Make the Moon Great Again

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US Vice-President Mike Pence has expressed the intention for America to send humans back to the Moon's surface.

Speaking to the National Space Council, he said Earth's satellite would be a "stepping stone" to the wider exploration of the Solar System.

"We will return astronauts to the Moon - not only to leave behind footprints and flags, but to build the foundation we need to send Americans to Mars and beyond," he stated.

The statement drew loud applause.

Mr Pence said something similar when he visited the Kennedy Space Center in July, but he was less specific then about boots on the lunar soil.

It may give stronger hints to the direction of thinking that will be pursued when the Trump White House finally gets its nomination in place for Nasa administrator.

Representative Jim Bridenstine, a Republican from Oklahoma, is the Trump pick to take the job but has yet to be confirmed by the Senate.

In his speech to the newly re-established advisory body (this was the first time it had convened in nearly a quarter of a century), Mr Pence said US space policy had lost its edge and needed to reassert itself.

"The president has charged us with laying the foundation for America to maintain a constant commercial human presence in low-Earth orbit. From there, we will turn our attention back toward our celestial neighbours," he said.

The speech, delivered in front of Space Shuttle Discovery at the Smithsonian National Air and Space Museum's Steven F Udvar-Hazy Center in Chantilly, Virginia, was backed up by an earlier op-ed in the Wall Street Journal .

But neither speech nor the newspaper article mentioned timelines or funding numbers.

President Obama had rejected the Moon as a return destination.

"We've been there," he said bluntly, and told Nasa to take a more direct route to the Red Planet, setting the ambition to "send humans to orbit Mars and return them safely to Earth" by the mid-2030s.

He approved the development of a big new rocket, the Space Launch System, and a deep space capsule called Orion. All of this hardware is still some years away from carrying people.

A project to use the systems, when they became available, to visit and capture a small asteroid, was promptly dropped when Donald Trump became president.

Instead, Nasa has recently started looking at the feasibility of building some kind of lunar space station that it refers to as the Deep Space Gateway.

This would be a testing ground for astronauts and their equipment as they move away from Earth and the low-orbiting International Space Station.

International partners, such as Russia, Europe and Canada, have been asked to think about the technologies they could contribute.

Nasa's acting administrator, Robert Lightfoot, issued a statement later on Thursday, which read: "Nasa has been directed to develop a plan for an innovative and sustainable programme of exploration with commercial and international partners to enable human expansion across the Solar System, returning humans to the Moon for long-term exploration and utilisation, followed by human missions to Mars and other destinations."

Speaking last week at the International Astronautical Congress in Adelaide, Australia, the US rocket entrepreneur Elon Musk said he hoped to send humans to Mars stating in 2024 .

The SpaceX company's CEO and chief designer has plans for a rocket that is even bigger than the SLS. This behemoth, which he says could carry 100 people, is dubbed the BFR, or "Big Falcon Rocket".

The last astronaut mission to the Moon was Apollo 17, which saw Eugene Cernan and Harrison Schmitt spend 75 hours on the lunar surface. With budgets tightening, Nasa was instructed by then US president Richard Nixon to direct its future efforts away from the Moon to the Skylab space station and the development of the shuttle.

It's that time of the year where the new administration announces its plans to skew nasa in a new direction instead of letting them spend any significant time on one project. But hey, moon mission let's fuckin go.


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I DONT GIVE A SINGLE -blam!- MOTHER -blam!-ER ITS A MOTHER -blam!-ING FORUM, OH WOW, YOU HAVE THE WORD NINJA BELOW YOUR NAME, HOW MOTHER -blam!-ING COOL, NOT, YOUR ARE NOTHING TO ME BUT A BRAINWASHED PIECE OF SHIT BLOGGER, PEOPLE ONLY LIKE YOU BECAUSE YOU HAVE NINJA BELOW YOUR NAME, SO PLEASE PUNCH YOURAELF IN THE FACE AND STAB YOUR EYE BECAUSE YOU ARE NOTHING BUT A PIECE OF SHIT OF SOCIETY
Going to the moon again is retarded and a waste of money.


