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I DONT GIVE A SINGLE -blam!- MOTHER -blam!-ER ITS A MOTHER -blam!-ING FORUM, OH WOW, YOU HAVE THE WORD NINJA BELOW YOUR NAME, HOW MOTHER -blam!-ING COOL, NOT, YOUR ARE NOTHING TO ME BUT A BRAINWASHED PIECE OF SHIT BLOGGER, PEOPLE ONLY LIKE YOU BECAUSE YOU HAVE NINJA BELOW YOUR NAME, SO PLEASE PUNCH YOURAELF IN THE FACE AND STAB YOUR EYE BECAUSE YOU ARE NOTHING BUT A PIECE OF SHIT OF SOCIETY
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This is not the greatest sig in the world, no. This is just a tribute.
It's the jarhead's own fucking fault that he hooked up with a transgirl. That's the default assumed status of Filipino callgirls.


 
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I DONT GIVE A SINGLE -blam!- MOTHER -blam!-ER ITS A MOTHER -blam!-ING FORUM, OH WOW, YOU HAVE THE WORD NINJA BELOW YOUR NAME, HOW MOTHER -blam!-ING COOL, NOT, YOUR ARE NOTHING TO ME BUT A BRAINWASHED PIECE OF SHIT BLOGGER, PEOPLE ONLY LIKE YOU BECAUSE YOU HAVE NINJA BELOW YOUR NAME, SO PLEASE PUNCH YOURAELF IN THE FACE AND STAB YOUR EYE BECAUSE YOU ARE NOTHING BUT A PIECE OF SHIT OF SOCIETY
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This is not the greatest sig in the world, no. This is just a tribute.
It's the jarhead's own fucking fault that he hooked up with a transgirl. That's the default assumed status of Filipino callgirls.
You're just mad that he's a Corporal and you're a Private.
No, I'm just mad that all these people who don't want qt Taiwanese ladyboy gf find themselves in these situations and I don't.


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Obviously, if you're trans, it's simply common courtesy to let whoever you're hooking up with know that you're not cis.

You'd think she would know that not everyone's going to be comfortable with that.


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What are your thoughts on transgenders not letting the person they're about to have sex with know that they're trans?

Uh, the person just doesn't have sex with them. Not telling someone your genital situation has no bearing on the oral sex agreement. If the situation had ended with oral sex and he didn't touch her privates, this "rape" wouldn't have even been felt.

Consent wasn't violated literally anywhere. Guy wanted to get his dick blown by a woman, he got his dick blown by a woman. Just so happens that woman is genetically male. Turns out, expressed gender actually matters more than birth sex because no straight man wants to bang a ftm.


 
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This is not the greatest sig in the world, no. This is just a tribute.
Godspeed, Jarhead.


 
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I DONT GIVE A SINGLE -blam!- MOTHER -blam!-ER ITS A MOTHER -blam!-ING FORUM, OH WOW, YOU HAVE THE WORD NINJA BELOW YOUR NAME, HOW MOTHER -blam!-ING COOL, NOT, YOUR ARE NOTHING TO ME BUT A BRAINWASHED PIECE OF SHIT BLOGGER, PEOPLE ONLY LIKE YOU BECAUSE YOU HAVE NINJA BELOW YOUR NAME, SO PLEASE PUNCH YOURAELF IN THE FACE AND STAB YOUR EYE BECAUSE YOU ARE NOTHING BUT A PIECE OF SHIT OF SOCIETY
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Uh, the person just doesn't have sex with them. Not telling someone your genital situation has no bearing on the oral sex agreement. If the situation had ended with oral sex and he didn't touch her privates, this "rape" wouldn't have even been felt.

Consent wasn't violated literally anywhere. Guy wanted to get his dick blown by a woman, he got his dick blown by a woman. Just so happens that woman is genetically male. Turns out, expressed gender actually matters more than birth sex because no straight man wants to bang a ftm.
obviously, when it comes to sex, your biological sex does matter to people--otherwise he wouldn't have killed her
(not saying it was justified)

it matters to me

sorry--i'd only ever want to receive or give oral sex to a cisgendered female
that's my preference
Last Edit: December 01, 2015, 10:05:41 AM by Verbatim


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Shouldn't he just be happy he got blown by a pretty person?


