More fearmongering from the pro-EU crowd

 
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EU exit could force banks to desert Britain. Fuck me.
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Wall Street banks could desert Britain if the country decides to leave the European Union, senior figures in the industry have reportedly said.

Some major institutions are believed to be already drawing up plans to move activities abroad amid concerns that the UK is drifting further away from the EU.

Most US and Asian banks currently run their main European operations from the UK, which gives them a passport to provide services across the EU. But if the UK left the European Union, it is believed to be unlikely foreign banks based in London would carry on receiving the same rights.

According to the Financial Times, US-based banks including Bank of America, Citigroup and Morgan Stanley are considering Ireland as a favourable alternative location for business currently conducted in London.
The same things were said about our refusal to join the Eurozone. What this means is that, essentially, EU operations might be established in Ireland should we leave the E.U., which is incredibly minor. The City, alongside Wall Street, is one of the financial capitals of the world with half a million people working there. The whole thing isn't going to just up and move to Ireland if we leave the E.U.

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Damn, that's a biased title.
Last Edit: August 23, 2014, 07:06:10 AM by Meta Cognition


 
 
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Dat title sounds like something that the gobshite salmond would spit out.

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Are you pro-eu or pro-exit?


 
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Dat title sounds like something that the gobshite salmond would spit out.

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Are you pro-eu or pro-exit?
I'm all about the Brexit.


 
 
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Gaddamit.
I thought you had a healthy dose of Euroscepticism yourself?


 
 
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Never been a fan of fearmongering in any way, nor do I back all of the EU's economic policies and workings, but I'm all in support of the EU.
Why?


 
 
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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
I find myself sharing many of the ideals. A united and progressive Europe where each member state still has a voice and can retain its individuality. A union that strives for a growth in prosperity, standards of living and peace both domestic and abroad.

I realize that my views and inspirations are probably different than most, but during my law studies I have come to appreciate the ECtHR and what it has done and can do for our society. And not just this particular court, but also the legislative organs. I'm willing to bet that I have extensively studied and read more EU regulations and directives than this entire forum put together. I have worked on deliverables for upcoming projects of the European Commission, and I can assure you that, by a lack of better words, this is good stuff that will help and protect a lot of people and stimulate progress.

Now, I'm no fool. I am very much aware of the problems and criticism the EU faces, especially on an economic level. And I also realize that a lot of said criticism is valid and that the current system and some policies are far from perfect. But no system is flawless, and I do believe that many of the problems the EU faces can be overcome. The current execution is far from perfect, but I still fully believe in the EU and strongly support the union.
Can't say I agree, but I'm willing to appreciate your opinion.


 
 
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Never been a fan of fearmongering in any way, nor do I back all of the EU's economic policies and workings, but I'm all in support of the EU.
Gotta keep giving all our Euromonies to the Fourth Reich.


 
 
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I thought you had a healthy dose of Euroscepticism yourself?

Over some issues, yes. But generally I'd like to see the United States of Europe someday >.>
I quite like their technocratic approach to a lot of issues and whilst it might seem like pointless and silly meddling it generally has a point and purpose. Like outlawing certain lightbulbs, vacuum cleaners and setting green energy targets etc.

I'm not of the mind that we should let the planet get run into the ground and then expect the free market to fix it for profit.


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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
Over some issues, yes. But generally I'd like to see the United States of Europe someday >.>
I quite like their technocratic approach to a lot of issues and whilst it might seem like pointless and silly meddling it generally has a point and purpose. Like outlawing certain lightbulbs, vacuum cleaners and setting green energy targets etc.

I'm not of the mind that we should let the planet get run into the ground and then expect the free market to fix it for profit.

You could draw up a long list of disasters and problems caused by "technocrats".


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Over some issues, yes. But generally I'd like to see the United States of Europe someday >.>
I quite like their technocratic approach to a lot of issues and whilst it might seem like pointless and silly meddling it generally has a point and purpose. Like outlawing certain lightbulbs, vacuum cleaners and setting green energy targets etc.

I'm not of the mind that we should let the planet get run into the ground and then expect the free market to fix it for profit.

Fuck a united states of Europe. Us Brits have earned our own federalised commonwealth.


 
 
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You could draw up a long list of disasters and problems caused by "technocrats".

And an equally, if not longer list of problems caused by politicians and statesmen can also be drawn up.

Scientists and Economists > Politicians.


 
 
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Fuck a united states of Europe. Us Brits have earned our own federalised commonwealth.

That wouldn't be particularly easy to form though <.<
If you meant that by the commonwealth >.>


 
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And an equally, if not longer list of problems caused by politicians and statesmen can also be drawn up.

Scientists and Economists > Politicians.
The Soviet scientists and economists did more damage than any politician could've possible hoped to have done.

Although, I agree with the basic sentiment. I'm just not sure how far you want to take this technocratic ideal >.>


 
 
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The Soviet scientists and economists did more damage than any politician could've possible hoped to have done.

Although, I agree with the basic sentiment. I'm just not sure how far you want to take this technocratic ideal >.>

I'd take technocracy to the ends of the earth <.<
Proper technocracy mind you, not just extended cronyism.

Take the badger cull debacle, they ignore the advice of all the scientists and insist on shooting them to appease the fucking farmers. It makes it worse, they don't kill enough of them and ohohoho look at that, ignoring scientists led to what? A mess.

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Or Mental Health services, you have Psychiatrists and The royal college putting it as bluntly as they can that it's failing millions and they keep cutting it. Do they put more funding into it? Nope. Do they slash it's budget again and again? Of course they fucking do, they are tories.

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This is why I tend to avoid political discussion, because it usually ends up with me getting pissed off >.>


 
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I'd take technocracy to the ends of the earth <.<
Proper technocracy mind you, not just extended cronyism.

Take the badger cull debacle, they ignore the advice of all the scientists and insist on shooting them to appease the fucking farmers. It makes it worse, they don't kill enough of them and ohohoho look at that, ignoring scientists led to what? A mess.

._.

Or Mental Health services, you have Psychiatrists and The royal college putting it as bluntly as they can that it's failing millions and they keep cutting it. Do they put more funding into it? Nope. Do they slash it's budget again and again? Of course they fucking do, they are tories.

o.e

This is why I tend to avoid political discussion, because it usually ends up with me getting pissed off >.>

I can understand that. But everything is fundamentally a game of economics; how you allocate the resources. You can't have all these technocratic institutions governing themselves because you still need a government to fund them and legislation is, in itself, a skill. I agree, economists should probably be listened to more, but I think the solution is to allow these elements greater autonomy in the face of the political process, not to base the government around "experts".


 
 
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Problem is, which economists should be listened to more? Economics isn't an exact science and you'll find that a lot of highly educated and intelligent economists still disagree on many of today's issues.
I'm talking about the really fuckin' obvious shit.

Subsidies, price controls, tariffs - the things which are pretty much universally supported.

The other stuff? I'm not so sure. I am hopeful when I see things like New Zealand bringing together the Keynesians and neo-Monetarists in genius ways like proposing to put fiscal stimulus under the remit of the central bank. And then you have the policies with strong academic and political support - like NGDPLT - which have little costs in comparison to the huge potential benefits.

I'm not saying economists' words should be dogma, I'm just saying that the political theatre of today ignores or politicises them far too much.