Quote from: Azendac on November 16, 2016, 09:15:16 PMQuote from: MyNameIsCharlie on November 16, 2016, 08:55:38 PMQuote from: Azendac on November 16, 2016, 08:16:10 PMQuote from: MyNameIsCharlie on November 16, 2016, 08:08:28 PMYou realize that you are comparing being taught white guilt and an actual genocide. I just want to be clear about this. In your mind 6,000,000 deaths are exactly the same as you being told grandpa did some bad shit and you should feel guilty for it.No, I'm comparing being told to feel guilty about something my family/ancestors never participated in, to being told to ignore all evidence, because a group of people are being paranoid about something my family never participated in. I come from a long line of bumfuck poor Irishmen (my grandfather actually compared living in poverty in Belfast to being like a Jew in Germany), and since we weren't involved in the IRA or either war, we've never done anything to feel guilty over.So tell me, why should I ditch the facts I presented earlier?I'm not telling you to feel guilty about anything. I am saying that Trump did use language that was similar to Hitler's. I am saying that when ANYONE uses racially incendiary language in a populist movement, everyone should take note and caution. History tends to repeat itself when people don't take note of the lessons.I'll give you that anyone promising to solve your problems with a simple solution should be held to a high level of scrutiny, but Hitler comparisons are a dead horse. Nothing devalues an idea more than crying wolf about it, just look at how impotent Christianity has become in the modern world.And? Trump ran his campaign based in populism. He demonized Muslims and Mexicans, while promising to re empower the working class in white areas. His message was received this way by nearly every white supremacist group. That's why they all endorsed him. Am I saying he is Hitler? No. Am I saying that his behavior thus far is reason for one of the few groups in human history to be on the receiving end of a genocide to be concerned? Absolutely
Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on November 16, 2016, 08:55:38 PMQuote from: Azendac on November 16, 2016, 08:16:10 PMQuote from: MyNameIsCharlie on November 16, 2016, 08:08:28 PMYou realize that you are comparing being taught white guilt and an actual genocide. I just want to be clear about this. In your mind 6,000,000 deaths are exactly the same as you being told grandpa did some bad shit and you should feel guilty for it.No, I'm comparing being told to feel guilty about something my family/ancestors never participated in, to being told to ignore all evidence, because a group of people are being paranoid about something my family never participated in. I come from a long line of bumfuck poor Irishmen (my grandfather actually compared living in poverty in Belfast to being like a Jew in Germany), and since we weren't involved in the IRA or either war, we've never done anything to feel guilty over.So tell me, why should I ditch the facts I presented earlier?I'm not telling you to feel guilty about anything. I am saying that Trump did use language that was similar to Hitler's. I am saying that when ANYONE uses racially incendiary language in a populist movement, everyone should take note and caution. History tends to repeat itself when people don't take note of the lessons.I'll give you that anyone promising to solve your problems with a simple solution should be held to a high level of scrutiny, but Hitler comparisons are a dead horse. Nothing devalues an idea more than crying wolf about it, just look at how impotent Christianity has become in the modern world.
Quote from: Azendac on November 16, 2016, 08:16:10 PMQuote from: MyNameIsCharlie on November 16, 2016, 08:08:28 PMYou realize that you are comparing being taught white guilt and an actual genocide. I just want to be clear about this. In your mind 6,000,000 deaths are exactly the same as you being told grandpa did some bad shit and you should feel guilty for it.No, I'm comparing being told to feel guilty about something my family/ancestors never participated in, to being told to ignore all evidence, because a group of people are being paranoid about something my family never participated in. I come from a long line of bumfuck poor Irishmen (my grandfather actually compared living in poverty in Belfast to being like a Jew in Germany), and since we weren't involved in the IRA or either war, we've never done anything to feel guilty over.So tell me, why should I ditch the facts I presented earlier?I'm not telling you to feel guilty about anything. I am saying that Trump did use language that was similar to Hitler's. I am saying that when ANYONE uses racially incendiary language in a populist movement, everyone should take note and caution. History tends to repeat itself when people don't take note of the lessons.
Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on November 16, 2016, 08:08:28 PMYou realize that you are comparing being taught white guilt and an actual genocide. I just want to be clear about this. In your mind 6,000,000 deaths are exactly the same as you being told grandpa did some bad shit and you should feel guilty for it.No, I'm comparing being told to feel guilty about something my family/ancestors never participated in, to being told to ignore all evidence, because a group of people are being paranoid about something my family never participated in. I come from a long line of bumfuck poor Irishmen (my grandfather actually compared living in poverty in Belfast to being like a Jew in Germany), and since we weren't involved in the IRA or either war, we've never done anything to feel guilty over.So tell me, why should I ditch the facts I presented earlier?