 
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This is not the greatest sig in the world, no. This is just a tribute.
Uh, the person just doesn't have sex with them. Not telling someone your genital situation has no bearing on the oral sex agreement. If the situation had ended with oral sex and he didn't touch her privates, this "rape" wouldn't have even been felt.

Consent wasn't violated literally anywhere. Guy wanted to get his dick blown by a woman, he got his dick blown by a woman. Just so happens that woman is genetically male. Turns out, expressed gender actually matters more than birth sex because no straight man wants to bang a ftm.
obviously, when it comes to sex, your biological sex does matter to people--otherwise he wouldn't have killed her

it matters to me

sorry--i'd only ever want to receive or give oral sex to a cisgendered female
that's my preference
Why? Afraid of being called a faggot?


 
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Literally what
Genitals aren't relevant information unless the sexual acts involve the genitals.


 
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Literally what
Genitals aren't relevant information unless the sexual acts involve the genitals.
speak for yourself


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Definitely not an excuse to kill someone.

idk, from what I've read it seems like transgendered people can have a hard time hooking up with others because of their condition. To require disclosure before anything is initiated seems unreasonable to me as I figure that there are a number of people who, upon being committed to getting intimate, will no longer care if they are transgendered or not where they might have avoided the situation entirely to begin with.

Once you know that they have genitals other than the ones you thought they had, you can back out or keep going. That's when they tell you or when they show you. I don't really understand how this could be considered rape. . . .


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Uh, the person just doesn't have sex with them. Not telling someone your genital situation has no bearing on the oral sex agreement. If the situation had ended with oral sex and he didn't touch her privates, this "rape" wouldn't have even been felt.

Consent wasn't violated literally anywhere. Guy wanted to get his dick blown by a woman, he got his dick blown by a woman. Just so happens that woman is genetically male. Turns out, expressed gender actually matters more than birth sex because no straight man wants to bang a ftm.
obviously, when it comes to sex, your biological sex does matter to people--otherwise he wouldn't have killed her
(not saying it was justified)

it matters to me

sorry--i'd only ever want to receive or give oral sex to a cisgendered female
that's my preference
Why does it matter in the context of oral sex.


 
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To require disclosure before anything is initiated seems unreasonable to me as I figure that there are a number of people who, upon being committed to getting intimate, will no longer care if they are transgendered or not where they might have avoided the situation entirely to begin with.
there are also a number of people, like me, who are always going to care

i can love men, women, transmen, and transwomen all the same
i can be intimate with them all the same

but i'm only willing to be sexual with one of those four things, and that's ciswomen
therefore, i'm someone who would appreciate a bit of honesty and disclosure

call me a bigot


 
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Why does it matter in the context of oral sex.
because that's not my sexual preference
it's that simple

you can't apply logic to sex like that, because sexual preference is not rooted in logic

it's rooted in biology, which is anything but logical

so regardless, i can't help what i like
Last Edit: December 01, 2015, 10:21:39 AM by Verbatim


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Why does it matter in the context of oral sex.
because that's not my sexual preference
it's that simple

sexual preference is not rooted in logic or rationality, it's rooted in biology

which is anything but rational or logical

regardless, i can't help what i like
Except biologically your dick gets hard because of things about a woman other than her genitals. Features which a transwoman exhibits.


No one is saying you have to have sex. It's just not reasonable to charge someone over this.
Last Edit: December 01, 2015, 10:27:17 AM by eggsalad


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To require disclosure before anything is initiated seems unreasonable to me as I figure that there are a number of people who, upon being committed to getting intimate, will no longer care if they are transgendered or not where they might have avoided the situation entirely to begin with.
there are also a number of people, like me, who are always going to care

i can love men, women, transmen, and transwomen all the same
i can be intimate with them all the same

but i'm only willing to be sexual with one of those four things, and that's ciswomen
therefore, i'm someone who would appreciate a bit of honesty and disclosure

call me a bigot
I don't blame you and I don't think you qualify for bigot. ;P

Personally, I don't know if I'd go so far as oral sex before disclosing if I were in that situation. I just don't know what it's like, other than from what I've heard. But the fact that I wouldn't do it still has no bearing on whether or not it's right or wrong.

