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Laughing my ass off if you legitimately believe animal shelters use euthanasia when killing their animals.

They probably just give them some fluoridated tap water, huh?
This is Serious. Ease up on the shitposting.


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Laughing my ass off if you legitimately believe animal shelters use euthanasia when killing their animals.

They probably just give them some fluoridated tap water, huh?
This is Serious. Ease up on the shitposting.
I'm simply responding to your posts with the degree of respect you've earned in your time here.


 
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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
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Laughing my ass off if you legitimately believe animal shelters use euthanasia when killing their animals.

They probably just give them some fluoridated tap water, huh?
This is Serious. Ease up on the shitposting.
I'm simply responding to your posts with the degree of respect you've earned in your time here.
Nice ad hominem

Also, there is fluoride in tap water. This is an undisputed fact. So trying to attack my character by bringing that up is idiotic.


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Also, there is fluoride in tap water. This is an undisputed fact. So trying to attack my character by bringing that up is idiotic.

I'm bringing it up because you're notoriously uninformed on almost every social/political issue you talk about on here (see: "Laughing my ass off if you legitimately believe animal shelters use euthanasia when killing their animals.")

I guess they just bludgeon them to death with the nearest baseball bat, eh?


 
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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
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Also, there is fluoride in tap water. This is an undisputed fact. So trying to attack my character by bringing that up is idiotic.

I'm bringing it up because you're notoriously uninformed on almost every social/political issue you talk about on here (see: "Laughing my ass off if you legitimately believe animal shelters use euthanasia when killing their animals.")

I guess they just bludgeon them to death with the nearest baseball bat, eh?
No, they paralyze them while introducing a poison to their body that kills them in 5-10 minutes. Just like how lethal injections in prisons are performed.

And I'm uninformed? You think that aspartame isn't harmful, for fucks sake.


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No, they paralyze them while introducing a poison to their body that kills them in 5-10 minutes. Just like how lethal injections in prisons are performed.
That's called 'euthanasia'.
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And I'm uninformed? You think that aspartame isn't harmful, for fucks sake.
As does the overwhelming majority of scientific research. In fact, there isn't a single peer-reviewed study that indicates anything but massive doses of aspartame are unhealthy, doses so high you'd die from water intoxication far before you could manage it.


 
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No, they paralyze them while introducing a poison to their body that kills them in 5-10 minutes. Just like how lethal injections in prisons are performed.
That's called 'euthanasia'.
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And I'm uninformed? You think that aspartame isn't harmful, for fucks sake.
As does the overwhelming majority of scientific research. In fact, there isn't a single peer-reviewed study that indicates anything but massive doses of aspartame are unhealthy, doses so high you'd die from water intoxication far before you could manage it.
If by "peer-reviewed" you mean "government-funded".

And no. Euthanasia is harmless. Lethal injections aren't.


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And no. Euthanasia is harmless. Lethal injections aren't.

You just confirmed you have no idea what you're talking about.


 
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And no. Euthanasia is harmless. Lethal injections aren't.

You just confirmed you have no idea what you're talking about.
You just confirmed you have no fucking idea how people are actually executed. Euthanasia is expensive. The way that criminals are executed is simply introducing a paralytic and poison to the body. The poison is cheap and kills in 10 or so minutes, while the paralytic exists to stop the criminal from having convulsions. Seriously, do some research before you insinuate that all executions (especially animal executions) are done with a chemical as costly as euthanasia.


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And no. Euthanasia is harmless. Lethal injections aren't.