 
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we literally already know more about the surface of the moon than we do about our own ocean


 
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I DONT GIVE A SINGLE -blam!- MOTHER -blam!-ER ITS A MOTHER -blam!-ING FORUM, OH WOW, YOU HAVE THE WORD NINJA BELOW YOUR NAME, HOW MOTHER -blam!-ING COOL, NOT, YOUR ARE NOTHING TO ME BUT A BRAINWASHED PIECE OF SHIT BLOGGER, PEOPLE ONLY LIKE YOU BECAUSE YOU HAVE NINJA BELOW YOUR NAME, SO PLEASE PUNCH YOURAELF IN THE FACE AND STAB YOUR EYE BECAUSE YOU ARE NOTHING BUT A PIECE OF SHIT OF SOCIETY
we literally already know more about the surface of the moon than we do about our own ocean
Did you just unironically say this


 
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we literally already know more about the surface of the moon than we do about our own ocean
Did you just unironically say this
it's a well-known fact


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I DONT GIVE A SINGLE -blam!- MOTHER -blam!-ER ITS A MOTHER -blam!-ING FORUM, OH WOW, YOU HAVE THE WORD NINJA BELOW YOUR NAME, HOW MOTHER -blam!-ING COOL, NOT, YOUR ARE NOTHING TO ME BUT A BRAINWASHED PIECE OF SHIT BLOGGER, PEOPLE ONLY LIKE YOU BECAUSE YOU HAVE NINJA BELOW YOUR NAME, SO PLEASE PUNCH YOURAELF IN THE FACE AND STAB YOUR EYE BECAUSE YOU ARE NOTHING BUT A PIECE OF SHIT OF SOCIETY
we literally already know more about the surface of the moon than we do about our own ocean
Did you just unironically say this
it's a well-known fact
I know, but what I mean is there's no point in saying that. It's easier to go up into space than explore the bottom of the ocean. There's also a hell of a lot more to learn going into space, even if it is another moon trip.


 
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we literally already know more about the surface of the moon than we do about our own ocean
Did you just unironically say this
it's a well-known fact
I know, but what I mean is there's no point in saying that. It's easier to go up into space than explore the bottom of the ocean. There's also a hell of a lot more to learn going into space, even if it is another moon trip.
you literally just said it was a waste of money

which it is, you're right about that


 
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I DONT GIVE A SINGLE -blam!- MOTHER -blam!-ER ITS A MOTHER -blam!-ING FORUM, OH WOW, YOU HAVE THE WORD NINJA BELOW YOUR NAME, HOW MOTHER -blam!-ING COOL, NOT, YOUR ARE NOTHING TO ME BUT A BRAINWASHED PIECE OF SHIT BLOGGER, PEOPLE ONLY LIKE YOU BECAUSE YOU HAVE NINJA BELOW YOUR NAME, SO PLEASE PUNCH YOURAELF IN THE FACE AND STAB YOUR EYE BECAUSE YOU ARE NOTHING BUT A PIECE OF SHIT OF SOCIETY
we literally already know more about the surface of the moon than we do about our own ocean
Did you just unironically say this
it's a well-known fact
I know, but what I mean is there's no point in saying that. It's easier to go up into space than explore the bottom of the ocean. There's also a hell of a lot more to learn going into space, even if it is another moon trip.
you literally just said it was a waste of money

which it is, you're right about that
But exploring the ocean will be even more of a money pit. It's extremely difficult and expensive, we just don't have the technology for it to be worthwhile. I do think we should invest a hell of a lot more into exploring the oceans but it's not really something I'd prioritize over space exploration.


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Going to the moon again is retarded and a waste of money.
The moon is actually fairly sensible if Mars is your endgame. Having a station orbiting the moon and using resources from its surface drastically decreases the need to ship everything from Earth. You can also use orbital tethers and mass drivers due to low gravity and lack of atmosphere to further build space stations in orbit at the Earth-Moon L4 and L5 Lagrange points.


