Obama to Propose 2 Years of Community School for 'Free'

Some degrees are in demand and some aren't.

That's exactly the problem--the government is propping up a scheme whereby un-demanded qualifications will become artificially demanded because the price mechanism has been turned on its head.

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Price mechanisms?

The supply-demand interaction which gives something its price.

If government subsidies somehow reduce or take away the price of something, it'll pretty much undoubtedly cause over-consumption and over-production.

Taxes are near a historic low.

They're still too high.

So what are we going to cut? Social security and welfare programs? Military spending? Foreign aid, perhaps?

So what are we going to cut? Social security and welfare programs? Military spending? Foreign aid, perhaps?

All of those should probably suffer some restructuring and some cuts.

So what are we going to cut? Social security and welfare programs? Military spending? Foreign aid, perhaps?

All of those should probably suffer some restructuring and some cuts.

I'm sure they could. But that should happen before we cut taxes.

College is shit in Georgia unless you go somewhere ritzy. I'll pass.

My biggest gripe is that this move is another step towards making college essential education and ruining the value of a diploma.

The value of a diploma is already ruined when this country values who can throw a football the furthest rather than who has the best grades. And when this country puts more money into the military than education. 

FYI to get a good job anywhere you already need a degree of some sort. It's not going to devalue the diploma any more than it already is. Plus that implies that everyone passes and gets it.

What exactly is wrong with having more educated people anyway?

Football abilities are valued because not everyone can go out on the field and throw accurately 40 yards downfield.

Any asshole can get good grades.

What exactly is wrong with having more educated people anyway?

Part of the devaluation process isn't just people having more of a certain qualification, but it's the strain placed on educational infrastructure--it essentially turns it into a continuation of mass-schooling.

What really needs to be done is an improvement of primary and secondary education.

What exactly is wrong with having more educated people anyway?

Part of the devaluation process isn't just people having more of a certain qualification, but it's the strain placed on educational infrastructure--it essentially turns it into a continuation of mass-schooling.

What really needs to be done is an improvement of primary and secondary education.

I agree with that last part but I still see nothing wrong with more people having a higher level of education.

Football abilities are valued because not everyone can go out on the field and throw accurately 40 yards downfield.

Which is going to advanced society how? Last time I checked someone throwing a football didn't invent that device you used to post that post with. 

Any asshole can get good grades.

And any asshole can throw a football. It doesn't matter how far you throw it. It's still something anyone with the motor functions can do. It's nothing special. Not everybody is going to be able to do complex math without using a calculator. So tell me. Is someone with down syndrome going to be the top of their class grade wise with the normal students?

What exactly is wrong with having more educated people anyway?

Part of the devaluation process isn't just people having more of a certain qualification, but it's the strain placed on educational infrastructure--it essentially turns it into a continuation of mass-schooling.

What really needs to be done is an improvement of primary and secondary education.

I agree with that last part but I still see nothing wrong with more people having a higher level of education.

Because the world needs more landscapers and culinary professionals with degrees in medicine and mechanical engineering.

What exactly is wrong with having more educated people anyway?

Part of the devaluation process isn't just people having more of a certain qualification, but it's the strain placed on educational infrastructure--it essentially turns it into a continuation of mass-schooling.

What really needs to be done is an improvement of primary and secondary education.

I agree with that last part but I still see nothing wrong with more people having a higher level of education.

Scarcity matters.

If more people have a masters degree, it becomes worth less. That's true in any sort of situation in which the supply of something goes up. We need to have higher levels of education as we get more and more information--of course--but we ought to do it in a way of occasionally restructuring all levels of education. Just pushing more and more people into university delays dealing with the problem and allows it to saturate and get worse and worse.

It makes me happy when I feel exactly the same as Meta so he can swoop in and explain it in a much better way.

What exactly is wrong with having more educated people anyway?

Part of the devaluation process isn't just people having more of a certain qualification, but it's the strain placed on educational infrastructure--it essentially turns it into a continuation of mass-schooling.

What really needs to be done is an improvement of primary and secondary education.

I agree with that last part but I still see nothing wrong with more people having a higher level of education.

