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Quote from: challengerX on August 13, 2014, 04:51:47 PM
You do not need an AR-15 or AK. If you want to defend yourself, buy a handgun or shotgun.
Why are those options any better?
I personally find the idea of a shotgun for home defense to be shit.

 
 
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Quote from: challengerX on August 13, 2014, 04:54:32 PM
Nope. The AR-15 might as well be an M16 or M4 these days. 30 round mags and a shit ton of attatchments. It's not a buzzword, it's a description of how it is a military grade weapon. ESPECIALLY the AK.

If you need an AK to kill a deer, get the fuck off the planet.
Nobody needs a 7.62 rifle to kill anything.
Nobody needs a Remington 700 either, a hunting rifle that is easily more lethal over far ranges than any "assault weapon".
I really don't understand your logic of demonizing some weapons while deeming others acceptable.

 
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I'd just like to point out, without having read any prior conversation, that weapons like the AR-15 are absolutely not the problem. People who pontificate on the unnecessary nature of owning an "assault weapon" are detracting from their own cause.

If you want to stop homicide, then crack down on handguns in the underground market.

 
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Quote from: challengerX on August 13, 2014, 05:26:06 PM
What? The more powerful your gun is, the better your chances of are of defeating the enemy and getting home.
Not necessarily.
You're forgetting the factors of reliability, bullet trajectory, stability, easy of use, maneuverability, weight, ammunition availability, and recoil management that go into selecting a service rifle. Otherwise, we'd use 6.5 Swedish , 30-06 Springfield, or 7mm-08 Remington, all more powerful cartridges than 5.56 NATO and used to hunt big game in America.

 
 
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Quote from: challengerX on August 13, 2014, 05:30:19 PM
That's obvious. But that still doesn't mean civilians should have access to an AR-15 or AK-47.
I don't see a reason for limiting that freedom, so I can't personally support such an initiative.

But I've learnt to leave American gun-culture very much alone. I will say, however, the AR-15s are legal here in England.

 
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Quote from: challengerX on August 13, 2014, 05:37:04 PM
Can you buy them at your local supermarket? No, you can't.
Nonetheless, those designed to chamber .22 rounds have the least regulated legal status in the country. Like I say, I'm not particularly connected with the issue - nor do I desire to be - but I can't see a lack of necessity to something as a justification for banning or otherwise regulating that thing.

It's essentially the same logic from people who want to use "sin taxes" or give cigarettes plain packages.

 
 
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Quote from: challengerX on August 13, 2014, 05:44:53 PM
Because it isn't necessary. A gun is not a toy. If you don't need a specific gun, you don't have it for the fuck of it.
I see no reason to punish law-abiding people for owning a certain weapon, whatever that reason is, when that weapon is not even a problem within the society.

 
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Quote from: challengerX on August 13, 2014, 04:51:47 PM
AR-15 platform is the basis for the M16 and M4.  It's military grade. Its function years and years ago is irrelevant. I'm talking about the present, and you're talking about its original purpose to try and get off with a technicality. A lot of things were invented with a different purpose in mind than the one they're actually put to use for. Cut the crap.

And the AK was designed for the Soviet military. There is no reason you need a military grade rifle as a civilian. Buy a hunting rifle. If you need anything more than 3 shots in a mag or clip you should just pack up and go home.

GPS doesn't harm anybody. Jeeps don't harm anybody. The AR-15 and AK were designed for the specific purpose of killing another human being. You do not need an AR-15 or AK. If you want to defend yourself, buy a handgun or shotgun.

And exactly why are we still discussing hunting? It's not the purpose of the 2nd Amendment as I've said many times already

It's not military grade as I've said as well. It was designed and intended for civilian use. Military grade is it being selective fire, aka a real assault rifle. There's literally nothing different than an AR-15 and a ranch rifle, as Das posted a image showing such. Only difference is the looks of the gun

So fucking what if I have more than 3-rounds? Am I hurting you by having multiple standard-capacity (30 round magazines) for my guns? There's actual reasons to have more than 3-rounds. For one, it reduces the time I have to reload when hunting. Secondly, if people break into my home then I only have seconds to grab my gun and all I have is my one magazine while the intruders can possibly have a 100+ rounds in a combined total; limiting my magazine size is limiting my chances of survival

Actually, more people die from car-related accidents than gun-related accidents every year. Why are you not trying to force drivers to be subjected to your views? And you're still not giving me a reason to not have an AR-15 or an AK. But too bad, because I'll have them forever and there's nothing you can do about it. So continue and try to say shit in order to support curbing my rights

 
 
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Quote from: challengerX on August 13, 2014, 05:59:42 PM
Because you're not a soldier. You have these weapons because you live in constant fear and you're compensating.

A glock with 19 rounds is enough. A shotgun is enough. You don't need an AK to to stop somebody from robbing your home, and the chances multiple intruders enter your home with 100+ rounds are slim to none. The odds they fire all their rounds at you are even less. You act like you're in a battlefield. You're not.

A pistol is enough. That fact that you're a pansy that feels he needs an assault rifle to defend his home doesn't change the facts.
Actually, everybody in the U.S can be part of/form a militia any time they want to be but don't have to. So guess what, every able-bodied American IS a soldier and I'm officially starting my own militia now and designate my self as commander of such militia. Don't tell me why I have these weapons. I have these weapons because I want to express my right, love to collect weaponry, and won't to be prepared if things take a bad turn. The fact you're criticize me for following my rights and beliefs is beyond pathetic and a prime example why I lost my cool with you before. I guess people who keep first aid kits or fire extinguishers live in constant fear also?

So exactly how can I have a Glock with 19 rounds when you think it's stupid for people to have over 3 rounds? Your inconsistencies are hilarious and adds to the list of why you shouldn't be discussing firearms. People like you scare the fuck out of me and have powers to regulate what I can and can not do. Hell, you're no different than Tea Baggers who try to regulate a person's marriage decisions and immigration choices; same exact shit, different side. But what about the time multiple intruders DO come into my home? I rather to prepared and not have anything to happen then to not be prepared and then have something happen. Please refer back to my point of keeping first aid kits and fire extinguishers

Again with the pathetic insults and pointless attacks? I'll be happy with using my semi-auto rifle to defend myself because I can

 
 
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Quote from: Flee on August 13, 2014, 06:30:48 PM
Unfortunately this probably won't pass, but still good news.

>restricting rights
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