On "Free" Community College

>yfw obama says no new taxes bs
>yfw obama wants to protect middle class
>yfw obama makes free college
>yfw obama taxes middle class assets to pay for "free college"
>yfw retarded rhetoric is to save people money
>yfw people will now spend even more money to get a 4+ year degree to be attractive

>shitposting in Serious

>getting mad at the facts

Nah I just think it's funny you think we're going to take you seriously. Go ahead and prove these are facts and then I'll take you seriously. No retard sources either.

Stay mad

http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2012/07/19/obama-promised-he-wouldnt-raise-taxes-on-the-middle-class-he-lied/
http://www.npr.org/2015/01/20/378680818/transcript-president-obamas-state-of-the-union-address
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/01/27/obamas-529-plan-would-change-how-families-save-for-college
http://trends.collegeboard.org/college-pricing/figures-tables/average-published-undergraduate-charges-sector-2014-15
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/05/30/5-facts-about-todays-college-graduates/

"But as the Supreme Court has now authoritatively ruled, the Obamacare individual mandate, requiring workers to purchase the health insurance the government specifies each family must buy, is a tax.  And that tax applies to the middle class and working people." Health insurance is a tax? LOL DROPPED

I've watched the State of the Union. Not sure why you linked me the script.

"Obama has focused on taxing 529 plans because a large number of families that use them are relatively high-income. Wealthier families benefit disproportionally from the current tax-free status of these plans, since they would pay a higher marginal tax rate if the plans were taxed like income." What's the problem?

Nothing correlates with Obama's plan here. These are pretty long term trends we're seeing here and have not been influenced by something Obama has said recently.

And your last link has absolutely nothing to do with Obama's plan.

Where exactly was your argument there? This is just embarrassing.

It is a tax

tax
taks/Submit
noun
1.
a compulsory contribution to state revenue, levied by the government on workers' income and business profits or added to the cost of some goods, services, and transactions.

You have to buy insurance or face consequences; it's compulsory

So you're aware in his address that he mentions protecting the middle class?

It does correlate. In order to pay for "free" college (nothing is ever free), he's going to tax a program used predominately by middle class families and tax it........when he said he was going to protect the middle class. If you don't see ANYTHING wrong about that then I don't know what else to say

My last link compares the cost of a 2-year degree to a 4-year degree, where a semester at a 4-year degree is more expensive than a 2-year degree. More people with a 2-year degree means having to get a 4-year or higher degree which costs more money, a fact that makes the entire plan redundant

This is embarrassing? Showing how this plan is a big joke is embarrassing? Why am I not surprised by your words?

It's insurance. Not a tax.

3% of families (they're mostly high income families) use the 529. The middle class isn't being screwed.

The point is educating people more. America is severely behind in education.  A 2 year government/tax funded degree is better than nothing.

Yes. Embarrassing. You have no argument.

Bruh, did you even read the definition of a tax? If it's an insurance, then I should have the right to pick out my own plan with my own doctor, not having some person tell me what to do with my body......wait, that argument sounds VERY familiar used by a certain American party with a donkey, hmmmmm?

No, families that use the plan are mostly middle-class. They're being screwed. Stop sticking up for the crook, please

Then improve the public school system. You're not benefiting anybody when you're spending government money and nothing comes out of it because the laws of supply and demand say when you have too much of one thing (this case a college degree) then it's value decrease dramatically, forcing people to spend their own money in order to be attractive to prospective employers.

No, I do have an argument. You just refuse to be open-minded to a person that disagrees with you and instead say something is embarrassing

Seriously, you're taking a non issue, twisting the facts, and then blaming it all on Obama because... he's black?....Some kid going to school to be a cop with an irrational hatred for the Democratic Party and Obama isn't going to trick me.

This is where I have a problem. I don't care what as to the rest you said, because it's an opinion that has no meaning to me. But this, this is complete bullshit. I'm not twisting the facts, I've posted credible links that show the truth. You're the one down-playing the facts. Even more pathetic is that you play the race card because of your close-mindedness. News Flash: Obama is just as white as he is black. You seriously need some help if you think this way and want to become a member to society. Just because I disagree greatly with my former associating party and former favorite president, that doesn't mean I have an irrational hate

then I should have the right to pick out my own plan with my own doctor,

You do. I have my own plan with my own doctor.

*Aside from the fact thousands have lost their doctors and/or plans and certain plans are ineligible

A LOT OF THESE SAME PEOPLE HAVE REFUSED TO EVEN GO ON THE OBAMACARE WEB PAGE

Wrong.....Seeing as how insurance is now required, people can't go without it. Continue to support a policy that destroys the foundations of free will and Capitalism

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>yfw obama says no new taxes bs
>yfw obama wants to protect middle class
>yfw obama makes free college
>yfw obama taxes middle class assets to pay for "free college"
>yfw retarded rhetoric is to save people money
>yfw people will now spend even more money to get a 4+ year degree to be attractive

>shitposting in Serious

>getting mad at the facts

Nah I just think it's funny you think we're going to take you seriously. Go ahead and prove these are facts and then I'll take you seriously. No retard sources either.