Scarcity matters.

If more people have a masters degree, it becomes worth less. That's true in any sort of situation in which the supply of something goes up. We need to have higher levels of education as we get more and more information--of course--but we ought to do it in a way of occasionally restructuring all levels of education. Just pushing more and more people into university delays dealing with the problem and allows it to saturate and get worse and worse.

A free two years at community isn't giving more people masters degrees. All it does is give more people a shot at an AA and a potential jump start towards a bachelors or even as you say, a masters.

So your point seems kind of moot.

So your point seems kind of moot.

I'm still holding out for the administration to provide more information, and I'm obviously not as knowledgeable as you about how community colleges work in the U.S.

My only point is that anything which artificially increases the supply of qualifications isn't good, and it isn't the right direction to be heading in.

So your point seems kind of moot.

I'm still holding out for the administration to provide more information, and I'm obviously not as knowledgeable as you about how community colleges work in the U.S.

My only point is that anything which artificially increases the supply of qualifications isn't good, and it isn't the right direction to be heading in.

The problem is that higher levels of education in this country are just way too expensive. It's grossly bloated and disfigured beyond belief. There's a reason why one of the biggest chunks of debt this this country is largely attributed to debt from student loans- because anyone that doesn't come from a wealthy family (or was lucky and got tons of scholarships to pay for everything) is going to get fucked in the ass on their quest for a degree.

Any financial relief towards education is always greatly appreciated. Ask any college student that struggling to pay both for themselves and their education.

In all reality is there any chance at all this will get passed?

Absolutely not. Republicans would never let something beneficial like this pass either the House or Senate.

We can't even get them in on a jobs bill for veterans they created.

Exactly how is degrading and watering down degrees beneficial? We already have a situation where current graduates have a hard time seeking a job, so the obvious decision is to add more fuel to this out of control fire. Now people will have to spend another 2-4 years getting a higher degree just to have a chance, which will cost well over $25,000 and creating even more debt issues.

Oh, and last I checked Democrats are refusing to sign the Keystone pipeline into effect which will create jobs and they passed ObamaCare which makes it more difficult for employers to hire

What exactly is wrong with having more educated people anyway?

Part of the devaluation process isn't just people having more of a certain qualification, but it's the strain placed on educational infrastructure--it essentially turns it into a continuation of mass-schooling.

What really needs to be done is an improvement of primary and secondary education.

I agree with that last part but I still see nothing wrong with more people having a higher level of education.

Scarcity matters.

If more people have a masters degree, it becomes worth less. That's true in any sort of situation in which the supply of something goes up. We need to have higher levels of education as we get more and more information--of course--but we ought to do it in a way of occasionally restructuring all levels of education. Just pushing more and more people into university delays dealing with the problem and allows it to saturate and get worse and worse.

A free two years at community isn't giving more people masters degrees. All it does is give more people a shot at an AA and a potential jump start towards a bachelors or even as you say, a masters.

So your point seems kind of moot.

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t04.htm

The labor participation among people with an AA is around the 64% mark. That means 36% of grads can't find a job right now. Put more people into the mix and that number will increase to the point people having to shell out over $25,000 in order to get 2-4 more years of college experience, vs. having to pay less than $10,000 for a community college

What exactly is wrong with having more educated people anyway?

Part of the devaluation process isn't just people having more of a certain qualification, but it's the strain placed on educational infrastructure--it essentially turns it into a continuation of mass-schooling.

What really needs to be done is an improvement of primary and secondary education.

I agree with that last part but I still see nothing wrong with more people having a higher level of education.

Scarcity matters.

If more people have a masters degree, it becomes worth less. That's true in any sort of situation in which the supply of something goes up. We need to have higher levels of education as we get more and more information--of course--but we ought to do it in a way of occasionally restructuring all levels of education. Just pushing more and more people into university delays dealing with the problem and allows it to saturate and get worse and worse.

A free two years at community isn't giving more people masters degrees. All it does is give more people a shot at an AA and a potential jump start towards a bachelors or even as you say, a masters.

So your point seems kind of moot.