You just confirmed you have no idea what you're talking about.
You just confirmed you have no fucking idea how people are actually executed. Euthanasia is expensive. The way that criminals are executed is simply introducing a paralytic and poison to the body. The poison is cheap and kills in 10 or so minutes, while the paralytic exists to stop the criminal from having convulsions. Seriously, do some research before you insinuate that all executions (especially animal executions) are done with a chemical as costly as euthanasia.
Euthanasia is the process of lethal injection of an animal, either with or without a paralytic beforehand. You keep referring to euthanasia as if that's a kind of drug -- it is not; it's the actual process of killing the animal via chemical injection. There are several drugs used, like Euthasol, which are all basically just Sodium Pentobarbital (the same thing used in human lethal injection for its painless, gentle death). When paralytics are used it's because the animal is frightened and attempting to euthanize them may cause undue panic or pain (the needle has to be inserted precisely into the vein).


 
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Regardless, I know for a fact that executions aren't painless. They don't use Euthasol for executions, then.


 
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This is not the greatest sig in the world, no. This is just a tribute.
Lethal injection is basically a heroin overdose, which apparently feels pretty fucking wonderful unless you get revived.


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Regardless, I know for a fact that executions aren't painless. They don't use Euthasol for executions, then.

Any pain you might think is being felt is likely just fear; that's what the paralytic is used for.

Sure, holding a puppy and blowing its brains out may be less scary, but shepherds have a very high adoption rate and since the guy was responsible for their birth (via not spaying his dog or trying to breed without knowing how), he really owed those puppies a bit more of a chance (and dignity) than being shot at 12 weeks old.


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Sure, holding a puppy and blowing its brains out may be less scary, but shepherds have a very high adoption rate and since the guy was responsible for their birth (via not spaying his dog or trying to breed without knowing how), he really owed those puppies a bit more of a chance (and dignity) than being shot at 12 weeks old.
I think while we can say that this event is most definitely avoidable and it's his fault it wasn't avoided, I think we can also agree that the difference between putting those dogs in shelters and quickly ending their lives is minimal. Shelters have plenty of animals to be giving away already and now they won't have these few as burdens for whatever duration they would stay there.

As for the puppies, they're dead, they can't know the difference.
Dignity is just a concept designed to make things appear neater than they are (the only negative experience these pups had from being shot rather than injected is hearing the gunshot for the one in front of them) so humans don't feel as bad when they look at the scene. But any rational person can recognize that that is a purely emotional distinction and that the two method are effectively equal in terms of humanity.

You can say that no animals should be killed, yeah, but that really just makes this specific event completely unimportant compared to other issues.



also this topic just reminded me of that one marine who threw puppies off a cliff
i hope he lost his fucking legs and someone threw him down a flight
Last Edit: September 23, 2015, 04:17:35 PM by eggsalad


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Sure, holding a puppy and blowing its brains out may be less scary, but shepherds have a very high adoption rate and since the guy was responsible for their birth (via not spaying his dog or trying to breed without knowing how), he really owed those puppies a bit more of a chance (and dignity) than being shot at 12 weeks old.
I think while we can say that this event is most definitely avoidable and it's his fault it wasn't avoided, I think we can also agree that the difference between putting those dogs in shelters and quickly ending their lives is minimal. Shelters have plenty of animals to be giving away already and now they won't have these few as burdens for whatever duration they would stay there.

As for the puppies, they're dead, they can't know the difference.
Dignity is just a concept designed to make things appear neater than they are (the only negative experience these pups had from being shot rather than injected is hearing the gunshot for the one in front of them) so humans don't feel as bad when they look at the scene. But any rational person can recognize that that is a purely emotional distinction and that the two method are effectively equal in terms of humanity.
You guys have been repeatedly making it sound like I'm concerned about how the person feels; I'm not talking about which method is 'easier' for the killer, I'm talking about the ethical ramifications of executing a dog versus euthanizing them after an extended duration in a shelter. Statistically, most of those puppies would have been adopted within a few weeks. Shepherd puppies are incredibly popular. It's galling that the word 'humanity' is being thrown around in a situation involving an irresponsible owner trying to kill puppies that were born because he refused to spay his dog. Is shooting a dog a particularly heinous act? No, especially when that dog has no real emotional connection (because ultimately, the dog's value is almost entirely determined by their owner). In this case, was shooting the dogs the best course of action? Obviously not. I'm not making a sweeping argument for dropping puppies off at a crowded shelter on a whim.


