NBC's seemingly silly premise for "The Slap" is actually thought provoking.

Nick McIntyre · April 02, 2015, 04:17:42 AM

So during the Super Bowl this year, NBC revealed a trailer for their new hit series called "The Slap" starring Peter Saarsgard and Zachary Quinto.

I laughed like an idiot because it seems ridiculous to have an entire show based around a guy slapping someone's kid. "Seriously?" I asked myself. However, I came across this little clip earlier and now have a clearer understanding of the message the show is trying to convey:

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You just saw Mr. Spock bitch slapping a kid for almost striking his own kid with a baseball bat and then kicking him. Next, the parents start screaming at Quinto and act as if he beat their child into unconsciousness. Hell they're kissing the child and crying like he was just shot or something. Quinto backs up his Vulcan Pimp-Slap by declaring that the Hippy Trash parents can't properly raise a son, as evidenced in the video. When poor, traumatized little Hugo was swinging his baseball bat around at the kids, the dad was just lazing around and saying, "Ok buddy you had your fun, stop trying to murder the other children pal."

When Hugo receives that mother of all slaps, the dad then freaks the fuck out and gets into a verbal dick-fighting contest with Quinto. When Quinto's wife intervenes, Hugo's dad asks her if Quinto beats her as well. The following episodes then show poor misunderstood Hugo's parents suing Quinto for delivering some good ol' American Middle Class justice upon some wild brat.

What I'm getting at is, who do you think is "in the right" here? Personally, I would be just as pissed as Quinto was if some long-haired mongrel was throwing a hissy fit because he lost at baseball and started swinging a bat at my kid's head. However, after Quinto took the bat away the situation was pretty much defused. But he continued, trying to teach some sense to the kid before literally smacking it right into his pasty white face. I probably would not have gone that far, even if some size 2 foot hit me in the shin. Now if the kid was clawing at my face or continuing to be a wild savage, then yes I slap the little shit. And I don't mean beat the crap out of him, it'd be a fucking love tap, even if he deserves more. But again, when the bat is taken away I'd just shove him over to the parents and publicly shame them for raising a spoiled little shit.

When you look at it from the parents' point of view, the cousin of the guy who invited you to a BBQ just struck your kid. You are pretty lax with this child and have a more Liberal method to child-raising, IE unplugging the XBox for 2 hours will teach him not to get into fights with other children at school. You see this big (and sexy) hunk of beef in the form of Zachary Quinto use his mutton-sized hand to beat the shit out of your child, possibly giving him a concussion and scarring him for life. Of course, you rationalize that this man is also a wife-beater and probably beats his own children. And since he just destroyed your own kid's well-being and inner spirit, Zachary Quinto should be viewed as the Devil and file a very public lawsuit against this violent, belligerent drunk. Your kid was just misunderstood, he still needs some growing up to do. Hulking up to him with angry, neck-bearded violence will not teach him to learn better, it will only cause him to look at the world in mistrust, judging everyone around him as some potential threat.

So, like NBC says, "Whose side are you on"? Would you stand with Quinto for publicly shaming bad parenting and teaching respect? Would you stand with parents who only care for their child's well-being and are angry that a giant man just beat the holy living Hell out of him?

You can remain neutral on this position as well. I consider myself semi-neutral, leaning more towards Quinto. He definitely was out of hand, but it wasn't done without reason either.

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The Lord Slide Rule · April 02, 2015, 05:29:38 AM

This doesn't seem nearly interesting enough for me to want to watch. I suppose worse has been on.

Also, don't slap the kid. Take the baseball bat and beat the dads ass with it.

Mordo · April 02, 2015, 06:26:35 AM

Corporal or physical punishment has no scientific or statistical backing in aiding a child's developmental process, so yeah, there's that. If anything I'd hit the parents for raising them in such a shitty manner.

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Mordo · April 02, 2015, 06:58:34 AM

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Quote from: Madman Mordo on April 02, 2015, 06:26:35 AM
Corporal or physical punishment has no scientific or statistical backing in aiding a child's developmental process, so yeah, there's that. If anything I'd hit the parents for raising them in such a shitty manner.
Swinging a bat at other children warrants a slap.

