Navy & Marines considering removing 'man' from titles (seaman, airmen, etc.)

Mordo · January 08, 2016, 01:45:45 PM

>there are people on this board, right here, right now, that think this is actually a serious issue to get worked up over

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Cindy · January 08, 2016, 01:45:47 PM

Quote from: Ender on January 08, 2016, 01:42:10 PM

Quote from: Fuddy Duddy II on January 08, 2016, 01:36:39 PM
Quote from: Ender on January 08, 2016, 01:30:03 PM
kinda dumb considering the word man usually =humans in general

Mankind
Man-made
Woman
Human
Etc

It's not sexist, really.
I don't really understand your reasoning. I mean, sure, it's not sexist--it's just androcentric for no good reason.
Well I don't know if I'm right sooooo. Maybe it has something to do with the religious "fact" that mankind start with man or some shit

Fuck man I don't know

It comes from Old German/Old English

"Man" (Modern-day German "Mann) was used to denote an unspecific single person, whereas "Werman" and "Wyfman" were used for males and females (likely where "wife" developed from).

The problem is that "man" has evolved, in modern english, to mean something masculine

Verbatim · January 08, 2016, 01:45:51 PM

Quote from: challengerX on January 08, 2016, 01:38:17 PM

Quote from: Fuddy Duddy II on January 08, 2016, 01:32:35 PM
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I wonder what SJW's think of Spanish which uses "o" and "a" to denote male and female, respectively.
It's retarded.
Why?

Because it's pointless.

Obviously, we need words like male & female, boy & girl, man & woman, and mother & father, and shit like that, but anything further than that is just unnecessary. Why does the Spanish language need masculine and feminine forms for every fucking noun in their dumbfuck language? Why is that needed? What purpose does that serve?

Luciana · January 08, 2016, 01:47:48 PM

I was honestly just waiting for someone to get butt flustered with someone else here

It's not serious unless we argue over the most minute shit

*mounts high horse*

Cindy · January 08, 2016, 01:48:26 PM

Quote from: Fuddy Duddy II on January 08, 2016, 01:45:51 PM

Quote from: challengerX on January 08, 2016, 01:38:17 PM
Quote from: Fuddy Duddy II on January 08, 2016, 01:32:35 PM
Quote from: challengerX on January 08, 2016, 01:31:17 PM
I wonder what SJW's think of Spanish which uses "o" and "a" to denote male and female, respectively.
It's retarded.
Why?
Because it's pointless.

Obviously, we need words like male & female, boy & girl, man & woman, and mother & father, and shit like that, but anything further than that is just unnecessary. Why does the Spanish language need masculine and feminine forms for every fucking noun in their dumbfuck language? Why is that needed? What purpose does that serve?

Pretty much every Romantic, Germanic, and Slavic language does that

And it's not even coherent between them

Verbatim · January 08, 2016, 01:53:37 PM

Quote from: Cindy on January 08, 2016, 01:48:26 PM

Pretty much every Romantic, Germanic, and Slavic language does that

And it's not even coherent between them

Well, the nice thing about some of those languages is that some of them have gender neutral terms, as well.

Spanish doesn't, and English just has "it," which, of course, is considered offensive. You can't refer to someone as an "it."

I don't know why we need gendered pronouns to begin with.

More Than Mortal · January 08, 2016, 01:59:11 PM

Quote from: Cindy on January 08, 2016, 01:13:49 PM

the perceived meaning of words can change over time depending on usage.

I didn't say it doesn't. I'm saying because of the word's historic roots its current usage does not signal any kind of institutionalised sexism, merely path dependence. I'm not opposed to the change, per se, it's just pointless. I'm pretty sure female naval officers have no issue being addressed as "Midshipman" or whatever.

challengerX · January 08, 2016, 02:02:34 PM

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More Than Mortal · January 08, 2016, 02:02:41 PM

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Oh look, people don't understand that "man" has two meanings. What's new?
You realize that doesn't add anything to the discussion, right?

Who cares? The fact that a discussion exists around such a pointless move doesn't really interest me. I think the change is stupid because there's literally no point to doing it; thousands of women in the military are not going to suddenly start feeling much better as a result.

But I also don't care enough to argue over it. My entire argument on this issue boils down to the fact that I think it's a waste of time, but I'm not going to demand the navy or air force change it back if they do go through with it because it'd be a waste of my time.