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t04.htm

The labor participation among people with an AA is around the 64% mark. That means 36% of grads can't find a job right now. Put more people into the mix and that number will increase to the point people having to shell out over $25,000 in order to get 2-4 more years of college experience, vs. having to pay less than $10,000 for a community college

Or y'know.... make more jobs, rather than outsourcing shit overseas and blaming it on there being too many people with an education.

What exactly is wrong with having more educated people anyway?

Part of the devaluation process isn't just people having more of a certain qualification, but it's the strain placed on educational infrastructure--it essentially turns it into a continuation of mass-schooling.

What really needs to be done is an improvement of primary and secondary education.

I agree with that last part but I still see nothing wrong with more people having a higher level of education.

Scarcity matters.

If more people have a masters degree, it becomes worth less. That's true in any sort of situation in which the supply of something goes up. We need to have higher levels of education as we get more and more information--of course--but we ought to do it in a way of occasionally restructuring all levels of education. Just pushing more and more people into university delays dealing with the problem and allows it to saturate and get worse and worse.

A free two years at community isn't giving more people masters degrees. All it does is give more people a shot at an AA and a potential jump start towards a bachelors or even as you say, a masters.

So your point seems kind of moot.

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t04.htm

The labor participation among people with an AA is around the 64% mark. That means 36% of grads can't find a job right now. Put more people into the mix and that number will increase to the point people having to shell out over $25,000 in order to get 2-4 more years of college experience, vs. having to pay less than $10,000 for a community college

Or y'know.... make more jobs, rather than outsourcing shit overseas and blaming it on there being too many people with an education.

Sometime something "Free market"

FYI to get a good job anywhere you already need a degree of some sort. It's not going to devalue the diploma any more than it already is. Plus that implies that everyone passes and gets it.

What exactly is wrong with having more educated people anyway?

Yeah, you need a degree now because people keep pushing the idea that somehow to be successful, you need a piece of paper saying you were able to stay awake for a certain amount of hours. I would love it so damn much if we can go back a couple of decades where anybody could be middle-class, have a simple high school diploma, and be a manager at a department store or wherever

There's a difference between education and flooding the market 

What exactly is wrong with having more educated people anyway?

Part of the devaluation process isn't just people having more of a certain qualification, but it's the strain placed on educational infrastructure--it essentially turns it into a continuation of mass-schooling.

What really needs to be done is an improvement of primary and secondary education.

I agree with that last part but I still see nothing wrong with more people having a higher level of education.

Scarcity matters.

If more people have a masters degree, it becomes worth less. That's true in any sort of situation in which the supply of something goes up. We need to have higher levels of education as we get more and more information--of course--but we ought to do it in a way of occasionally restructuring all levels of education. Just pushing more and more people into university delays dealing with the problem and allows it to saturate and get worse and worse.

A free two years at community isn't giving more people masters degrees. All it does is give more people a shot at an AA and a potential jump start towards a bachelors or even as you say, a masters.

So your point seems kind of moot.

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t04.htm

The labor participation among people with an AA is around the 64% mark. That means 36% of grads can't find a job right now. Put more people into the mix and that number will increase to the point people having to shell out over $25,000 in order to get 2-4 more years of college experience, vs. having to pay less than $10,000 for a community college

Or y'know.... make more jobs, rather than outsourcing shit overseas and blaming it on there being too many people with an education.

Sometime something "Free market"

something something kinder's gonna try to debate me now

I would love it so damn much if we can go back a couple of decades where anybody could be middle-class, have a simple high school diploma, and be a manager at a department store or wherever

People back then also weren't nearly as educated. But sure, go ahead and travel back in time. I'm sure you'd fit in perfectly.

FYI to get a good job anywhere you already need a degree of some sort. It's not going to devalue the diploma any more than it already is. Plus that implies that everyone passes and gets it.

What exactly is wrong with having more educated people anyway?

Yeah, you need a degree now because people keep pushing the idea that somehow to be successful, you need a piece of paper saying you were able to stay awake for a certain amount of hours. I would love it so damn much if we can go back a couple of decades where anybody could be middle-class, have a simple high school diploma, and be a manager at a department store or wherever

> Manager at a department store

We're really reaching for some careers here.