If you try to harm others, you'll be harmed yourself. Thing is the dad should've slapped him and not the other guy.

idk if it warrants a slap, especially from another parent, but using physical force to remove the child from the situation that is potentially endangering your own child, yeah all for it.

When I see misbehaving little shits, in the playground, public or wherever, I don't ever place responsibility on the child. I immediately blame the shitty excuses for parents for raising them that way.

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Mattie G Indahouse · April 02, 2015, 07:39:14 AM

Quote from: Madman Mordo on April 02, 2015, 06:26:35 AM

Corporal or physical punishment has no scientific or statistical backing in aiding a child's developmental process, so yeah, there's that. If anything I'd hit the parents for raising them in such a shitty manner.

Agreed. The only reason why the kid is acting like that is because the parents did nothing about his behavior. They're probably the "You kids do something wrong but mine don't" type of parents. Whenever the kid acted up they look the other way and like I said in the last sentence they blame the other kid or parents for something that happens.

Mordo · April 02, 2015, 07:55:07 AM

Quote from: challengerX on April 02, 2015, 07:02:59 AM

Quote from: Madman Mordo on April 02, 2015, 06:58:34 AM
Quote from: challengerX on April 02, 2015, 06:55:20 AM
Quote from: Madman Mordo on April 02, 2015, 06:26:35 AM
Corporal or physical punishment has no scientific or statistical backing in aiding a child's developmental process, so yeah, there's that. If anything I'd hit the parents for raising them in such a shitty manner.
Swinging a bat at other children warrants a slap.

If you try to harm others, you'll be harmed yourself. Thing is the dad should've slapped him and not the other guy.
idk if it warrants a slap, especially from another parent, but using physical force to remove the child from the situation that is potentially endangering your own child, yeah all for it.

When I see misbehaving little shits, in the playground, public or wherever, I don't ever place responsibility on the child. I immediately blame the shitty excuses for parents for raising them that way.
Oh, no doubt.

But the child needs to be taught a lesson and an explanation as to why you can't get what you want by threatening others with physical violence.

And that's the parents, and perhaps maybe the state's responsibility, not some random unrelated parent who happens to be in the same vicinity as the child in question.

Sure, an occasional smack to the backside once in a blue moon conveys the fact that what they did was extremely inappropriate. Hell, my mum only lifted a finger to me once and I turned out relatively okay. But when you overdo the whole physical punishment thing, the only lesson you're teaching the child is to avoid getting caught, instead of avoiding misbehavior altogether.

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Mega Sceptile · April 02, 2015, 08:01:38 AM

Quote from: Madman Mordo on April 02, 2015, 07:55:07 AM

Quote from: challengerX on April 02, 2015, 07:02:59 AM
Quote from: Madman Mordo on April 02, 2015, 06:58:34 AM
Quote from: challengerX on April 02, 2015, 06:55:20 AM
Quote from: Madman Mordo on April 02, 2015, 06:26:35 AM
Corporal or physical punishment has no scientific or statistical backing in aiding a child's developmental process, so yeah, there's that. If anything I'd hit the parents for raising them in such a shitty manner.
Swinging a bat at other children warrants a slap.

If you try to harm others, you'll be harmed yourself. Thing is the dad should've slapped him and not the other guy.
idk if it warrants a slap, especially from another parent, but using physical force to remove the child from the situation that is potentially endangering your own child, yeah all for it.

When I see misbehaving little shits, in the playground, public or wherever, I don't ever place responsibility on the child. I immediately blame the shitty excuses for parents for raising them that way.
Oh, no doubt.

But the child needs to be taught a lesson and an explanation as to why you can't get what you want by threatening others with physical violence.
And that's the parents, and perhaps maybe the state's responsibility, not some random unrelated parent who happens to be in the same vicinity as the child in question.

his kid was getting beat with a baseball bat, who wouldn't slap the shit out of the shit eating mongrel beating your kid with a baseball bat? hell, I'd take it a step further and beat the shit out of the dad for being such a shitty parent if it were my kid.