Stay mad

http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2012/07/19/obama-promised-he-wouldnt-raise-taxes-on-the-middle-class-he-lied/
http://www.npr.org/2015/01/20/378680818/transcript-president-obamas-state-of-the-union-address
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/01/27/obamas-529-plan-would-change-how-families-save-for-college
http://trends.collegeboard.org/college-pricing/figures-tables/average-published-undergraduate-charges-sector-2014-15
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/05/30/5-facts-about-todays-college-graduates/

"But as the Supreme Court has now authoritatively ruled, the Obamacare individual mandate, requiring workers to purchase the health insurance the government specifies each family must buy, is a tax.  And that tax applies to the middle class and working people." Health insurance is a tax? LOL DROPPED

I've watched the State of the Union. Not sure why you linked me the script.

"Obama has focused on taxing 529 plans because a large number of families that use them are relatively high-income. Wealthier families benefit disproportionally from the current tax-free status of these plans, since they would pay a higher marginal tax rate if the plans were taxed like income." What's the problem?

Nothing correlates with Obama's plan here. These are pretty long term trends we're seeing here and have not been influenced by something Obama has said recently.

And your last link has absolutely nothing to do with Obama's plan.

Where exactly was your argument there? This is just embarrassing.

It is a tax

tax
taks/Submit
noun
1.
a compulsory contribution to state revenue, levied by the government on workers' income and business profits or added to the cost of some goods, services, and transactions.

You have to buy insurance or face consequences; it's compulsory

So you're aware in his address that he mentions protecting the middle class?

It does correlate. In order to pay for "free" college (nothing is ever free), he's going to tax a program used predominately by middle class families and tax it........when he said he was going to protect the middle class. If you don't see ANYTHING wrong about that then I don't know what else to say

My last link compares the cost of a 2-year degree to a 4-year degree, where a semester at a 4-year degree is more expensive than a 2-year degree. More people with a 2-year degree means having to get a 4-year or higher degree which costs more money, a fact that makes the entire plan redundant

This is embarrassing? Showing how this plan is a big joke is embarrassing? Why am I not surprised by your words?

It's insurance. Not a tax.

3% of families (they're mostly high income families) use the 529. The middle class isn't being screwed.

The point is educating people more. America is severely behind in education.  A 2 year government/tax funded degree is better than nothing.

Yes. Embarrassing. You have no argument.

Bruh, did you even read the definition of a tax? If it's an insurance, then I should have the right to pick out my own plan with my own doctor, not having some person tell me what to do with my body......wait, that argument sounds VERY familiar used by a certain American party with a donkey, hmmmmm?

No, families that use the plan are mostly middle-class. They're being screwed. Stop sticking up for the crook, please

Then improve the public school system. You're not benefiting anybody when you're spending government money and nothing comes out of it because the laws of supply and demand say when you have too much of one thing (this case a college degree) then it's value decrease dramatically, forcing people to spend their own money in order to be attractive to prospective employers.

No, I do have an argument. You just refuse to be open-minded to a person that disagrees with you and instead say something is embarrassing

Seriously, you're taking a non issue, twisting the facts, and then blaming it all on Obama because... he's black?

This is where I have a problem. I don't care what as to the rest you said, because it's an opinion that has no meaning to me. But this, this is complete bullshit. I'm not twisting the facts, I've posted credible links that show the truth. You're the one down-playing the facts. Even more pathetic is that you play the race card because of your close-mindedness. News Flash: Obama is just as white as he is black. You seriously need some help if you think this way and want to become a member to society

>strawmanning the half joke part of my post because you don't have a fucking leg to stand on
>mfw gunning down your "sources" which prove there is no correlation between Obama's plan and the degree issue

Oh my God, it's like talking with a 6 year old, with you being the 6 year old

I'm not strawmanning. I'm stating how wrong you are. Do you even know what a strawman is?

Uh, you didn't gun down anything. You're just embarrassing yourself for ignoring somebody showing you how wrong you are. If you can't use simple cognitive ability to understand that a program used by the middle-class to tax something is going against the idea of protecting the middle-class, there is no hope for you. If you can't understand the laws of supply and demand, there is no hope for you. If you can't understand a 4-year degree costs more than a 2-year degree, there is no hope for you

But you are right about one thing: Our education sucks and you're the poster child of it due to your inability of linking simple facts together

then I should have the right to pick out my own plan with my own doctor,

You do. I have my own plan with my own doctor.

