Navy & Marines considering removing 'man' from titles (seaman, airmen, etc.)

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http://www.navytimes.com/story/military/2016/01/07/navy-looks-remove-man-all-job-titles/78415190/

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“Lastly, as we achieve full integration of the force … this is an opportunity to update the position titles and descriptions themselves to demonstrate through this language that women are included in these positions," Mabus wrote, according to sources who quoted directly from the letter. “Ensure they are gender-integrated as well, removing “man” from their titles, and provide a report to me as soon as is practicable and no later than April 1, 2016.”

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Some hallowed titles like seaman could be tough to replace, but others could be swapped with gender neutral descriptors as the service has done before. In 2005, for example, officials changed personnelman, a rating where many women had served, to personnel specialist.

There are at least 20 job titles that include the word "man." Aviation has the most to review, with five of their 12 enlisted rating descriptions ending with “man.” Surface engineering includes eight.

“Simply removing 'man' and replacing it with technician or specialist works in many cases,” said the source familiar with the memo.

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Insidious PC culture seeping into hallowed traditions, or a timely change to outdated customs? You decide.
Last Edit: January 07, 2016, 08:41:48 PM by One Punch Turkey


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For the love of Christ.


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I've always assumed that -man denoted a human position. Mankind refers to everyone.

It's not a big deal, mailman isn't the official term anymore either iirc. I'd be more concerned with them replacing them with something silly.


 
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There's no real reason to be against a more all-inclusive atmosphere for women. I'm all for it.

Even when I was a fucking little kid, I thought it was stupid how we named everything after men.
Last Edit: January 07, 2016, 09:13:41 PM by Fuddy Duddy II


 
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I've never understood the people who got upset at -man titles... never really met one in person myself 'till I started traveling away from home.
Must be a city liberal thing.


 
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Why not remove mankind?!

Or... or MAN MADE?!

Or huMAN?

No but seriously, for the military I really don't mind, seeing as women are playing a bigger part. But I do think it can be blown out of proportion too. Military has to be very careful with this kinda stuff lots of times.


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There's no real reason to be against a more all-inclusive atmosphere for women. I'm all for it.

Even when I was a fucking little kid, I thought it was stupid how we named everything after men.
I thought "-man" at the end of a title was due to the old meaning of the word "man", which just referred to a person of indefinite gender, rather than referring to men/males. Of course the meaning is different today, but I don't think it's meant to be intentionally non inclusive. Something like this isn't much of a problem though, different meanings today means it probably is a good idea to change titles such as military ones.


 
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This is not the greatest sig in the world, no. This is just a tribute.
Part of me also just wants to say "it's the fucking military. Here's a straw, you little shit" when I see these things.


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If I'm not here, I'm doing photography. Or I'm asleep. Or in lockdown. One of those three, anyway.

The current titlebar/avatar setup is just normal.
Why not just call them all maggots instead?



 
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male, he/him

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Stupidity.


 
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I'm fine with it.


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In other news, 'semen' is still oppressive.


 
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Oh look, people don't understand that "man" has two meanings. What's new?


 
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I DONT GIVE A SINGLE -blam!- MOTHER -blam!-ER ITS A MOTHER -blam!-ING FORUM, OH WOW, YOU HAVE THE WORD NINJA BELOW YOUR NAME, HOW MOTHER -blam!-ING COOL, NOT, YOUR ARE NOTHING TO ME BUT A BRAINWASHED PIECE OF SHIT BLOGGER, PEOPLE ONLY LIKE YOU BECAUSE YOU HAVE NINJA BELOW YOUR NAME, SO PLEASE PUNCH YOURAELF IN THE FACE AND STAB YOUR EYE BECAUSE YOU ARE NOTHING BUT A PIECE OF SHIT OF SOCIETY
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Oh look, people don't understand that "man" has two meanings. What's new?
Oh look, people who don't understand that language evolves and the perceived meaning of words can change over time depending on usage. What's new?


 
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Oh look, people don't understand that "man" has two meanings. What's new?
You realize that doesn't add anything to the discussion, right?

The fact that "man" has two meanings is the issue itself. The fact that the masculine denomination for human beings in the English language takes precedence over the feminine denomination is still conspicuously evident.

We do understand that, because it's precisely the problem. We can't change the historical roots, but we can change how we structure our language.

That's why I always opt to use the word "artificial" instead of "man-made", because the androcentric nature of my language kind of repulses me, and it should repulse you too.
Last Edit: January 08, 2016, 01:34:46 PM by Fuddy Duddy II


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Like, yeah. Mankind, the race of men, etc all comes from the Germanic "Mann" that just means a single human

But that doesn't mean jack dick in modern english


 
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kinda dumb considering the word man usually =humans in general

Mankind
Man-made
Woman
Human
Etc

It's not sexist, really.


 
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I DONT GIVE A SINGLE -blam!- MOTHER -blam!-ER ITS A MOTHER -blam!-ING FORUM, OH WOW, YOU HAVE THE WORD NINJA BELOW YOUR NAME, HOW MOTHER -blam!-ING COOL, NOT, YOUR ARE NOTHING TO ME BUT A BRAINWASHED PIECE OF SHIT BLOGGER, PEOPLE ONLY LIKE YOU BECAUSE YOU HAVE NINJA BELOW YOUR NAME, SO PLEASE PUNCH YOURAELF IN THE FACE AND STAB YOUR EYE BECAUSE YOU ARE NOTHING BUT A PIECE OF SHIT OF SOCIETY
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I wonder what SJW's think of Spanish which uses "o" and "a" to denote male and female, respectively.
It's retarded.


 
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Like, yeah. Mankind, the race of men, etc all comes from the Germanic "Mann" that just means a single human

But that doesn't mean jack dick in modern english
Get your stupid talk out of here you filthy libbie.


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kinda dumb considering the word man usually =humans in general

Mankind
Man-made
Woman
Human
Etc

It's not sexist, really.
Then why does "man" mean "masculine" rather than the more traditional, old english word "werman"?


 
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kinda dumb considering the word man usually =humans in general

Mankind
Man-made
Woman
Human
Etc

It's not sexist, really.
I don't really understand your reasoning. I mean, sure, it's not sexist--it's just androcentric for no good reason.


 
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I DONT GIVE A SINGLE -blam!- MOTHER -blam!-ER ITS A MOTHER -blam!-ING FORUM, OH WOW, YOU HAVE THE WORD NINJA BELOW YOUR NAME, HOW MOTHER -blam!-ING COOL, NOT, YOUR ARE NOTHING TO ME BUT A BRAINWASHED PIECE OF SHIT BLOGGER, PEOPLE ONLY LIKE YOU BECAUSE YOU HAVE NINJA BELOW YOUR NAME, SO PLEASE PUNCH YOURAELF IN THE FACE AND STAB YOUR EYE BECAUSE YOU ARE NOTHING BUT A PIECE OF SHIT OF SOCIETY
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kinda dumb considering the word man usually =humans in general

Mankind
Man-made
Woman
Human
Etc

It's not sexist, really.
I don't really understand your reasoning. I mean, sure, it's not sexist--it's just androcentric for no good reason.
Well I don't know if I'm right sooooo. Maybe it has something to do with the religious "fact" that mankind start with man or some shit

Fuck man I don't know