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Quote from: challengerX on June 09, 2016, 08:24:10 PM

So Obama even knows this, yet endorses her? Alright.

Hillary and her people control the party right now, they probably finally got him to break after he refused to give his support to anyone for the longest time.

Quote from: LC on June 09, 2016, 09:34:18 PM

Quote from: Casper on June 09, 2016, 09:19:26 PM

Quote from: challengerX on June 09, 2016, 08:24:10 PM

So Obama even knows this, yet endorses her? Alright.

Hillary and her people control the party right now, they probably finally got him to break after he refused to give his support to anyone for the longest time.

Nah. It's been 8 years ago since their fight. They worked for 4 together in the white house, and then Hillary supported him for another 4.

And Obama wants her far more than Trump because he knows she can actually be serious and doesn't think Trump will at all. You make it sound like she's some grand wizard manipulating people or bullying them or something. It's as simple as the alternative being far far worse.

If it was someone like Kasich, I bet you this entire cycle would be different.

What I said has nothing to do with liking or disliking  and has everything to do with not supporting someone until after the convention so you can stop trying to put words into my mouth.

Her people that are in control of the DNC did bully and manipulate people throughout this election cycle. They've organized things from the beginning to give the election to Hillary and they weren't going to allow any of the other candidates to show her up like Obama did. They deliberately planned their debates in a way that would limit the exposure of other democratic candidates and they've got their cohorts in the media to include the super delegates into the total counts in order to disenfranchise voters who don't want Hillary. Not to mention the hurdles that have gone up in multiple states in order to limit the ability for groups that are less likely to vote for Hillary to have their voices heard.

Pressuring Obama into giving support to her before the convention despite previously refusing to support anyone is something that's right up their alley. If you believe that Hillary and the DNC aren't corrupt you're honestly naive.

What I said has nothing to do with liking or disliking  and has everything to do with not supporting someone until after the convention so you can stop trying to put words into my mouth.

Her people that are in control of the DNC did bully and manipulate people throughout this election cycle. They've organized things from the beginning to give the election to Hillary and they weren't going to allow any of the other candidates to show her up like Obama did. They deliberately planned their debates in a way that would limit the exposure of other democratic candidates and they've got their cohorts in the media to include the super delegates into the total counts in order to disenfranchise voters who don't want Hillary. Not to mention the hurdles that have gone up in multiple states in order to limit the ability for groups that are less likely to vote for Hillary to have their voices heard.

Pressuring Obama into giving support to her before the convention despite previously refusing to support anyone is something that's right up their alley. If you believe that Hillary and the DNC aren't corrupt you're honestly naive.

I'm well aware they set this up to be Hillary's coronation. I've said before that I don't even know if I'm voting Dem because of how they rigged things from the debates, to them declaring Hillary the winner in Iowa before even 50% of the votes came in.

I was specifically talking about Obama in this case (so I wasn't trying to put words in your mouth). I honestly believe Obama thinks she's far better than the other option, and Obama is in a better position to hurt Hillary instead of helping her, so I don't think she could exactly manipulate him this time around.

I wonder how many of Hillary's likes and retweets are from bots?

Not much I'd gather. She's loved and hated and did a meme post with the whole "delete this", so you know the neckbeards freaked.