For me the contentious part is whether or not it was OK to let the guy touch her genitals without knowing what to expect. I'm comparing it to flashing and how that would be received between different gender situations but I was under the impression that rape had to involve penetration by lawful definition. Would this maybe be sexual assault?
Last Edit: December 01, 2015, 10:26:56 AM by Tsirist


 
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Except biologically your dick gets hard because of things about a woman other than her genitals. Features which a transwoman exhibits.
"biologically female" is not a feature that a transwoman can exhibit

...sorry to say

my stupid bigot paranoid brain doesn't like being played with like that
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No one is saying you have to have sex.
no one is saying that you're saying i have to have sex
that's vastly irrelevant


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Except biologically your dick gets hard because of things about a woman other than her genitals. Features which a transwoman exhibits.
"biologically female" is not a feature that a transwoman can exhibit
So when you look at pictures of people on a screen do you somehow automatically know what their birth gender was or are you just not aroused by anyone period until you know what they were born as?


 
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I'm not surprised it was a marine who did it

Also not surprised how the discussion in the thread is turning out
Last Edit: December 01, 2015, 10:34:51 AM by Luciana


 
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Except biologically your dick gets hard because of things about a woman other than her genitals. Features which a transwoman exhibits.
"biologically female" is not a feature that a transwoman can exhibit
So when you look at pictures of people on a screen do you somehow automatically know what their birth gender was or are you just not aroused by anyone period until you know what they were born as?
Ceci n'est pas une pipe. An image of a woman isn't a woman--it's an image of a woman. Whether or not the woman featured was biologically male at one point is of no concern of mine, because images allow me to project my own fantasies on them.

In real life, things get a little more complicated. If I'm told after the fact that she was trans all along, and that she was a man at one point, it kinda shatters my entire perception of her, and I just wouldn't be able to shake it off. The idea of a man blowing me makes me uncomfortable, so, naturally, the idea of a transwoman blowing me makes me uncomfortable, too.

I fully concede that this is irrational thinking, but what exactly am I supposed to do about it?
Just "get over it"?

Should I be okay with guys blowing me, too, as a straight male? Because both men and women have mouths?
That's what egg seems to be saying, anyway.


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Except biologically your dick gets hard because of things about a woman other than her genitals. Features which a transwoman exhibits.
"biologically female" is not a feature that a transwoman can exhibit
So when you look at pictures of people on a screen do you somehow automatically know what their birth gender was or are you just not aroused by anyone period until you know what they were born as?
Ceci n'est pas une pipe. An image of a woman isn't a woman--it's an image of a woman. Whether or not the woman featured was biologically male at one point is of no concern of mine, because images allow me to project my own fantasies on them.

In real life, things get a little more complicated. If I'm told after the fact that she was trans all along, and that she was a man at one point, it kinda shatters my entire perception of her, and I just wouldn't be able to shake it off. The idea of a man blowing me makes me uncomfortable, so, naturally, the idea of a transwoman blowing me makes me uncomfortable, too.

I fully concede that this is irrational thinking, but what exactly am I supposed to do about it?
Just "get over it"?

Should I be okay with guys blowing me, too, as a straight male? Because both men and women have mouths?
That's what egg seems to be saying, anyway.
Should we criminally charge someone for "deceiving" you by not having to account for every individual's personal irrationality?
Last Edit: December 01, 2015, 10:50:16 AM by eggsalad


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Nah I still feel what you're saying. Just thought your response was kind of a strange one there.

My feelings are still mixed on the extent of the wrongness/pain that can be caused in risking the shattering of the perception of someone that you mention.


 
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Should we criminally charge someone for "deceiving" you by not having to account every individual's personal irrationality?
Obviously not. I never actually said anything about criminally charging anyone.

The term I used was "common courtesy," which I'm gonna stand my ground on.

It should be common courtesy to let potential lovers know of your trans/cis status before any activity begins.
Last Edit: December 01, 2015, 10:57:23 AM by Verbatim