Mordo · April 02, 2015, 08:07:04 AM

Quote from: Mega Sceptile on April 02, 2015, 08:01:38 AM

Quote from: Madman Mordo on April 02, 2015, 07:55:07 AM
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Quote from: Madman Mordo on April 02, 2015, 06:58:34 AM
Quote from: challengerX on April 02, 2015, 06:55:20 AM
Quote from: Madman Mordo on April 02, 2015, 06:26:35 AM
Corporal or physical punishment has no scientific or statistical backing in aiding a child's developmental process, so yeah, there's that. If anything I'd hit the parents for raising them in such a shitty manner.
Swinging a bat at other children warrants a slap.

If you try to harm others, you'll be harmed yourself. Thing is the dad should've slapped him and not the other guy.
idk if it warrants a slap, especially from another parent, but using physical force to remove the child from the situation that is potentially endangering your own child, yeah all for it.

When I see misbehaving little shits, in the playground, public or wherever, I don't ever place responsibility on the child. I immediately blame the shitty excuses for parents for raising them that way.
Oh, no doubt.

But the child needs to be taught a lesson and an explanation as to why you can't get what you want by threatening others with physical violence.
And that's the parents, and perhaps maybe the state's responsibility, not some random unrelated parent who happens to be in the same vicinity as the child in question.

his kid was getting beat with a baseball bat, who wouldn't slap the shit out of the shit eating mongrel beating your kid with a baseball bat? hell, I'd take it a step further and beat the shit out of the dad for being such a shitty parent if it were my kid.

Unfortunately you can't just go around kicking the shit out of children for what is essentially the adult's fault/responsibility. A kid at that age doesn't even know what he/she's doing is wrong, and just senselessly resorting to violence, from behalf of either the parents or a random, isn't going to teach him/her anything. Like I said, there's no scientific evidence to suggest corporal punishment alleviates or improves a child's behaviour.

I'd actually really like to see you guys' reactions to a situation like this. It's all fine and dandy saying one thing, but when it comes to walking the walk, I bet nearly all of you would pussy out.

Mega Sceptile · April 02, 2015, 08:16:13 AM

Quote from: Madman Mordo on April 02, 2015, 08:07:04 AM

Quote from: Mega Sceptile on April 02, 2015, 08:01:38 AM
Quote from: Madman Mordo on April 02, 2015, 07:55:07 AM
Quote from: challengerX on April 02, 2015, 07:02:59 AM
Quote from: Madman Mordo on April 02, 2015, 06:58:34 AM
Quote from: challengerX on April 02, 2015, 06:55:20 AM
Quote from: Madman Mordo on April 02, 2015, 06:26:35 AM
Corporal or physical punishment has no scientific or statistical backing in aiding a child's developmental process, so yeah, there's that. If anything I'd hit the parents for raising them in such a shitty manner.
Swinging a bat at other children warrants a slap.

If you try to harm others, you'll be harmed yourself. Thing is the dad should've slapped him and not the other guy.
idk if it warrants a slap, especially from another parent, but using physical force to remove the child from the situation that is potentially endangering your own child, yeah all for it.

When I see misbehaving little shits, in the playground, public or wherever, I don't ever place responsibility on the child. I immediately blame the shitty excuses for parents for raising them that way.
Oh, no doubt.

But the child needs to be taught a lesson and an explanation as to why you can't get what you want by threatening others with physical violence.
And that's the parents, and perhaps maybe the state's responsibility, not some random unrelated parent who happens to be in the same vicinity as the child in question.

his kid was getting beat with a baseball bat, who wouldn't slap the shit out of the shit eating mongrel beating your kid with a baseball bat? hell, I'd take it a step further and beat the shit out of the dad for being such a shitty parent if it were my kid.
Unfortunately you can't just go around kicking the shit out children for what is essentially the adult's fault/responsibility. A kid at that age doesn't even know what he/she's doing is wrong, and just senselessly resorting to violence, from either the parents or a random bhealf, isn't going to teach him/her anything. Like I said, there's no scientific evidence to suggest corporal punishment alleviates or improves a child's behaviour.

