Note to Politicians: Leave Memeing alone

challengerX · February 19, 2016, 06:51:30 PM

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Turkey · February 19, 2016, 06:57:39 PM

Quote from: challengerX on February 19, 2016, 06:51:30 PM

He's racist. Making fun of how Mexicans talk and drawing Obama as a monkey is racist.

But do you recognize that 'Mexican' isn't a race or ethnicity? Or do you not understand that? Mexicans aren't homogenous at all -- the fact that you think they are is ignorant as fuck. You can't just lump a nationality together and call it a race for the sake of ridiculing a Republican. And the real irony here is that this argument about racism is coming from you, the most legitimately bigoted person on this entire site.

challengerX · February 19, 2016, 07:02:17 PM

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Verbatim · February 19, 2016, 07:04:20 PM

Quote from: HurtfulTurkey on February 19, 2016, 06:48:42 PM

Completely serious here, I'm not trying to argue semantics.

Well, sure, you may not be trying to, but you still kind of are.

Because if it's not racism, he could just as easily call it "nation-ism" (or whatever the fuck) instead.

The point is, whatever you choose to call it, it's still clearly discriminatory, prejudicial, and antagonistic towards a one nationality--and since we don't really have a convenient term for that type of shit, "racism" tends to work best.

Personally, I think the fact that Mexicans and Latinos are not even considered an ethnicity is a bit of a joke.

Verbatim · February 19, 2016, 07:07:07 PM

Oh, and that Obama caricature is quite clearly meant to look like a monkey.

Turkey · February 19, 2016, 07:07:57 PM

Quote from: challengerX on February 19, 2016, 07:02:17 PM

Quote from: HurtfulTurkey on February 19, 2016, 06:57:39 PM
But do you recognize that 'Mexican' isn't a race or ethnicity? Or do you not understand that? 'Mexicans' aren't homogenous at all -- the fact that you think they are is ignorant as fuck.
Yeah Mexicans are a race. They come from the Aztec people. There's been a lot of mixing because of the Spaniards and surrounding peoples but they most definitely are a race.

So here you demonstrate that in reality you have no understanding of what race or ethnicity is, as either anthropological or biological constructs, and that you're just throwing around the word 'racism' like a kid that just learned a new swear word to trump anyone else's view.

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I'm ignorant? Nah, you devils are just erasing history again.

[Something about a pot and a kettle]

Verbatim · February 19, 2016, 07:09:56 PM

Quote from: HurtfulTurkey on February 19, 2016, 06:57:39 PM

Mexicans aren't homogenous at all

Is that what defines race? Homogeneity?

Whites are homogeneous? Blacks are? Native Americans are?

What does that even mean?

Turkey · February 19, 2016, 07:16:18 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on February 19, 2016, 07:04:20 PM

Personally, I think the fact that Mexicans and Latinos are not even considered an ethnicity is a bit of a joke.

Latino is an ethnicity, but to say Mexicans should be either is, like I already said, ignorant as fuck of their diversity genetically, socially, ethnically, and racially.

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Because if it's not racism, he could just as easily call it "nation-ism" (or whatever the fuck) instead.

The word you're looking for is 'bigot'. Ultimately the argument being made is that ignorantly sharing a dumb macro mocking a cultural stereotype isn't significant enough to warrant labeling someone a racist or bigot any more than the absurdly common use of "nigger" on this site.

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Is that what defines race? Homogeneity?

Race is a controversial word, originally used to describe 3-4 primary categories of humans that shared homogeneity in certain genetic and anthropological characteristics (Negroid, Caucasian, Mongoloid, and Australoid). The very fact that it now -- extremely inaccurately -- labels a group of people as essentially the same in terms of culture, background, or appearance is the reason that anthropologists are moving away from the term.

challengerX · February 19, 2016, 07:17:10 PM

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Turkey · February 19, 2016, 07:20:34 PM

Quote from: challengerX on February 19, 2016, 07:17:10 PM

I don't remember my people erasing anybody else's history and not recognizing a race of people.

But then I come from a more civilized part of the world.

