Missouri Dems pushing for gun confiscation

Kinder Graham · August 11, 2014, 11:42:59 PM

http://www.examiner.com/article/missouri-democrats-propose-law-giving-gun-owners-90-days-to-turn-weapons

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Missouri Democrats have introduced a measure that if passed into law, would give owners of certain types of "assault" weapons 90 days to either turn them in to authorities, disable them or ship them out of the state, Jim Hoft reported at the Gateway Pundit Thursday.

According to House Bill 545, "assault" rifles are defined as any semi-automatic rifle with a detachable magazine that has one or more of the following characteristics:

a. A pistol grip or thumbhole stock;

b. Any feature capable of functioning as a protruding grip that can be held by the nontrigger hand;

c. A folding or telescoping stock; or

d. A shroud attached to the barrel, or that partially or completely encircles the barrel, allowing the bearer to hold the firearm with the nontrigger hand without being burned, but excluding a slide that encloses the barrel.

The law also applies to certain semi-automatic pistols and semi-automatic shotguns with similar characteristics.

Democrats in the state also want to confiscate pistols or rifles with fixed magazines that can hold more than ten rounds of ammunition.

those who violate it will be charged with a Class C felony, punishable by up to seven years in prison.

I've heard it countless times that Democrats are not wanting to take away guns, they just want to restrict guns. Well guess fucking what, if some suburban single mom doesn't turn in her AR-15 if this is passed then she will be a FELON and be put in prison for SEVEN YEARS. How many times does it said that gun control and confiscation leads to innocent civilians being unable to defend themselves and treated as a criminal while a murderer can get off or make a plea bargain?

And what the fuck is an "assault weapon"? Assault weapons are more made up than those WMDs Bush ranted about/ Plus, an assault rifle is SELECTIVE FIRE, meaning it has full-auto capabilities. AR-15s and every other non-Class 3 weapon is semi-automatic. Don't give shit that it's "military-grade". the AR-15 was produced BEFORE a military version of the platform was ever made

/rant

DAS B00T x2 · August 11, 2014, 11:48:56 PM

That is never going to pass.
Unfortunate, too. We need to get those big, black, scary weapons out of our states!

Juuzou · August 11, 2014, 11:54:29 PM

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Magos Domina · August 12, 2014, 12:02:06 AM

People are still overly defensive of their guns?

Kinder Graham · August 12, 2014, 12:03:41 AM

Quote from: Kiyohime on August 12, 2014, 12:02:06 AM

People are still overly defensive of their guns?

Just as how people are overly defensive with their speech

Words start revolutions. Guns fight revolutions

Juuzou · August 12, 2014, 12:05:28 AM

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Magos Domina · August 12, 2014, 12:08:34 AM

Quote from: Kinder_ on August 12, 2014, 12:03:41 AM

Just as how people are overly defensive with their speech

Words start revolutions. Guns fight revolutions

You can't really compare owning an assault weapon with speech.

Not to sound like a troll but I will sit back and watch the fireworks when the crazies start their "revolution".

Cry about gun rights all you like, I think some people are going over board with owning shit like this

Kinder Graham · August 12, 2014, 01:00:02 AM

Quote from: Kiyohime on August 12, 2014, 12:08:34 AM

You can't really compare owning an assault weapon with speech.

Not to sound like a troll but I will sit back and watch the fireworks when the crazies start their "revolution".

Cry about gun rights all you like, I think some people are going over board with owning shit like this

There's no such thing as "assault weapons" though and that gun is no different from a ranch rifle. Only difference is the looks and as a gun owner, looks mean jack shit on how the gun performs. Each fire the same caliber, which actually causes damage

And how is it overboard? I assume you don't like it when conservatives and religious people try to control gays. It's the same for us gun owners. What we keep in our homes isn't hurting you, is it? We're not going out and killing people, that's criminals who do so

DAS B00T x2 · August 12, 2014, 09:56:30 AM

Quote from: Kiyohime on August 12, 2014, 12:08:34 AM

You can't really compare owning an assault weapon with speech.

Not to sound like a troll but I will sit back and watch the fireworks when the crazies start their "revolution".

