Shame it was done with higher taxes, though.
So does that mean Democrats created the recession since they had majority hold of Congress?
Quote from: Kinder on October 17, 2014, 12:03:14 PMSo does that mean Democrats created the recession since they had majority hold of Congress?No. The Federal Reserve created the Recession.
And the Republicans introduced a plan to cut the deficit last yearhttp://www.reuters.com/article/2013/03/12/us-usa-fiscal-ryan-idUSBRE92B02E20130312
Quote from: Meta Cognition on October 17, 2014, 12:06:21 PMQuote from: Kinder on October 17, 2014, 12:03:14 PMSo does that mean Democrats created the recession since they had majority hold of Congress?No. The Federal Reserve created the Recession.And the Republicans introduced a plan to cut the deficit last yearhttp://www.reuters.com/article/2013/03/12/us-usa-fiscal-ryan-idUSBRE92B02E20130312
With its cuts to social programs including Medicaid, which provides healthcare for the poor and some people with disabilities, the measure will stand in stark contrast to a competing 2014 budget outline that Senate Democrats will unveil this week. That measure will rely partially on tax increases to get control of a massive government debt.
In this thread:Quote from: Kinder on October 17, 2014, 12:12:42 PMQuote from: Meta Cognition on October 17, 2014, 12:06:21 PMQuote from: Kinder on October 17, 2014, 12:03:14 PMSo does that mean Democrats created the recession since they had majority hold of Congress?No. The Federal Reserve created the Recession.And the Republicans introduced a plan to cut the deficit last yearhttp://www.reuters.com/article/2013/03/12/us-usa-fiscal-ryan-idUSBRE92B02E20130312That's great, but it wasn't their plan that was used to cut the defecit:QuoteWith its cuts to social programs including Medicaid, which provides healthcare for the poor and some people with disabilities, the measure will stand in stark contrast to a competing 2014 budget outline that Senate Democrats will unveil this week. That measure will rely partially on tax increases to get control of a massive government debt.Their plan relies on cutting social programs like Medicaid - the Democrat's plan, the one currently in place and has been working, relies on higher taxes.
Higher taxes are bad,
especially since they were the ones who held Congress when the economy went to shit.
That's just insult to injury when you ruin the economy and demand those same people to pay more to those who oversaw it
Quote from: IcyWind on October 17, 2014, 01:56:13 PMaaaaand scene.
Quote from: IcyWind on October 17, 2014, 01:56:13 PM>not understanding what generalizing isI was showing how stupid it is to say Obama is the reason why the deficit has decreased by stating that Democrats were in control of Congress when the economy fell. There's more factors than a single person/group when it comes towards thisNow I just wait for your patheitc "hur demeg puntrol" response like the biased person you are
Quote from: Kinder on October 17, 2014, 02:10:06 PMQuote from: IcyWind on October 17, 2014, 01:56:13 PM>not understanding what generalizing isI was showing how stupid it is to say Obama is the reason why the deficit has decreased by stating that Democrats were in control of Congress when the economy fell. There's more factors than a single person/group when it comes towards thisNow I just wait for your patheitc "hur demeg puntrol" response like the biased person you are> Presents entire post with details and sources saying why you're wrong> "It's just a generalization, Obama didn't do anything"Kinder, if you'd like to debate, be my guest. But actually come here prepared because at this point, unless you have some sources to back up that Democrats didn't successfully lower the deficit, you're wrong in this argument.Have a good day.
Quote from: Kinder on October 17, 2014, 02:10:06 PMQuote from: IcyWind on October 17, 2014, 01:56:13 PM>not understanding what generalizing isI was showing how stupid it is to say Obama is the reason why the deficit has decreased by stating that Democrats were in control of Congress when the economy fell. There's more factors than a single person/group when it comes towards thisNow I just wait for your patheitc "hur demeg puntrol" response like the biased person you area
Lol, you're just mad you thought I was being serious. fracking lol. Go cry some more
Going to stick my neck out and disagree with Icy here. The government was largely responsible for the Great Recession, although certain not the Congress. Tight money from the Federal Reserve caused, what would be, a minor debt issue into a fiasco through tight money and allowing nominal GDP to tank. It was essentially the same with the Great Depression; tight money causes economic contraction, which in turn reduces liquidity and creates debt crises and bank failures. As for the supposed recklessness with banks and mortgages? That was probably due to government regulation encouraging banks to pour money into such assets, since mortgages were deemed relatively safe. It was, most likely, a case of ignorance over recklessness.
1920's credit crisis
Quote from: IcyWind on October 17, 2014, 02:20:55 PM1920's credit crisisSorry, could you elaborate?
Quote from: Kinder on October 17, 2014, 02:15:13 PMLol, you're just mad you thought I was being serious. fracking lol. Go cry some moreThis is the serious forum, no?
When the Stock Market did crash, the credit bubble popped, and it helped to intensify the immediate effects for citizens because none of them had the actual money to pay off their credit debts as the banks caved.
Quote from: IcyWind on October 17, 2014, 02:26:23 PMWhen the Stock Market did crash, the credit bubble popped, and it helped to intensify the immediate effects for citizens because none of them had the actual money to pay off their credit debts as the banks caved. My argument here is that the banks' responsibility is minimal, because the Fed operated on a very tight monetary regime which allowed nominal GDP to fall dramatically. The banking crises of the Depression happened largely in the early '30s, as opposed to '29, as the banks couldn't deal with the lack of liquidity in the market. Think of it as if the causation were reversed. The stock market crash died because the economy was suffering from a demand for money, and when the stock market did crash, it increased that demand and it just got worse and worse because the Fed didn't respond. Ben Bernanke former chairman of the Fed, has accepted this account - developed my Milton Friedman - to be factual.
Then why are you here?
How did we lower our 17 Trillion deficit below the.. what was it? less than 1 trillion deficit?
Did you ever see the movie "Too Big to Fail"?