North Carolina Bathroom Bill

Alternative Facts · April 17, 2016, 04:04:28 PM

Curious to see some opinions and discussions on this topic. No set questions or topics, just kinda want to talk about it.

Have fun.

Jocephalopod · April 17, 2016, 04:14:04 PM

good i'm glad he's dead

maverick · April 17, 2016, 04:23:51 PM

Don't really see any problems with it tbh but maybe someone will change my mind.

Alternative Facts · April 17, 2016, 04:29:12 PM

Quote from: Memerick on April 17, 2016, 04:23:51 PM

Don't really see any problems with it tbh but maybe someone will change my mind.

Why don't you see a problem with it?

Flee · April 17, 2016, 04:55:51 PM

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Alternative Facts · April 17, 2016, 05:12:46 PM

Quote from: Flee on April 17, 2016, 04:55:51 PM

Haven't really cared enough to see what it's about.

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North Carolina's governor on Wednesday signed a controversial bill blocking cities from allowing transgender individuals to use public bathrooms for the sex they identify as -- as well as restricting cities from passing nondiscrimination laws more broadly.

House Bill 2, the Public Facilities Privacy & Security Act, puts in place a statewide policy that bans individuals from using public bathrooms that do not correspond to their biological sex. The bill also reserves the right to pass nondiscrimination legislation to the state government, saying state laws preempt any local ordinances.

Pat McCrory, a Republican, signed the bill Wednesday night and tweeted, "Ordinance defied common sense, allowing men to use women's bathroom/locker room for instance. That's why I signed bipartisan bill to stop it."

Quote from the story.

DisturbedMind883 · April 17, 2016, 05:37:23 PM

people who are transgender are living in a very harmful illusion and need serious help

http://www.acpeds.org/the-college-speaks/position-statements/gender-ideology-harms-children

PSU · April 17, 2016, 05:41:36 PM

Nothing aganist the Trans community (Although i do think they're not playing with a full deck), But I just feel this would be easily abused by people outside of the Trans community. My concerns are more about locker rooms and not bathrooms.

I mean we have already declared kids as young as 12-13 can be "Trans". Whats stopping a 14 year old freshman straight kid from saying hes trans and using the girls locker room to peak at some booty. Thats not fair to those girls and not fair to their parents. Just seems complicated for schools. If you have a dick, use the boys room. If you have titties and a vagina, use the girls room. Not hard.

DAS B00T x2 · April 17, 2016, 05:45:08 PM

Quote from: PSU on April 17, 2016, 05:41:36 PM

Nothing aganist the Trans community (Although i do think they're not playing with a full deck), But I just feel this would be easily abused by people outside of the Trans community. My concerns are more about locker rooms and not bathrooms.

I mean we have already declared kids as young as 12-13 can be "Trans". Whats stopping a 14 year old freshman straight kid from saying hes trans and using the girls locker room to peak at some booty. Thats not fair to those girls and not fair to their parents. Just seems complicated for schools. If you have a dick, use the boys room. If you have titties and a vagina, use the girls room. Not hard.

Granted, I'm fucking lazy, but I wouldn't bother with faking GID for over a year in meetings with a shrink and then start presenting as a girl in public just to look at my female classmates undressing.

Alternative Facts · April 17, 2016, 05:57:44 PM

Quote from: PSU on April 17, 2016, 05:41:36 PM

I mean we have already declared kids as young as 12-13 can be "Trans".

Is this somehow surprising? Is there an age that we are supposed to be before one can explore their identity and who they are?

Quote from: PSU on April 17, 2016, 05:41:36 PM

Whats stopping a 14 year old freshman straight kid from saying hes trans and using the girls locker room to peak at some booty.

In pure honestly nothing - but to punish the entire community for a (at the moment) hypothetical scenario that would occur in one incredibly specific age group and location is highly unethical.

Quote from: PSU on April 17, 2016, 05:41:36 PM

If you have a dick, use the boys room. If you have titties and a vagina, use the girls room. Not hard.

Even if the person with the male/female reproductive parts does not act or display themselves as that sex? Does that not cause as many problems?

Pippen · April 17, 2016, 06:07:29 PM

Honestly don't understand transgender as much with their views on bathrooms, however I will say this.

Whatever your gender is RIGHT NOW, not the one you identify as, the one that determines which friggin genitals you have, determines whether you use the boys or girls bathroom.

They are seperated for a friggin reason, just because some people see themselves as another gender doesn't mean that they should be allowed in the girls' bathroom with a penis and flat chest.

The simple thing is, make the switch, then you should be completely allowed to do so. Without restrictions.

I know it sounds harsh, but transgenders aren't THAT plentiful. And shouldn't be treated any differently than everyone else because they "want equality".
You are dealing with a mental illness, okay, yeah, I feel bad for you.

The only other fix I see is to make more boys & girls bathrooms, where both genders can go take a piss.

Honestly, I don't get why this is such a big deal, you shit and piss in a bathroom, wash your hands, and walk out. Not that big of a deal. Sorry if I'm insensitive but that's how I see it.

Verbatim · April 17, 2016, 06:09:56 PM

I don't think we're ever gonna get to the bottom of this one. It's pretty fucked.

That said, I think the bill is ridiculous.

Alternative Facts · April 17, 2016, 06:24:01 PM

Quote from: Pip on April 17, 2016, 06:07:29 PM

Whatever your gender is RIGHT NOW, not the one you identify as, the one that determines which friggin genitals you have, determines whether you use the boys or girls bathroom.