Cry about gun rights all you like, I think some people are going over board with owning shit like this

This is relevant.

Magos Domina · August 12, 2014, 10:04:15 AM

Quote from: DAS B00T x2 on August 12, 2014, 09:56:30 AM

This is relevant.

Gun B in your picture is just an aesthetically modern version of gun A.

That post was kinda irrelevant.

DAS B00T x2 · August 12, 2014, 10:09:38 AM

Quote from: Kiyohime on August 12, 2014, 10:04:15 AM

Gun B in your picture is just an aesthetically modern version of gun A.

That post was kinda irrelevant.

Not really, since what you posted was just a semi-auto rifle that comes chambered in either .223 or .22LR that looked scary.

Kinder Graham · August 12, 2014, 10:58:03 AM

Quote from: Kiyohime on August 12, 2014, 10:04:15 AM

Gun B in your picture is just an aesthetically modern version of gun A.

That post was kinda irrelevant.

It's not irrelevant. You want to see gun B go when, like you said, is just an aesthetically modern version of gun A. Nothing about gun B is more dangerous than gun A so why ban it? It's no different than the fear mongering against blacks; it's discrimination based on looks

Reciffo_Smmoc · August 12, 2014, 07:26:57 PM

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I_IRONMAN_I · August 12, 2014, 09:15:58 PM

Quote from: Weed Commando on August 12, 2014, 07:26:57 PM

Nobody gives a shit.

/thread

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Auspicious Rose · August 12, 2014, 10:31:43 PM

"hurr durr mah gunz!"

People who are actually paranoid enough to own guns typically have an IQ below 90 and usually vote Conservatard.

Kinder Graham · August 12, 2014, 10:37:16 PM

Reciffo_Smmoc · August 12, 2014, 10:56:21 PM

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challengerX · August 13, 2014, 09:33:30 AM

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Magos Domina · August 13, 2014, 09:35:46 AM

Quote from: challengerX on August 13, 2014, 09:33:30 AM

Except the AR-15 is military grade and you can put a ton of military grade attatchments on it. You DON'T need an AR-15 to go hunting. Or an AK.

These are military grade weapons that have no place other than a battlefield.

Exactly my point, but the pro-gun group think that the only difference is appearance.

You want a shotgun or pistol for home defence, a hunting rifle to go hunting, fine but you don't need an AK for either.

Kinder Graham · August 13, 2014, 10:11:43 AM

Quote from: challengerX on August 13, 2014, 09:33:30 AM

Except the AR-15 is military grade and you can put a ton of military grade attatchments on it. You DON'T need an AR-15 to go hunting. Or an AK.

These are military grade weapons that have no place other than a battlefield.

AR-15 is NOT military grade. The AR-15 was designed by ArmaLite as a sporter rifle. It was years afterwards that the government started to produce similar style guns for military use

And guess what, the 2nd Amendment wasn't made to protect hunting. It was designed for self-defense, more specifically by the government. Have you also even heard of the Girandori? It's an 18th century rifle that had a feeding system of 20 rounds, which many of the Founding Fathers and American citizens had during the time. Oh, and what about the puckle gun which is essentially the ancestor to the gattling gun which saw service in the 18th century also?

But tell me exactly why I can't go hunting with an AR-15 or an AK? The 7.62x39 round is perfect for game such as deer. AR-15's also come in various calibers such as .22lr, 5.56, .223, 7.62x39, and .308. Each caliber is effective for different game sizes.

If you're going to discuss guns, then know what you're talking about. There's a reason why I don't discuss climate change all too often because it's a subject I'm not educated all that much like others are

Kinder Graham · August 13, 2014, 10:25:16 AM

Quote from: Kiyohime on August 13, 2014, 09:35:46 AM

Exactly my point, but the pro-gun group think that the only difference is appearance.

You want a shotgun or pistol for home defence, a hunting rifle to go hunting, fine but you don't need an AK for either.

Again, the purpose of the 2nd Amendment isn't to protect hunting. It's to protect the people from the government, foreign invaders, and to ensure self-defense.