What exactly is wrong with having more educated people anyway?

Part of the devaluation process isn't just people having more of a certain qualification, but it's the strain placed on educational infrastructure--it essentially turns it into a continuation of mass-schooling.

What really needs to be done is an improvement of primary and secondary education.

I agree with that last part but I still see nothing wrong with more people having a higher level of education.

Scarcity matters.

If more people have a masters degree, it becomes worth less. That's true in any sort of situation in which the supply of something goes up. We need to have higher levels of education as we get more and more information--of course--but we ought to do it in a way of occasionally restructuring all levels of education. Just pushing more and more people into university delays dealing with the problem and allows it to saturate and get worse and worse.

A free two years at community isn't giving more people masters degrees. All it does is give more people a shot at an AA and a potential jump start towards a bachelors or even as you say, a masters.

So your point seems kind of moot.

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t04.htm

The labor participation among people with an AA is around the 64% mark. That means 36% of grads can't find a job right now. Put more people into the mix and that number will increase to the point people having to shell out over $25,000 in order to get 2-4 more years of college experience, vs. having to pay less than $10,000 for a community college

Or y'know.... make more jobs, rather than outsourcing shit overseas and blaming it on there being too many people with an education.

We would all love to see jobs brought back to America, but many of them that are outsource require no degree in the first place so it's redundant to have a degree in order to take phone calls at a office. On top of that, what do incentives do we even give companies in the first place? Because raising taxes to pay for this idea isn't helping one single bit

I would love it so damn much if we can go back a couple of decades where anybody could be middle-class, have a simple high school diploma, and be a manager at a department store or wherever

People back then also weren't nearly as educated. But sure, go ahead and travel back in time. I'm sure you'd fit in perfectly.

Yep, just 20 years ago people were running around in nothing but a loin cloth and throwing rocks at animals to see what would be a better tool for hunting. Seriously, would it be any harm for you to think for once? If anybody would fit perfectly with cavemen it would be you

What exactly is wrong with having more educated people anyway?

Part of the devaluation process isn't just people having more of a certain qualification, but it's the strain placed on educational infrastructure--it essentially turns it into a continuation of mass-schooling.

What really needs to be done is an improvement of primary and secondary education.

I agree with that last part but I still see nothing wrong with more people having a higher level of education.

Scarcity matters.

If more people have a masters degree, it becomes worth less. That's true in any sort of situation in which the supply of something goes up. We need to have higher levels of education as we get more and more information--of course--but we ought to do it in a way of occasionally restructuring all levels of education. Just pushing more and more people into university delays dealing with the problem and allows it to saturate and get worse and worse.

A free two years at community isn't giving more people masters degrees. All it does is give more people a shot at an AA and a potential jump start towards a bachelors or even as you say, a masters.

So your point seems kind of moot.

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t04.htm

The labor participation among people with an AA is around the 64% mark. That means 36% of grads can't find a job right now. Put more people into the mix and that number will increase to the point people having to shell out over $25,000 in order to get 2-4 more years of college experience, vs. having to pay less than $10,000 for a community college

Or y'know.... make more jobs, rather than outsourcing shit overseas and blaming it on there being too many people with an education.

We would all love to see jobs brought back to America, but many of them that are outsource require no degree in the first place so it's redundant to have a degree in order to take phone calls at a office. On top of that, what do incentives do we even give companies in the first place? Because raising taxes to pay for this idea isn't helping one single bit

Oh boy. Take a moment to untwist your panties, m'kay? Just because you're giving people the opportunity towards 2 years at a community...that doesn't mean that they're actually gonna take it. If you don't have the grades in high school you're not going to make it to college anyway. What's 2 years gonna get you anyway? An associates? Okay, big deal. I mean, some people don't even get their associates completely done in 2 years anyway.

Why the fuck is more people with associates degrees bad anyways? All it means is that they're a bit more specialized towards a certain line of work, but uh...associates degrees now don't get you all that far anyway. The bottom line though, is that it might help you get your foot in the door for something better than a shitty retail/fast food job.