You realize that you are comparing being taught white guilt and an actual genocide. I just want to be clear about this. In your mind 6,000,000 deaths are exactly the same as you being told grandpa did some bad shit and you should feel guilty for it.
Except I am not yelling holocaust, dummy. Several Jewish and Muslim groups are. I am saying that I understand.
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I would think modern history is still being taught. But maybe I am incorrect in this assumption. You see, a man a fee decades ago blamed all his country's problems on the Jews. He said they were a drain on society, taking jobs and money from "honest" workers, and that they were a threat. Things didn't end well for them.
Trump is bad because he minds me of Hitler, and we all know who did the holocaust
Quote from: Mordo on November 16, 2016, 08:16:17 PMYou guys still pulling the Hitler meme? You realise this Godwin's Law shit isn't sticking with Trump and his supporters, like at all.can we stop pretending "godwin's law" is even a real thingbecause it's not
You guys still pulling the Hitler meme? You realise this Godwin's Law shit isn't sticking with Trump and his supporters, like at all.
Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on November 16, 2016, 09:45:10 PMExcept I am not yelling holocaust, dummy. Several Jewish and Muslim groups are. I am saying that I understand.QuotedummyYouTube/memeAnyway that's a small difference given that you said this:QuoteI would think modern history is still being taught. But maybe I am incorrect in this assumption. You see, a man a fee decades ago blamed all his country's problems on the Jews. He said they were a drain on society, taking jobs and money from "honest" workers, and that they were a threat. Things didn't end well for them. Which does amount to saying:QuoteTrump is bad because he minds me of Hitler, and we all know who did the holocaustDespite my first serious post in this thread being evidence that Trump is quite fond of Jews.
Quote from: Verbatim on November 16, 2016, 08:26:40 PMQuote from: Mordo on November 16, 2016, 08:16:17 PMYou guys still pulling the Hitler meme? You realise this Godwin's Law shit isn't sticking with Trump and his supporters, like at all.can we stop pretending "godwin's law" is even a real thingbecause it's notcan we stop pretending you're a serious posterbecause you're not
And what have you gone on about? Hmm? Trump is ok because I was taught white guilt and my dad said Ireland was just as bad. I have maintained throughout my posts why these Jewish groups have a right to be concerned. That's it. Find a single instance that I say otherwise
Quote from: Azendac on November 16, 2016, 12:02:39 AMAnyway, on the campaign, Trump delivered a major speech for AIPAC, meanwhile in alt-right circles this image circulated pretty much the entire campaign, and let's not forget that Bibi is good friends with TrumpYouTubehttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3807203/Benjamin-Netanyahu-s-talk-Hillary-Clinton-lasted-HALF-long-visit-Donald-Trump.htmlThe only way you could say Trump is against Jewish interests is if you interpret his Florida speech in a particular way.
Anyway, on the campaign, Trump delivered a major speech for AIPAC, meanwhile in alt-right circles this image circulated pretty much the entire campaign, and let's not forget that Bibi is good friends with TrumpYouTubehttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3807203/Benjamin-Netanyahu-s-talk-Hillary-Clinton-lasted-HALF-long-visit-Donald-Trump.htmlThe only way you could say Trump is against Jewish interests is if you interpret his Florida speech in a particular way.
Trump is ok because I was taught white guilt and my dad said Ireland was just as bad.
Trump is bad because I was taught holocaust guilt and my Jews said Trump was just as bad as Hitler.
Quote from: Mordo on November 16, 2016, 09:57:51 PMQuote from: Verbatim on November 16, 2016, 08:26:40 PMQuote from: Mordo on November 16, 2016, 08:16:17 PMYou guys still pulling the Hitler meme? You realise this Godwin's Law shit isn't sticking with Trump and his supporters, like at all.can we stop pretending "godwin's law" is even a real thingbecause it's notcan we stop pretending you're a serious posterbecause you're not"you're not a serious poster unless you suck the trump cock like everybody else"
I take Icy seriously.I take LC seriously.I take Luci seriously.I take Kupo partially seriously.Mostly because they don't have a habit of nitpicking posts and condescending people like a contemptuous little weasel.
Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on November 16, 2016, 10:09:10 PMAnd what have you gone on about? Hmm? Trump is ok because I was taught white guilt and my dad said Ireland was just as bad. I have maintained throughout my posts why these Jewish groups have a right to be concerned. That's it. Find a single instance that I say otherwiseWhy are you deliberately ignoring the post I just mentioned:QuoteQuote from: Azendac on November 16, 2016, 12:02:39 AMAnyway, on the campaign, Trump delivered a major speech for AIPAC, meanwhile in alt-right circles this image circulated pretty much the entire campaign, and let's not forget that Bibi is good friends with TrumpYouTubehttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3807203/Benjamin-Netanyahu-s-talk-Hillary-Clinton-lasted-HALF-long-visit-Donald-Trump.htmlThe only way you could say Trump is against Jewish interests is if you interpret his Florida speech in a particular way.It's pretty weaselly for you to act like you're just impartially reporting on what those groups are saying, and then turn around and use their exact rhetoric against me when I prove evidence that they're being paranoid for no good reson. And I brought up my experience with history because you mentioned it yourself.Really, how is this:QuoteTrump is ok because I was taught white guilt and my dad said Ireland was just as bad. Any different from this:QuoteTrump is bad because I was taught holocaust guilt and my Jews said Trump was just as bad as Hitler. ?Because these are the arguments I'm critiquing.
And you still haven't addressed my argument directly. Do the Jews have a very real, and justified, genocide trigger? Yes. Are they justifiably concerned, given President Elect Trump's campaign rhetoric?Yes. Has my OP, and evey subsequent post, been from this point of view?Yes. This isn't about me, or even you. It's about their reaction to him. They're scared of him. Scared enough that many are burying a hatchet that's existed for generations. Why? He tied populism to race. That never ends well. Look, I'm enough of a American Exceptionalist that I still have hope we'll be the one and only country that proves the centuries old trend wrong. But I will not say the one group that's alive today that received the shit end of the stick is unjustified in their paranoia. Good day sir
You still don't get it. You aren't trying to prove me wrong. You're trying to prove them wrong. And you can't. Trump scares them. Enough that they are partnering with Muslims. You keep trying to keep the focus on us. That isn't where this fight is.
Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on November 17, 2016, 12:58:11 AMYou still don't get it. You aren't trying to prove me wrong. You're trying to prove them wrong. And you can't. Trump scares them. Enough that they are partnering with Muslims. You keep trying to keep the focus on us. That isn't where this fight is.Honestly the real demographic that could have issues is Muslims. Today it surfaced the Trump camp is considering a Muslim Registry. Not to say their worry is misplaced in Trump, but I don't think it's the Jews that should be worried about him.
Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on November 17, 2016, 12:58:11 AMYou still don't get it. You aren't trying to prove me wrong. You're trying to prove them wrong. And you can't. Trump scares them. Enough that they are partnering with Muslims. You keep trying to keep the focus on us. That isn't where this fight is.My entire point is that is that anyone who says Trump is even vaguely like Hitler, be they Jewish or otherwise, is being delusional since all evidence points to him being a philosemite. Of course I'm going to be talking to you about this, you started the damn topic and keep replying to me. Now if the Jews are still scared after seeing this evidence then they are irrationally paranoid, I hate using the word to "irrational" to describe human behavior but in this case it fits; They may as well be saying that Benjamin Netanyahu himself is Hitler for supporting Trump, and that's completely retarded.
But Jews are ALWAYS anti ethnic cleansing.
luci's basically a trump supporter at this point but all right
Quote from: Verbatim on November 16, 2016, 10:39:15 PMluci's basically a trump supporter at this point but all right
When has a democrat protected Jews or Israel?
Quote from: Karjala takaisin on November 17, 2016, 03:59:17 PMWhen has a democrat protected Jews or Israel?Please tell me this was just a brain fart. Umm... WWII?
Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on November 17, 2016, 04:10:27 PMQuote from: Karjala takaisin on November 17, 2016, 03:59:17 PMWhen has a democrat protected Jews or Israel?Please tell me this was just a brain fart. Umm... WWII?it wasn't until '44 that FDR stopped turning away Jewish refugees, previously stating that they were a danger to the state. I'm almost certain that I can say that stopping the Holocaust was at the very bottom of all US priorities during the second war.
One good thing about Trump