if you've ever raised kids yourself, you wouldn't be saying anything about the 'scientific' evidence because you'd know it's a bunch of bullshit made by some 40 year old virgins who have never had a kid themselves.

it's the exact same shit that farmers had to deal with when the 'experts' rolled into town and said to dig up all the trees and remove the fences on the farmland because it gives you extra space on the land, after that they couldn't understand why all the topsoil was getting kicked around and blown away by the elements. 2 years later they finally realized what every experienced farmer knew, that those trees and fences were put there to block the soil and act as a barrier. this is the same case, the mother of 5 knows a fuck ton more about raising children and what works than the armchair psychologist who's only conducting a study for a paycheck.

Mordo · April 02, 2015, 09:13:51 AM

Quote from: Mega Sceptile on April 02, 2015, 08:16:13 AM

if you've ever raised kids yourself, you wouldn't be saying anything about the 'scientific' evidence because you'd know it's a bunch of bullshit

"Yeah fuck empirical facts and reasoning. Anecdotal evidence is all I need"

lol

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made by some 40 year old virgins who have never had a kid themselves.

This is b8 right?

What about Faith Healing? A practice so antiquated and practically medieval that to even suggest it in modern medicine would get you laughed out of the building. Was that discredited by 40 year old virgins as well?

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it's the exact same shit that farmers had to deal with when the 'experts' rolled into town and said to dig up all the trees and remove the fences on the farmland because it gives you extra space on the land, after that they couldn't understand why all the topsoil was getting kicked around and blown away by the elements. 2 years later they finally realized what every experienced farmer knew, that those trees and fences were put there to block the soil and act as a barrier.

I'm not sure what agriculture has to do with child rearing.

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this is the same case, the mother of 5 knows a fuck ton more about raising children

If you know any single mothers like I do you know this is pure and utter bullshit. I wouldn't at all be surprised if we started seeing Millennials and Gen Y make a serious regression in education and job tenure in the near future.

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and what works than the armchair psychologist who's only conducting a study for a paycheck.

A psychologist that has meticulously studied the inner workings of the psyche, and in this case child psychology, knows less than a stay at home mum simply because he/she is being compensated for their work?

Yeah okay bro, sure.

Mega Sceptile · April 02, 2015, 09:41:55 AM

Quote from: Madman Mordo on April 02, 2015, 09:13:51 AM

"Yeah fuck empirical facts and reasoning. Anecdotal evidence is all I need"

lol

the empirical facts are made by completely different people who have never dealt with your kid, child raising is completely anecdotal, there is no cookie cutter way for raising a child, some respond more effectively to physical action rather than psychological, despite what these psychologists want you to believe.

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This is b8 right?

What about Faith Healing? A practice so antiquated and practically medieval that to even suggest it in modern medicine would get you laughed out of the building. Was that discredited by 40 year old virgins as well?

medicine is a science, it's purely based on empirical evidence, child raising is not, child raising is based on the knowledge of your own kids, and what works with them specifically, and not on the 'evidence' that these psychologists who looked at maybe 10 or so kids observed.

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I'm not sure what agriculture has to do with child rearing..

it's an example of the 'experts' that you love to jerk off to being retarded and not listening to the people who have more experience in a job and then when they go and

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If you know any single mothers like I do you know this is pure and utter bullshit. I wouldn't at all be surprised if we started seeing Millennials and Gen Y make a serious regression in education and job tenure in the near future.

I do know single mothers, and half the time they're either too lazy to raise their child, or too stupid to be having kids in the first place. the other half of the time, the child grows up fine, but with no father to teach them about all the shit a father is supposed to teach, like how the real world works, and how to file your taxes, or how to function normally in society. a single mother raising a child will raise a child that has only half as much of the knowledge that they need to live in the real world, it takes 2 to raise a kid.