I literally have no knowledge about your nationality or ethnicity, and your ancestry has no bearing on whether it's acceptable for you to be vehemently bigoted against anyone.

challengerX · February 19, 2016, 07:22:20 PM

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Turkey · February 19, 2016, 07:25:28 PM

Quote from: challengerX on February 19, 2016, 07:22:20 PM

But you did say pot calling the kettle black when I referred to white people erasing people's history.

...No, that was in regard to your 'white devil' reference while you're criticizing someone for being a racist.

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I'd really love to know how it is I'm a bigot. I got a pretty good guess, but I just want to see you write it out.

Yeah, I'm sure you do have a pretty good guess given that I've straight up told you in the past that you're a huge bigot against Muslims, and often whites and blacks too.

Verbatim · February 19, 2016, 07:26:38 PM

Quote from: HurtfulTurkey on February 19, 2016, 07:16:18 PM

Ultimately the argument being made is that ignorantly sharing a dumb macro mocking a cultural stereotype isn't significant enough to warrant labeling someone a racist or bigot any more than the absurdly common use of "nigger" on this site.

I don't think you can really gauge those two things in the same way, but all right, fair enough.

challengerX · February 19, 2016, 07:30:25 PM

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Assassin 11D7 · February 19, 2016, 07:34:04 PM

Quote from: Mad Max on February 19, 2016, 06:00:16 PM

I think you guys are ignoring the fact that it isn't just a cartoon caricature of Obama with silly large ears - he's clearly supposed to look like a monkey in the picture.

I thought he looked more like dumbo tbh

Turkey · February 19, 2016, 07:37:22 PM

Quote from: challengerX on February 19, 2016, 07:30:25 PM

I don't dislike white people though, I dislike you and people like you.

"I don't hate black people, just thugs"

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I have Muslim family and friends.

"No I'm not a bigot, one of by best friends is totally a Muslim"

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Practically all my friends were black and I grew up in black neighborhoods.

(See above)

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You have no argument and you've resorted to personal insults.

You completely ignored my argument and latched on to my comment about you being a bigot. You are one, and I'm not using that fact to undermine your claim that sharing a dumb fucking meme is racist, I'm using the actual definitions of race and ethnicity to do that, and you're completely ignoring it.

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Yeah I'm always saying nigger and coon like you hillbilly motherfuckers.
people like you

Who are you even talking about, by the way? I literally never say anything like that on here.

Verbatim · February 19, 2016, 07:40:13 PM

Challenger is a bigot, yeah.

challengerX · February 19, 2016, 07:47:36 PM

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Turkey · February 19, 2016, 08:05:25 PM

Quote from: challengerX on February 19, 2016, 07:47:36 PM

The Mexicans consider themselves a race, and they are. They share the same biological roots, a country, a history.

They don't though. I've known a lot of Mexicans, and I'm sure they don't speak for the entire population, but the idea that Mexicans share a homogeneous culture or background is actually offensive to some, and most just don't even care. Mexico doesn't even ask for race feedback in their census.

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Neither, just racist whites like yourself.

I'm racist for trying to talk to you about race? Are you fucking kidding me?

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Because you either have me confused with Slash, DAS, you, Thunder, Zen, Naru etc. and all other people who say racist things about blacks on the daily or you're trolling.

Okay, so this is pretty much the only thing relevant to my original statement. Would you call those people (excluding myself because I don't say anything like that) racist for jokingly using the word 'nigger'? ~~Don't you do that, too?~~

Verbatim · February 19, 2016, 08:11:17 PM

Challenger never says nigger, actually. He hates when people use it, even jokingly. And so do I.

Really, it's just the corniest fucking thing ever when a bunch of white kids call each other "nigga" on a gaming forum. I hate it.

It's not racist, it's just stupid.

Elai · February 19, 2016, 10:55:24 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on February 19, 2016, 08:11:17 PM

Really, it's just the corniest fucking thing ever when a bunch of white kids call each other "nigga" on a gaming forum. I hate it.

Isnt that the point tho

Verbatim · February 19, 2016, 10:59:24 PM

Quote from: Eli on February 19, 2016, 10:55:24 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on February 19, 2016, 08:11:17 PM
Really, it's just the corniest fucking thing ever when a bunch of white kids call each other "nigga" on a gaming forum. I hate it.
Isnt that the point tho

Deadpool being an intentionally stupid movie doesn't make it any less stupid.

