On "Free" Community College

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Credential inflation is a huge problem.

I too like Molyneux, at least when he isn't talking economics.

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Credential inflation is a huge problem.

I too like Molyneux, at least when he isn't talking economics.

Is that the same guy you were going a counter argument video towards?

Yeah, I need to get round to that sometime.

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Why would he want free community college?

He doesn't.

This is one of Stefan's better videos, I think. He tends to hit the mark when it comes to education; he has a brilliant video on how the education system in Europe contributed to the First World War.

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the education system in Europe contributed to the First World War.

u w0t m8

State control of the schools following the Napoleonic Wars in Britain contributed to this pervasive attitude of loyalty to Kingdom and God, as well as the instruction of a 'martial character' in the students. This was mainly for the middle-classes who would form the bulk of the officers and the NCOs, and something like just one-in-eight of Britain's university graduates lived to see the end of the war because so many of them had signed up in a nationalistic fervour.

And, in other parts of Europe of course, you had things like Bismarck's expansion of the State as well as the development of the Prussian factory school system et cetera.

It's been a while; I should re-watch the video.

the education system in Europe contributed to the First World War.

u w0t m8

If you look in to the war's history beyond "serbs dun killed di prince nigga" you'll find a lot of contributing factors, the education system being one of them.

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>yfw obama says no new taxes bs
>yfw obama wants to protect middle class
>yfw obama makes free college
>yfw obama taxes middle class assets to pay for "free college"
>yfw retarded rhetoric is to save people money
>yfw people will now spend even more money to get a 4+ year degree to be attractive

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>yfw obama says no new taxes bs
>yfw obama wants to protect middle class
>yfw obama makes free college
>yfw obama taxes middle class assets to pay for "free college"
>yfw retarded rhetoric is to save people money
>yfw people will now spend even more money to get a 4+ year degree to be attractive

>shitposting in Serious

>getting mad at the facts

>yfw people will now spend even more money to get a 4+ year degree to be attractive

I don't see how this makes 4-year degrees more expensive.

>yfw people will now spend even more money to get a 4+ year degree to be attractive

I don't see how this makes 4-year degrees more expensive.

Community college is typically less than $10,000 a semester

A semester at a 4-year institute costs over $15,000

More people having a 2-year degree dilutes the pool

Dilution means people will have to stand out to get a higher degree

A higher degree costs far more than a 2-year degree

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>yfw people will now spend even more money to get a 4+ year degree to be attractive

I don't see how this makes 4-year degrees more expensive.

Supply and demand. You have more kids trying to apply for college and they'll raise the standards.

*prices

Standards will drop.

>yfw obama says no new taxes bs
>yfw obama wants to protect middle class
>yfw obama makes free college
>yfw obama taxes middle class assets to pay for "free college"
>yfw retarded rhetoric is to save people money
>yfw people will now spend even more money to get a 4+ year degree to be attractive

>shitposting in Serious

>getting mad at the facts

Nah I just think it's funny you think we're going to take you seriously. Go ahead and prove these are facts and then I'll take you seriously. No retard sources either.

Stay mad

http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2012/07/19/obama-promised-he-wouldnt-raise-taxes-on-the-middle-class-he-lied/
http://www.npr.org/2015/01/20/378680818/transcript-president-obamas-state-of-the-union-address
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/01/27/obamas-529-plan-would-change-how-families-save-for-college
http://trends.collegeboard.org/college-pricing/figures-tables/average-published-undergraduate-charges-sector-2014-15
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/05/30/5-facts-about-todays-college-graduates/

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>yfw obama says no new taxes bs
>yfw obama wants to protect middle class
>yfw obama makes free college
>yfw obama taxes middle class assets to pay for "free college"
>yfw retarded rhetoric is to save people money
>yfw people will now spend even more money to get a 4+ year degree to be attractive

>shitposting in Serious

>getting mad at the facts

Nah I just think it's funny you think we're going to take you seriously. Go ahead and prove these are facts and then I'll take you seriously. No retard sources either.