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Well when you say he owed them that I kind of took it as you saying he was obligated to do that, when it'd likely produce good results (dogs with families and families with dogs). But I'd say he's not really obligated to because even if he was stupid or lazy and didn't go for the optimal option, he still solved the problem and all parties had virtually no negative experiences as a result of it. He solved the problem in a way that isn't really objectionable, it's just he created the problem to begin with.


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all parties had virtually no negative experiences as a result of it.
Just wondering if you missed the part where the puppies were going to die.
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He solved the problem in a way that isn't really objectionable
Also wondering why it's been repeatedly ignored that most of the puppies had a high chance of being adopted. And that's not even getting into the intangible inherent value of being alive versus being dead.


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Just wondering if you missed the part where the puppies were going to die.
Why exactly does that matter outside of human response to it happening? Sure a being naturally wants to live and death is obviously in opposition to that, but that want is not there to be dissatisfied if the agent is dead. There is no negative once something is dead, because death is only negative if something is alive to think that.


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Why exactly does that matter outside of human response to it happening?
I'm not sure why you want to be so formal with this, but it matters because of the very strong potential (due to high likelihood of being adopted) for a net good to have taken place once the puppies were adopted by a loving family.

i.e. Don't shoot puppies because an adopted puppy is better than a dead one and it's likely they would've been adopted.
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Sure a being naturally wants to live and death is obviously in opposition to that, but that want is not there to be dissatisfied if the agent is dead. There is no negative once something is dead, because death is only negative if something is alive to think that.
I don't think you've thought that statement through very well. You're implying that a being's value is tantamount to whatever external value is assigned to it through some other being, so then how could it be unethical to murder a person who has no external value (such as a homeless person with no family)? Yes I said that a pet's value is pretty much defined by its owner, but as I said repeatedly, the chance of adoption is a potential source of value that is entirely ignored.

To be honest I'm pretty much over this hypothetical discussion. If you don't see an issue with shooting a dog versus trying to find a home for it, then I don't think I'll be able to sway you. It's not a big deal anyway.

Also, holy shit OP, fix the title.
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Also, there is fluoride in tap water. This is an undisputed fact.
Government trying to kill us tbh


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so then how could it be unethical to murder a person who has no external value (such as a homeless person with no family)?
I wouldn't suppose it is unethical, aside from who gets to determine what precisely is no external value.
I guess we stand to disagree then.


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Can we stop arguing about the ethics of murdering puppies without a home, and instead focus on how the US military and Darpa should have already adopted these pups?


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Also, there is fluoride in tap water.

DUDE CHEMTRAILS LMAO

Well, there's fluoride in my town's water. They flush it through along with chlorine to murder anything in the water the town uses. The wonders of hard water deposits.

Their systems don't completely clean out the chlorine or flouride so there's always trace amounts.

You might even say fluoride in my tap water LMAO


 
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So are we going to just sit by and let OP write "pupies"?

Yep. Just act naturally.


 
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This is not the greatest sig in the world, no. This is just a tribute.
Can we stop arguing about the ethics of murdering puppies without a home, and instead focus on how the US military and Darpa should have already adopted these pups?
wat


 
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Can we stop arguing about the ethics of murdering puppies without a home, and instead focus on how the US military and Darpa should have already adopted these pups?
wat

But yellow snake guy don't you know?

Dogs make wonderful carriers for explosive vests. Surely your country could utilize such otherwise doomed to poor fates puppies for the beterment of freedom!
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Can we stop arguing about the ethics of murdering puppies without a home, and instead focus on how the US military and Darpa should have already adopted these pups?
wat
If we can train Dolphins for the Navy, imagine what we could do with dogs that have shown to be proficient with firearms.


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So... I guess I'm going to have to pick up after your horrendous mistakes on here too?
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