Exactly why can't I have my AK for home defense or take hunting? Shotguns shoot pellets everywhere which can not only damage parts of my house but possibly send a few flying into the wall and hitting a family member or a pet. An AK or AR-15 allows me to fires one bullet with one trigger pull, thus eliminating collateral damage and ot having an intruder as badly damaged so he can be arrested and thrown into prison

AK's are also chambered perfectly to take down game such as deer so I for 1.) Don't waste more ammo taking it down 2.) Don't have to continuously harm it by constantly shooting it and 3.) Don't ruin the fur or meat because I used a larger caliber. Using something like a .308 or .30-30 caliber would end up wasting a lot of meat and fur

challengerX · August 13, 2014, 10:45:58 AM

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Kinder Graham · August 13, 2014, 10:52:53 AM

Quote from: challengerX on August 13, 2014, 10:45:58 AM

AR-15 is military grade. You don't need it to hunt with, same with an AK.

You can make all the excuses you want and try to point out technicalities as if it makes a difference, but the fact of the matter is these are rifles soldiers use. You don't need them for self defense. A rifle is not a good idea for self defense, you're much better off with a Glock that can hold 19 rounds to defend yourself.

I love how you're avoiding facts here. AR-15s were designed for civilian use. And please, give me a reasonable reason why I don't need to hunt with one or an AK. So far you're just spewing shit and not giving a reason. Your opinion has officially been discarded

You're the one making excuses here. I'm giving real reasons why an AR-15 or AK is fine to have. You're not doing anything to give a reason why it's not okay to have. As I said, your opinion has no meaning because you refuse to come up with a reason

GPS was designed for the military. I guess civilians can't use GPS then. Not going to give an explanation because you're not giving one yourself.

Jeeps were designed for the military as well. Guess civilians can't drive them either. And again, not giving a reason as you're not giving a reason yourself

A rifle is a good idea for self defense. For one it comes in various calibers, such as .22lr. .22lr is a weaker caliber than something like 5.56. Each caliber has a fuction

rC · August 13, 2014, 11:47:37 AM

WAAAH I CANT OWN MASS MURDER TOOLS
grow up

Kinder Graham · August 13, 2014, 11:48:24 AM

Quote from: RC5908 on August 13, 2014, 11:47:37 AM

WAAAH I CANT OWN MASS MURDER TOOLS
grow up

And yet rifles make up less than 1% of gun crimes. Good going fucktard

rC · August 13, 2014, 11:49:46 AM

Quote from: Kinder_ on August 13, 2014, 11:48:24 AM

I'M SO DESPERATE TO FEEL ADEQUATE THAT I HAVE TO DEFEND OWNING MASS MURDER TOOLS

you need help

Kinder Graham · August 13, 2014, 11:51:13 AM

Quote from: RC5908 on August 13, 2014, 11:49:46 AM

you need help

Actually, you need help. Your shit-tier attempts at trolling are on the same skill of autism of Comms and Sentra. You're pathetic and if you have nothing to contribute then go back to the circle-jerk on Bnet

rC · August 13, 2014, 11:51:56 AM

Quote from: Kinder_ on August 13, 2014, 11:51:13 AM

Actually, you need help. Your shit-tier attempts at trolling are on the same skill of autism of Comms and Sentra. You're pathetic and if you have nothing to contribute then go back to the circle-jerk on Bnet

you really are sensitive about your guns. do you have a small appendage that you're compensating for?

Magos Domina · August 13, 2014, 12:05:11 PM

RC and Kinder don't make me lock this thread.

DAS B00T x2 · August 13, 2014, 02:33:47 PM

Quote from: challengerX on August 13, 2014, 10:45:58 AM

AR-15 is military grade. You don't need it to hunt with, same with an AK.

Definitely not, since no modern army would send it's forces to battle with only a semi-automatic rifle and the platform was developed for sport shooting before Colt arms produced the M-16 from Stoner's AR-15 design.
AK's are wonderful weapons to hunt larger game with though, provided you're not trying to take 300 yard shots, which most deer hunters wouldn't try for with any rifle.

Besides, "military grade" is such a joke of a buzzword these days.