*Aside from the fact thousands have lost their doctors and/or plans and certain plans are ineligible

-snip-

Wrong.....Seeing as how insurance is now required, people can't go without it. Continue to support a policy that destroys the foundations of free will and Capitalism

Continue to buy into Republican fear mongering and propaganda.

Continue to think I'm a Republican

Obama is just as white as he is black.

Absolutely this.

The guy's fucking half-caste, not black.

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Alrighty, so serious just got restored. What I'd really like to see is for this to remain cordial and a proper discussion. So let me put it like this, the next post ITT to have some kind of retarded personal attack in it is getting rochambeau'd so hard you'll think you just had reassignment surgery.

So let me put it like this, the next post ITT to have some kind of retarded personal attack in it is getting rochambeau'd so hard you'll think you just had reassignment surgery.

Fuck IcyWind.

OT: There are multiple issues regarding colleges in America that need to be addressed - the shitty student loan policy being key.

Obama is just as white as he is black.

Absolutely this.

The guy's fucking half-caste, not black.

He's predominantly black.

How does that work?

He has one black parent, one white.

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Obama is just as white as he is black.

Absolutely this.

The guy's fucking half-caste, not black.

He's predominantly black.

How does that work?

He has one black parent, one white.

Challenger is actually technically right. Obama's white mom actually has a distant black relative, believe it or not.

Distant being the key word.

The guy is, for as much as it matters, biracial. I think we have a higher degree of sensitivity to biraciality in England--or so I've heard--but I really don't see where this idea of Obama being the first 'black' president.

He isn't. Show me a president with two black parents--that's a black president.

Not that his race should fucking matter in the first instance.

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To be fair, Obama does seem to identify more with black culture. Whether that is genuine or in order to cement his almost complete support among black voters, I can't say, though.

He's a politician; it isn't genuine.

Kinder is retarded but holy shit Max and Challenger it's not your job to defend an idea that is brutally retarded like this one is.

But I do actually like the ACA, for the most part. It's a step in the right direction.

What we had before was broken. This is less broken.

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This is less broken.

Yet more broken than it really ought to be.

Kinder is retarded but holy shit Max and Challenger it's not your job to defend an idea that is brutally retarded like this one is.

But I do actually like the ACA, for the most part. It's a step in the right direction.

What we had before was broken. This is less broken.

Why do most economists disagree with that though?

So because "economists disagree" means I can't like it? My support of the ACA has nothing to do with economic factors.

My support of the ACA has nothing to do with economic factors.

I'm curious as to on what basis healthcare initiatives enjoy your support then.

Economics is the main determining factor of the success of a policy.

My support of the ACA has nothing to do with economic factors.

I'm curious as to on what basis healthcare initiatives enjoy your support then.

Economics is the main determining factor of the success of a policy.

I support the ACA for a number of reasons:

- You can no longer be denied based on previous conditions
- Expanded mental health coverage
- You can be on your parents' coverage until you're 26
- Raised the minimum to qualify for Medicaid if you can't afford your own insurance

I'm sure there's some other major points I'm missing.

But this has nothing to do with how successful the policy is. Just that I support it.

This is less broken.

Yet more broken than it really ought to be.

Yes, but fewer people are getting fucked over than before, so that's a good thing.

This is less broken.

Yet more broken than it really ought to be.

Yes, but fewer people are getting fucked over than before, so that's a good thing.

At the price of proper reform.

It's, fundamentally, a step in the wrong direction when it comes to healthcare reform. It may be good in the short- to medium-term, but all you're doing is kicking the problem down the line.

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So in your opinion, is healthcare a problem that needs to be solved by a change in policy or by waiting for technology to make healthcare more accessible?

For America? Policy. The market is heavily restricted.

This is less broken.

Yet more broken than it really ought to be.

Yes, but fewer people are getting fucked over than before, so that's a good thing.

At the price of proper reform.

It's, fundamentally, a step in the wrong direction when it comes to healthcare reform. It may be good in the short- to medium-term, but all you're doing is kicking the problem down the line.

So in your opinion, is healthcare a problem that needs to be solved by a change in policy or by waiting for technology to make healthcare more accessible?

Well, for starters, what we need to do is stop calling them the same thing. Health insurance is not the same thing as the technology and medicine we posses to treat people.

We have great doctors, technology, and medicine. What we don't have is a good way for people to get the treatment they need without incurring substantial debt. People are scared to go to the doctor because of the cost. It shouldn't be that way.

Obama is just as white as he is black.

Absolutely this.

The guy's fucking half-caste, not black.

He's predominantly black.

Bro, Obama is way more white than he is black.

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