Elai · February 19, 2016, 11:02:38 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on February 19, 2016, 10:59:24 PM

Deadpool being an intentionally stupid movie doesn't make it any less stupid.

No but does that mean irony can no longer be enjoyed?

It always seemed intuitive to me that the use of the word "nigga" was meant to be ironic, at least, when used by us pastey-white kids.

Whereas Deadpool isn't stupid to be ironic, it's stupid because it thinks people enjoy that.

Verbatim · February 19, 2016, 11:11:06 PM

Quote from: Eli on February 19, 2016, 11:02:38 PM

No but does that mean irony can no longer be enjoyed?

It always seemed intuitive to me that the use of the word "nigga" was meant to be ironic, at least, when used by us pastey-white kids.

I'm just saying, I find it extremely cringeworthy. I don't believe in taking a word that is so historically abhorrent, and so riddled with hatred, and just making a big joke about it. I don't find it funny, I don't find it cute. I find it childish, stupid, and disrespectful. But whatever, go ahead and use it, if that's how you entertain yourself.

Elai · February 19, 2016, 11:18:15 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on February 19, 2016, 11:11:06 PM

I don't believe in taking a word that is so historically abhorrent, and so riddled with hatred, and just making a big joke about it. I don't find it funny, I don't find it cute. I find it childish, stupid, and disrespectful. But whatever, go ahead and use it, if that's how you entertain yourself.

I guess I have no real argument against that. I try not to use it myself, but I get careless sometimes.

challengerX · February 20, 2016, 05:23:51 AM

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Turkey · February 20, 2016, 10:47:48 AM

Quote from: challengerX on February 20, 2016, 05:23:51 AM

Nah you're racist because of how desperate you are to defend a racist asshole.

That's an incredibly childish mindset to have.

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You have absolutely no argument and you're getting personal to distract from the real issue. Like I said, just the fact you don't even consider the Mexicans a race is extremely racist. If they're not a race, what are they? Latinos? They're not a race either? What the fuck are the Mexicans then?

Mexicans are people from Mexico, or their descendants. Mexico is multiethnic and multiracial; it is not a single race or ethnicity, just like Californians aren't a race or ethnicity. There's such cultural and genetic diversity among Mexicans that it's just blatantly ridiculous to pigeonhole them as one ethnic group. And none of this has anything to do with my original premise that sharing a single offensive picture on Facebook warrants being labelled a racist. Maybe he is, actually; it's just ridiculous to think you can derive so much about a person (some old white politician who probably barely knows how social media even works) from such a naive, singular action. That's all. I'm addressing the severity of the response to his action, not the criteria to be considered a racist.

And for fuck's sake, get over the personal insults thing. I told you last time I don't consider your bigotry a detriment to your argument (I think many people here are bigoted against Islam just like you). You've been calling me a racist up and down this thread, you insulted my wife, and you've been consistently hostile throughout this discussion, and I'm not whining about it every other response. You're the one that always turns these discussions into shit-slinging arguments, so deal with it.

challengerX · February 20, 2016, 01:00:36 PM

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MyNameIsCharlie · February 20, 2016, 01:18:30 PM

Quote from: Mad Max on February 19, 2016, 01:56:46 PM

I'm curious what Obama's face is supposed to be doing in this picture. He looks concerned or something, with those big eyes.

I'm more curious to where that macro originated. Either he or one of his staffers found it. What if it was created on Stormfront? That says SOMEONE is visiting that site, or is friends with someone who does...

Turkey · February 20, 2016, 01:25:20 PM

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Yeah that's called a race.

Well again, you don't really seem to have any concept of what 'race' is, so this isn't going anywhere.

Let's just call the guy a racist and leave it at that. He's a moron for posting that on Facebook and he's a racist for mocking a national stereotype. What an enlightening discussion.

Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on February 20, 2016, 01:18:30 PM

Quote from: Mad Max on February 19, 2016, 01:56:46 PM
I'm curious what Obama's face is supposed to be doing in this picture. He looks concerned or something, with those big eyes.

I'm more curious to where that macro originated. Either he or one of his staffers found it. What if it was created on Stormfront? That says SOMEONE is visiting that site, or is friends with someone who does...

Stuff like that's all over places like Reddit and Chive. The shitty thing is that jokes like this are really common on imageboards.