Stay mad

http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2012/07/19/obama-promised-he-wouldnt-raise-taxes-on-the-middle-class-he-lied/
http://www.npr.org/2015/01/20/378680818/transcript-president-obamas-state-of-the-union-address
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/01/27/obamas-529-plan-would-change-how-families-save-for-college
http://trends.collegeboard.org/college-pricing/figures-tables/average-published-undergraduate-charges-sector-2014-15
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/05/30/5-facts-about-todays-college-graduates/

"But as the Supreme Court has now authoritatively ruled, the Obamacare individual mandate, requiring workers to purchase the health insurance the government specifies each family must buy, is a tax.  And that tax applies to the middle class and working people." Health insurance is a tax? LOL DROPPED

I've watched the State of the Union. Not sure why you linked me the script.

"Obama has focused on taxing 529 plans because a large number of families that use them are relatively high-income. Wealthier families benefit disproportionally from the current tax-free status of these plans, since they would pay a higher marginal tax rate if the plans were taxed like income." What's the problem?

Nothing correlates with Obama's plan here. These are pretty long term trends we're seeing here and have not been influenced by something Obama has said recently.

And your last link has absolutely nothing to do with Obama's plan.

Where exactly was your argument there? This is just embarrassing.

But...mad.

>yfw obama says no new taxes bs
>yfw obama wants to protect middle class
>yfw obama makes free college
>yfw obama taxes middle class assets to pay for "free college"
>yfw retarded rhetoric is to save people money
>yfw people will now spend even more money to get a 4+ year degree to be attractive

>shitposting in Serious

>getting mad at the facts

Nah I just think it's funny you think we're going to take you seriously. Go ahead and prove these are facts and then I'll take you seriously. No retard sources either.

Stay mad

http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2012/07/19/obama-promised-he-wouldnt-raise-taxes-on-the-middle-class-he-lied/
http://www.npr.org/2015/01/20/378680818/transcript-president-obamas-state-of-the-union-address
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/01/27/obamas-529-plan-would-change-how-families-save-for-college
http://trends.collegeboard.org/college-pricing/figures-tables/average-published-undergraduate-charges-sector-2014-15
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/05/30/5-facts-about-todays-college-graduates/

"But as the Supreme Court has now authoritatively ruled, the Obamacare individual mandate, requiring workers to purchase the health insurance the government specifies each family must buy, is a tax.  And that tax applies to the middle class and working people." Health insurance is a tax? LOL DROPPED

I've watched the State of the Union. Not sure why you linked me the script.

"Obama has focused on taxing 529 plans because a large number of families that use them are relatively high-income. Wealthier families benefit disproportionally from the current tax-free status of these plans, since they would pay a higher marginal tax rate if the plans were taxed like income." What's the problem?

Nothing correlates with Obama's plan here. These are pretty long term trends we're seeing here and have not been influenced by something Obama has said recently.

And your last link has absolutely nothing to do with Obama's plan.

Where exactly was your argument there? This is just embarrassing.

It is a tax

tax
taks/Submit
noun
1.
a compulsory contribution to state revenue, levied by the government on workers' income and business profits or added to the cost of some goods, services, and transactions.

You have to buy insurance or face consequences; it's compulsory

So you're aware in his address that he mentions protecting the middle class?

It does correlate. In order to pay for "free" college (nothing is ever free), he's going to tax a program used predominately by middle class families and tax it........when he said he was going to protect the middle class. If you don't see ANYTHING wrong about that then I don't know what else to say

My last link compares the cost of a 2-year degree to a 4-year degree, where a semester at a 4-year degree is more expensive than a 2-year degree. More people with a 2-year degree means having to get a 4-year or higher degree which costs more money, a fact that makes the entire plan redundant

This is embarrassing? Showing how this plan is a big joke is embarrassing? Why am I not surprised by your words?