Luciana · January 08, 2016, 02:05:25 PM

Just a reminder that changing the titles won't change all the SEXUAL HARASSMENT women get from the military on a yearly basis.

Checkmate, Obama. Gun laws won't work, and neither will this.

challengerX · January 08, 2016, 02:28:06 PM

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Alternative Facts · January 08, 2016, 02:50:23 PM

Quote from: Luciana on January 08, 2016, 02:05:25 PM

Just a reminder that changing the titles won't change all the SEXUAL HARASSMENT women get from the military on a yearly basis.

Checkmate, Obama. Gun laws won't work, and neither will this.

Yes.

All of this.

eggsalad · January 08, 2016, 04:08:53 PM

waste of time

but thats the most of it really
tbh i always felt weird calling women those titles anyways

DAS B00T x2 · January 08, 2016, 04:47:59 PM

Quote from: Luciana on January 08, 2016, 02:05:25 PM

Just a reminder that changing the titles won't change all the SEXUAL HARASSMENT women get from the military on a yearly basis.

Checkmate, Obama. Gun laws won't work, and neither will this.

I don't know if you're serious, but you're actually fucking right either way.

Civies and politicians cant fix shit.

Cadenza has moved on · January 08, 2016, 05:15:31 PM

Why not make your own titles instead of trying to remove anything even vaguely masculine?

Luciana · January 08, 2016, 07:00:43 PM

Quote from: DAS THE HALLS on January 08, 2016, 04:47:59 PM

Quote from: Luciana on January 08, 2016, 02:05:25 PM
Just a reminder that changing the titles won't change all the SEXUAL HARASSMENT women get from the military on a yearly basis.

Checkmate, Obama. Gun laws won't work, and neither will this.
I don't know if you're serious, but you're actually fucking right either way.

Civies and politicians cant fix shit.

I was being ironic with the gun thing because of course it won't stop everything but it's a step in the right direction. I think saying things like "it won't stop criminals!" is asinine and a strawman argument, as Flee has pointed out countless times in other threads. But hey, we can't even implement already standing laws because our government is incompetent on almost every federal level. Congress is a shining example. Lazy, self entitled, elitist idiots.

I couldn't care less about the male/female thing in the military because it's not really a big thing to care about anyway. They need to focus on the sexual assaults they get yearly.

Winy · January 08, 2016, 07:44:48 PM

At last, I can finally make my country proud and become a military Air.

Winy · January 08, 2016, 07:45:21 PM

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Korra · January 08, 2016, 09:11:22 PM

Alright. So, what are we going to say instead?

Seaindividual?

Seaperson?

How about just sailor and marine respectively? I mean, all Marines are marines and all Sailors are sailors, gender really doesn't matter.

Girl of Mystery · January 09, 2016, 01:13:41 AM

This is fucking stupid. There's literally no need to change them.

Luciana · January 09, 2016, 01:42:03 AM

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This is fucking stupid. There's literally no need to change them.

BRO CALM DOWN

Girl of Mystery · January 09, 2016, 01:43:14 AM

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This is fucking stupid. There's literally no need to change them.
BRO CALM DOWN

IT'S JUST A PRANK

Mattie G Indahouse · January 09, 2016, 06:21:32 AM

Quote from: ねこ on January 07, 2016, 10:47:22 PM

When will they remove man from Wo"man"?

Don't forget the he in s"HE" and there's also he in "HE"r.

Oh · January 09, 2016, 08:06:21 AM

is meme gender neutral?

could they be called seamemes and airmemes?

ಠ_ಠ · January 10, 2016, 05:10:16 AM

I really could care less either way.

challengerX · January 10, 2016, 06:44:17 AM

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Flee · January 10, 2016, 06:50:06 AM

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Verbatim · January 10, 2016, 06:51:05 AM

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I really could care less either way.

*couldn't

though i have a feeling people only say "could" just to piss people off, in which case

it works

Winy · January 10, 2016, 12:19:24 PM

Maybe I'm just ignorant on the problem here but I'm not really seeing the point in changing it. Like, "Man" refers to humanity as a whole, so don't titles like "Seaman" and "Airman" just assume a gender-neutral role? I feel like it's an over-analysis of the term.

ΚΑΤΑΝΑΛΩΤΗΣ · January 10, 2016, 12:33:09 PM

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