More gun news: Trump & evidence for gun control

 
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People like you should really consider being more vocal in this whole debate man. I've been discussing this topic for a while now and can honestly count the number of reasonable pro-gun people I've encountered on both hands (and that includes people in real life). I'm sure it's no different on the other side but so many can't even get past basic platitudes ("criminals don't follow laws, that's why they're criminals duh") let alone actual facts, figures and research. It's damn refreshing being able to discuss these things with someone who doesn't just ignore most of the argument, dismiss high quality research as "garbage" because he doesn't like what the facts have to say, and thinks that "gun control doesn't work because place X has stricter rules but still high crime rates" is the argument that settles it all. More reason and logic might actually make an impact then for once.
It's an argument that I'm tired of having with the radical side of the 2a supporters, well, it's more like I'm tired of having to teach people how to argue for our side.
Of course Chicago has stupidly high gun crime despite draconian gun laws. you can just go outside of the city limits or a quick trip to Indiana or Wisconsin and pick up all the cool toys the city won't let you buy. Of course that one small town with mandatory ownership has next to no violent crime. A university town five miles away from me just had their first murder in 20-some years last winter. Twenty fuckin years without a murder. I don't think my town of 400 has ever had one. A few suicides, but never a murder, and we don't make people own guns. Of course you go a few miles in the other direction, towards "civilization" and urbanization and every day in Reading two people are burglarized and once a month someone is murdered.

But I do fall victim to some of the dumber arguments myself, likely because I'm sitting here in the middle of the east coast's major heroin artery and one county south of the land of "more meth labs than dogs" and it all colors my perception of federal law enforcement to be woefully inadequate at anything it does. So much so that some days I wonder if the feds themselves aren't furthering the opioid crisis for some hidden agenda.


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You also didn't insult me, you agreed with me.
no

i am vehemently opposed to everything you've said in this thread

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Regardless, that still was not insulting.
that doesn't mean it wasn't an insult


 
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This is not the greatest sig in the world, no. This is just a tribute.
More reasonable and better educated people from either side are better equipped to help their own camp reach a more informed and factual conclusion than "the other" is.
To some degree, sure, but then there's the fact that we're just seen as "compromisers" or "false supporters" by the rest of our side.

And really, I can fully understand the law-abiding gun owners not wanting to give a single inch more. The entire history of gun legislation and "compromise" on the subject is simply "Okay, we'll let you keep x in exchange for giving up y" or sometimes flat out "you lost popular support so we're taking away z and not giving you any consolation." and after enough of that, why wouldn't the old guys of the party dig their trenches and say "no fucking more, no matter what"


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Excuse me, I'm full of dog poison
More reasonable and better educated people from either side are better equipped to help their own camp reach a more informed and factual conclusion than "the other" is.
To some degree, sure, but then there's the fact that we're just seen as "compromisers" or "false supporters" by the rest of our side.

And really, I can fully understand the law-abiding gun owners not wanting to give a single inch more. The entire history of gun legislation and "compromise" on the subject is simply "Okay, we'll let you keep x in exchange for giving up y" or sometimes flat out "you lost popular support so we're taking away z and not giving you any consolation." and after enough of that, why wouldn't the old guys of the party dig their trenches and say "no fucking more, no matter what"

They took the mateba from me, I will not compromise any further.


 
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This is not the greatest sig in the world, no. This is just a tribute.
More reasonable and better educated people from either side are better equipped to help their own camp reach a more informed and factual conclusion than "the other" is.
To some degree, sure, but then there's the fact that we're just seen as "compromisers" or "false supporters" by the rest of our side.

And really, I can fully understand the law-abiding gun owners not wanting to give a single inch more. The entire history of gun legislation and "compromise" on the subject is simply "Okay, we'll let you keep x in exchange for giving up y" or sometimes flat out "you lost popular support so we're taking away z and not giving you any consolation." and after enough of that, why wouldn't the old guys of the party dig their trenches and say "no fucking more, no matter what"

They took the mateba from me, I will not compromise any further.
I mean you have the chiappa rhino, isn't that good enough?


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Excuse me, I'm full of dog poison
More reasonable and better educated people from either side are better equipped to help their own camp reach a more informed and factual conclusion than "the other" is.
To some degree, sure, but then there's the fact that we're just seen as "compromisers" or "false supporters" by the rest of our side.

And really, I can fully understand the law-abiding gun owners not wanting to give a single inch more. The entire history of gun legislation and "compromise" on the subject is simply "Okay, we'll let you keep x in exchange for giving up y" or sometimes flat out "you lost popular support so we're taking away z and not giving you any consolation." and after enough of that, why wouldn't the old guys of the party dig their trenches and say "no fucking more, no matter what"

They took the mateba from me, I will not compromise any further.
I mean you have the chiappa rhino, isn't that good enough?

I think you know it's not.


 
 
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Thank God we have people like Alex Jones who are defending their 2nd and 1st amendment with their blood.


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You are the worst kind of person in a debate, you just close your ears and scream you won, when the evidence proves otherwise.
Yeah, you're just a troll. Figured this was the case from your first point but didn't want to at least give you a fair chance to see if the stupidity cleared up a bit. Guess I was wrong.

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HAHAHAHAHAHA!

The only stupidity I see here is yours. You are right about you being wrong, though.
Put that mirror down! HAHAHAHA!


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You are the worst kind of person in a debate, you just close your ears and scream you won, when the evidence proves otherwise.
Yeah, you're just a troll. Figured this was the case from your first point but didn't want to at least give you a fair chance to see if the stupidity cleared up a bit. Guess I was wrong.

Spoiler
HAHAHAHAHAHA!
The only stupidity I see here is yours. You are right about you being wrong, though.
you forgot to bring up that you were an elf on everquest or whatever


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This is the serious forum


 
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so yeah

trump backing gun control policy at this stage is the equivalent of a wife beater handing over a lollipop to his wife after beating and/or raping her for over a year


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so yeah

trump backing gun control policy at this stage is the equivalent of a wife beater handing over a lollipop to his wife after beating and/or raping her for over a year
It's especially why I am glad I didn't waste my time voting for him like an idiot. I hated him when literally minutes after winning he made a speech kissing Hillary's butt. He promised us he would lock that criminal up, one of the main points of his entire campaign. He literally TOLD US she would be in jail if he were president. He was a liar just like the rest of them. He promised us more firearm freedom and is as big of a flip-flop as Barack. They should all be in prison.
i'm genuinely surprised you're not a trumpet yourself


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