A - That's sex, not gender. There is a difference as outline in legal and psychological documentation.
B - As I asked PSU, what if the person in question is a male by his genitals, but does not look or act like a man? Are you saying that a female (as defined by the sexual organs) that has taken testosterone and is build like some men should be forced to use a female restroom? How does that make things more comfortable?

What if a person is intersex (As in, their genitals do not correspond to one sex)?

Trying to limit an issue to "Penis Door A, Vagina Door B" is preposterous.

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I know it sounds harsh, but transgenders aren't THAT plentiful. And shouldn't be treated any differently than everyone else because they "want equality".

Same argument that was applied to gay marriage and, likely, to civil rights as well.

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You are dealing with a mental illness, okay, yeah, I feel bad for you.

When the American Psychiatric Association classifies it as one, come tell me.

And even if it is a mental illness, that does not mean we should make it difficult for them to even use a bathroom.

eggsalad · April 17, 2016, 07:15:05 PM

Strictly assigning bathrooms based on genitalia or sex chromosomes works against the goal of making the environment more comfortable because it means transmen who look and act like men have to use women's restrooms, and transwomen who look like women have to use men's restrooms. Considering trans people use bathrooms more often than hypothetical rapists in drag invade bathrooms, I'm going to say that following the genital rule is working against yourself.

Peeping and gawking at naked people is still sexual harassment regardless of gender, nothing has ever changed that.

maverick · April 17, 2016, 08:24:51 PM

Quote from: Icy on April 17, 2016, 04:29:12 PM

Quote from: Memerick on April 17, 2016, 04:23:51 PM
Don't really see any problems with it tbh but maybe someone will change my mind.

Why don't you see a problem with it?

Seems like a Catch-22 scenario. At least this doesn't leave much room for abuse or interpretation. A sort of "Don't ask, don't tell" policy might be better.

I don't really see a way for this issue to not exist unless we start having three bathrooms or just one.

Mordo · April 17, 2016, 09:49:05 PM

Just an FYI that the bill doesn't enforce private businesses to correspond with the rules that apply to public restrooms.

Not entirely in support of the bill but the reaction to this has been pretty hilarious. Paypal throws a fit over this yet still does business with Saudis who execute LGBT people lmao.

Alternative Facts · April 17, 2016, 10:18:51 PM

Quote from: Mordo on April 17, 2016, 09:49:05 PM

Paypal throws a fit over this yet still does business with Saudis who execute LGBT people lmao.

If Paypal were to stop business with the Saudi's, it would be a drop in the bucket to them. If Paypal pulls out of opening a new headquarters in North Carolina, it's a bit more prominent to the state.

Perspective, though it is hypocritical

MyNameIsCharlie · April 17, 2016, 10:40:34 PM

Has there ever been a case of sexual assault by someone claiming to be trans?

Alpha · April 17, 2016, 11:22:48 PM

This law should be implemented everywhere.

Cheat · April 18, 2016, 06:30:46 AM

Muslims should also be included in the bathroom ban. Any one of them could have a bomb.

I'm probably going to get a lot of shit for this, but black people should be banned too. They could have a gun and may try to deal drugs wih small children in there, away from cameras.

DAS B00T x2 · April 18, 2016, 09:04:43 AM

Quote from: Cheat on April 18, 2016, 06:30:46 AM

Muslims should also be included in the bathroom ban. Any one of them could have a bomb.

I'm probably going to get a lot of shit for this, but black people should be banned too. They could have a gun and may try to deal drugs wih small children in there, away from cameras.

I wholeheartedly agree. Well segregated bathrooms are essential to security of a free state.

ΚΑΤΑΝΑΛΩΤΗΣ · April 18, 2016, 09:56:54 AM

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Alternative Facts · April 18, 2016, 01:20:11 PM

Quote from: Varg on April 18, 2016, 11:31:42 AM

Just gonna say this, I would probably get shot or get hit in the face by pepper spray if I walked into the women's restroom these days. Just saying.

Yup

CIS · April 18, 2016, 08:38:22 PM

Quote from: Varg on April 18, 2016, 11:31:42 AM

Just gonna say this, I would probably get shot or get hit in the face by pepper spray if I walked into the women's restroom these days. Just saying.

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Casper · April 18, 2016, 09:28:27 PM

I don't get it, use the bathroom that corresponds with what's between your legs unless you can get away with it. If you can, then you have nothing to worry about. I'm over simplifying, but that's the jist I'm getting from it.

Alternative Facts · April 18, 2016, 09:30:45 PM

Quote from: Casper on April 18, 2016, 09:28:27 PM

I'm over simplifying

That's an understatement.

eggsalad · April 18, 2016, 09:30:50 PM

Quote from: Casper on April 18, 2016, 09:28:27 PM

I don't get it, use the bathroom that corresponds with what's between your legs unless you can get away with it. If you can, then you have nothing to worry about. I'm over simplifying, but that's the jist I'm getting from it.

The problem with that is what you think you can get away with and what Cletus thinks you can are different things.

Casper · April 18, 2016, 10:29:38 PM

Quote from: eggsalad on April 18, 2016, 09:30:50 PM

Quote from: Casper on April 18, 2016, 09:28:27 PM
I don't get it, use the bathroom that corresponds with what's between your legs unless you can get away with it. If you can, then you have nothing to worry about. I'm over simplifying, but that's the jist I'm getting from it.
The problem with that is what you think you can get away with and what Cletus thinks you can are different things.

Then you better be damn well convincing. Besides, its just using the bathroom. This law doesn't stop anyone from using the toilet. And if it's that big of a deal, then don't go.

Dan · April 18, 2016, 11:32:18 PM

It will increase the likelihood of trans-gendered people being attacked/harassed in restrooms.