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A psychologist that has meticulously studied the inner workings of the psyche, and in this case child psychology, knows less than a stay at home mum simply because he/she is being compensated for their work?

Yeah okay bro, sure.

No, that's not what I'm saying, stop twisting my words. he knows less because he's never had a child himself, and clearly doesn't realize that there is no trend, no experiment that will magically give you a way to raise the perfect child.

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aREALgod · April 02, 2015, 09:42:38 PM

Kids are brats nowadays and need a good spanking when they really screw up.

🍁 Aria 🔮 · April 02, 2015, 10:17:08 PM

Quote from: Madman Mordo on April 02, 2015, 08:07:04 AM

I'd actually really like to see you guys' reactions to a situation like this. It's all fine and dandy saying one thing, but when it comes to walking the walk, I bet nearly all of you would pussy out.

I'd yank that kid up so hard it'd nearly break his arm, then drag him to his parents and curse them up one side and down the other for their little shit of a son.

Mordo · April 03, 2015, 05:21:12 AM

Quote from: Prime Meridia on April 02, 2015, 10:17:08 PM

Quote from: Madman Mordo on April 02, 2015, 08:07:04 AM
I'd actually really like to see you guys' reactions to a situation like this. It's all fine and dandy saying one thing, but when it comes to walking the walk, I bet nearly all of you would pussy out.
I'd yank that kid up so hard it'd nearly break his arm, then drag him to his parents and curse them up one side and down the other for their little shit of a son.

More Than Mortal · April 03, 2015, 05:29:27 AM

As much as I generally oppose corporal punishment--since it has no psychiatric support--I can't help but feel that a sharp slap across the face once or twice in your entire childhood can be effective at stopping certain kinds of behaviour.

Either way, the parents of the kid were in the wrong pretty much throughout that video.

🍁 Aria 🔮 · April 03, 2015, 07:17:40 AM

Quote from: Madman Mordo on April 03, 2015, 05:21:12 AM

Quote from: Prime Meridia on April 02, 2015, 10:17:08 PM
Quote from: Madman Mordo on April 02, 2015, 08:07:04 AM
I'd actually really like to see you guys' reactions to a situation like this. It's all fine and dandy saying one thing, but when it comes to walking the walk, I bet nearly all of you would pussy out.
I'd yank that kid up so hard it'd nearly break his arm, then drag him to his parents and curse them up one side and down the other for their little shit of a son.

You asked. Besides, it's not exactly uncommon behavior. I see it happen all the time (my reaction, not kids beating each other with baseball bats).

Verbatim · April 03, 2015, 07:45:44 AM

You don't hit kids. It's pretty simple. He was in the wrong for doing so.

Verbatim · April 03, 2015, 07:58:30 AM

He took away the bat--that was the most important thing, so there was no need to hit him after a light kick. Clearly, he just got pissed off, as most adults do in those situations--it wasn't a rational decision that he made; he reacted out of anger. It wasn't based on forethought. If anything, after doing what he did (rightly), the stern talking to, I might do what Aria said to do and drag him to his parents immediately (maybe not break his arm in the process though?) after getting kicked.

But no--you certainly don't hit a child, let alone a child that isn't yours, let alone that fucking hard.

Verbatim · April 03, 2015, 08:08:56 AM

Also, I didn't see much of an overreaction on the parents' part. How were the supposed to react? Their own child just got smacked into next week by a guy six times bigger than him. I'd attribute it mostly to parental instinct that they'd react with nuclear holocaust levels of panic, and I'll be the last person to defend biological instincts, but isn't parental instinct... kinda important?

The only unfortunate thing is that the kid probably felt vindicated after that.

🍁 Aria 🔮 · April 03, 2015, 09:22:41 AM

"Breaking his arm" is obviously hyperbole lol. It's just supposed to illustrate that I wouldn't be cradling him in my arms and carrying the heathen to his parents.

Verbatim · April 03, 2015, 12:49:06 PM

i figured--just keeping your sadism in check

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🍁 Aria 🔮 · April 03, 2015, 03:31:43 PM

>cooties