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>yfw obama says no new taxes bs
>yfw obama wants to protect middle class
>yfw obama makes free college
>yfw obama taxes middle class assets to pay for "free college"
>yfw retarded rhetoric is to save people money
>yfw people will now spend even more money to get a 4+ year degree to be attractive

>shitposting in Serious

>getting mad at the facts

Nah I just think it's funny you think we're going to take you seriously. Go ahead and prove these are facts and then I'll take you seriously. No retard sources either.

Stay mad

http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2012/07/19/obama-promised-he-wouldnt-raise-taxes-on-the-middle-class-he-lied/
http://www.npr.org/2015/01/20/378680818/transcript-president-obamas-state-of-the-union-address
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/01/27/obamas-529-plan-would-change-how-families-save-for-college
http://trends.collegeboard.org/college-pricing/figures-tables/average-published-undergraduate-charges-sector-2014-15
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/05/30/5-facts-about-todays-college-graduates/

"But as the Supreme Court has now authoritatively ruled, the Obamacare individual mandate, requiring workers to purchase the health insurance the government specifies each family must buy, is a tax.  And that tax applies to the middle class and working people." Health insurance is a tax? LOL DROPPED

I've watched the State of the Union. Not sure why you linked me the script.

"Obama has focused on taxing 529 plans because a large number of families that use them are relatively high-income. Wealthier families benefit disproportionally from the current tax-free status of these plans, since they would pay a higher marginal tax rate if the plans were taxed like income." What's the problem?

Nothing correlates with Obama's plan here. These are pretty long term trends we're seeing here and have not been influenced by something Obama has said recently.

And your last link has absolutely nothing to do with Obama's plan.

Where exactly was your argument there? This is just embarrassing.

It is a tax

tax
taks/Submit
noun
1.
a compulsory contribution to state revenue, levied by the government on workers' income and business profits or added to the cost of some goods, services, and transactions.

You have to buy insurance or face consequences; it's compulsory

So you're aware in his address that he mentions protecting the middle class?

It does correlate. In order to pay for "free" college (nothing is ever free), he's going to tax a program used predominately by middle class families and tax it........when he said he was going to protect the middle class. If you don't see ANYTHING wrong about that then I don't know what else to say

My last link compares the cost of a 2-year degree to a 4-year degree, where a semester at a 4-year degree is more expensive than a 2-year degree. More people with a 2-year degree means having to get a 4-year or higher degree which costs more money, a fact that makes the entire plan redundant

This is embarrassing? Showing how this plan is a big joke is embarrassing? Why am I not surprised by your words?

It's insurance. Not a tax.

3% of families (they're mostly high income families) use the 529. The middle class isn't being screwed.

The point is educating people more. America is severely behind in education.  A 2 year government/tax funded degree is better than nothing.

Yes. Embarrassing. You have no argument.

Bruh, did you even read the definition of a tax? If it's an insurance, then I should have the right to pick out my own plan with my own doctor, not having some person tell me what to do with my body......wait, that argument sounds VERY familiar used by a certain American party with a donkey, hmmmmm?

No, families that use the plan are mostly middle-class. They're being screwed. Stop sticking up for the crook, please

Then improve the public school system. You're not benefiting anybody when you're spending government money and nothing comes out of it because the laws of supply and demand say when you have too much of one thing (this case a college degree) then it's value decrease dramatically, forcing people to spend their own money in order to be attractive to prospective employers.

No, I do have an argument. You just refuse to be open-minded to a person that disagrees with you and instead say something is embarrassing

then I should have the right to pick out my own plan with my own doctor,

You do. I have my own plan with my own doctor.

then I should have the right to pick out my own plan with my own doctor,

You do. I have my own plan with my own doctor.

*Aside from the fact thousands have lost their doctors and/or plans and certain plans are ineligible

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