A man in the Netherlands has been allowed to die because he could no longer carry on living as an alcoholic. Mark Langedijk chose the day of his death and was telling jokes, drinking beer and eating ham sandwiches with his family hours before he passed away.He was killed by lethal injection at his parents’ home on 14 July, according to an account of the ordeal written by his brother and published in the magazine Linda.The Netherlands introduced a euthanasia law 16 years ago, which is available to people in “unbearable suffering” with no prospect of improvement.Marcel Langedijk wrote his brother had a “happy childhood” and was loved by both his parents, and only found out he had an addiction eight years ago.“I was particularly angry at Mark,” he said. “At first we did what most people do; help. My parents especially have done everything humanly possible to save Mark.”His parents continued to believe in a “happy ending” despite eight years of help and 21 stints in rehab. Eventually, Mr Langedijk told his family he wanted to die, but the family originally took the news with “a grain of salt”.But his brother had no second thoughts. His application for euthanasia was approved by a doctor from the Support and Consultation on Euthanasia in the Netherlands.On the day of his death, he “laughed, drank, smoked, ate ham and cheese sandwiches and soup with meatballs” until his doctor arrived at his parents’ home at 3.15pm.His doctor explained the procedure, before telling Mr Landedijk to get into bed and to stay calm. At this point, they all “started crying, my parents, everyone actually, even Mark”.“We cried, told each other that we loved each other, that it would be all right, that we would care for each other, that we would see each other again, we held each other,” he said. “If it was not so terrible, it would have been nice.“Mark's eyes turned away, he sighed deeply. His last. Dr Marijke injected the third syringe. His face changed, lost color. My little brother was dead.”More than 5,500 people ended their life using Holland’s euthanasia laws last year. One of those who died was a sex abuse victim who suffered severe anorexia, chronic depression and hallucinations.Fiona Bruce, a Conservative MP, told the Daily Mail news of Mr Landedijk's death was "deeply concerning and yet another reason why assisted suicide and euthanasia must never be introduced into the UK".“What someone suffering from alcoholism needs is support and treatment to get better from their addiction – which can be provided – not to be euthanised," she added.“It is once again a troubling sign of how legalised euthanasia undermines in other countries the treatment and help the most vulnerable should receive.”Responding to Mrs Bruce, Marcel Langedijk told the Independent: "You can close your eyes to it and keep telling yourself everyone is curable but the fact remains, not everyone is."My brother suffered from depression and anxiety and tried to 'cure' it with alcohol. He's from a normal family, he did not want this to happen. He did not take an easy way out. Just a humane one."If that's troubling for Mrs Bruce that's a pity. I am just glad my brother did not have to jump in front of a train or live a few more years in agony before dying of his abuse."Alcoholism and depression are illnesses, just like cancer. People who suffer from it need a humane way out."It's not like we go around killing people in Holland. It took my brother a year and a half and many struggles to get it done."
I am just glad my brother did not have to jump in front of a train or live a few more years in agony before dying of his abuse.
I think everything should be tried before giving up. But in other cases, such as rape victims or worse, let them go out peacefully.
The way they word it makes it sound like pretty much everything had been tried.
Even if you're mentally impaired. You don't get your rights stripped away because you're not sane.
Quote from: SecondClass on November 30, 2016, 12:49:50 PMEven if you're mentally impaired. You don't get your rights stripped away because you're not sane.A mentally ill person wouldn't have the proper capacity to exercise these "rights" you keep jerking off over.Think, before you speak.
Quote from: REMOVE NARCOS on November 30, 2016, 12:56:00 PMQuote from: SecondClass on November 30, 2016, 12:49:50 PMEven if you're mentally impaired. You don't get your rights stripped away because you're not sane.A mentally ill person wouldn't have the proper capacity to exercise these "rights" you keep jerking off over.Think, before you speak.Yes, they would. Your human rights are inalienable. If you're concerned about your possibly future mentally ill self exercising a right you don't want to, make this clear in a note.Otherwise, you can't strip away that right because of a mental condition. What if you're in unimaginable emotional pain constantly, but you're denied euthanasia because you have a screw loose? NO ONE has an obligation to live, especially people who might have a permanent mental condition.
One of those who died was a sex abuse victim who suffered severe anorexia, chronic depression and hallucinations.
The point is that not being of sound mind doesn't bar you from choosing to not live. What if someone has a permanent mental condition? Are they destined to live in their hell forever until they decide to jump in front of a car?Same with depression. It's a terrible illness, but you're not obligated to fight it It's YOUR life, and you have every right to opt out.
I guess that makes sense. I just don't like the concept where we get to choose who gets to exercise their rights and who doesn't.I can't imagine being someone who has legitimately chosen to die and have some out of touch doctor say "No, you're not allowed."
For this and abortion I've been of the opinion that it should be allowed under specific circumstances, but not promoted to the whole public as something normal, it's a final solution to a problem with no other easy answer, and letting it become widespread just breaks people's judgement of value.
Quote from: Azendac on November 30, 2016, 03:35:39 PMFor this and abortion I've been of the opinion that it should be allowed under specific circumstances, but not promoted to the whole public as something normal, it's a final solution to a problem with no other easy answer, and letting it become widespread just breaks people's judgement of value.Well naturally it's not something to promote, but I don't think it's going to make people value life any less if it becomes a 'normal' occurrence. Normal as in, not newsworthy, rather than frequent in day to day life.
In any other society in history, a woman deciding to have unprotected sex with multiple men just for the fun of it, would be considered cause to disown her.