 
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I don't see a point really. I mean building a base on the moon sounds cool as shit, but I don't think we have the technology to actually do such a thing yet, really.


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I don't see a point really. I mean building a base on the moon sounds cool as shit, but I don't think we have the technology to actually do such a thing yet, really.
Moon isn't that far. Should be doable even today.


 
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Going to the moon again is retarded and a waste of money.
The moon is actually fairly sensible if Mars is your endgame. Having a station orbiting the moon and using resources from its surface drastically decreases the need to ship everything from Earth. You can also use orbital tethers and mass drivers due to low gravity and lack of atmosphere to further build space stations in orbit at the Earth-Moon L4 and L5 Lagrange points.
I don't what the hell a Lagrange is but yeah a moonbase is not only a good idea but probably necessary to get to Mars any time soon. But my issue is with simply visiting the moon again, I don't think there's much more to see up there.


 
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I don't see a point really. I mean building a base on the moon sounds cool as shit, but I don't think we have the technology to actually do such a thing yet, really.
We do, it's just really expensive.


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Going to the moon again is retarded and a waste of money.
The moon is actually fairly sensible if Mars is your endgame. Having a station orbiting the moon and using resources from its surface drastically decreases the need to ship everything from Earth. You can also use orbital tethers and mass drivers due to low gravity and lack of atmosphere to further build space stations in orbit at the Earth-Moon L4 and L5 Lagrange points.
I don't what the hell a Lagrange is but yeah a moonbase is not only a good idea but probably necessary to get to Mars any time soon. But my issue is with simply visiting the moon again, I don't think there's much more to see up there.
A Lagrange is a stable point of gravity that exists between two any celestial body and a planet/ moon/ star orbiting it (ex. Sun and Earth or Earth and the Moon).



Points L4 and L5 are extremely stable, and for Earth-Moon L4/5, it would cost very little energy to get to them from the moon because they're in the same orbit around the Earth. You can keep a space station orbiting any point but for L1, 2 and 3, you'd need to actively stop the station from drifting away. A station at Earth-Moon L2 would be in a great spot to launch ships out into the solar system.

But yeah, the Moon itself isn't the most interesting of places; it's primarily useful as a stepping stone in going to places that are interesting (Venus, Mars, Asteroids, Gas Giants etc). Once you're out of Earth's gravity, you're essentially halfway to anywhere because it doesn't cost much energy to move around the Solar System, and the Moon is a great little refuelling point. It also has water ice and a lot of really nice minerals in the dirt that would work well for industry.

I do personally think the moon is interesting but I suppose I can see where you're coming from. It's an airless ball of rock made of the same stuff as Earth. I think the most important things to come out of any moon mission in the next few years will be technological and scientific enhancements in our understanding of how to keep people alive in space.


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I don't see a point really. I mean building a base on the moon sounds cool as shit, but I don't think we have the technology to actually do such a thing yet, really.
The post above explains why the Moon is basically necessary if you have any interest in Solar System colonisation and exploitation of the asteroid belt. We've had the technology to go to the Moon and set up shop since the 60's, it's just always been expensive. But that's why I'm in support of projects like the Deep Space Gateway. Space travel is a paradox because it's expensive to do so no one tries it. But once orbital propellant depots (space petrol stations) and whatnot are up and running, the sheer potential in the asteroids or gas giants is something you can't really pass up. I've seen analogues drawn to the big railway network in the Western US, and how no one would have settled the west in as great numbers if no one had paid for the infrastructure to get people there. It's essentially the same thing, and a moon base and/ or a network of satellite stations is the perfect tool.


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The moon's a great resource for nuclear fusion reactors, if only we could develop those a bit faster...

He3 is only found in large quantities on the moon/other planets exposed to solar winds, or decaying nukes. Since getting it off nukes has other issues (1 being you need to have a material used in nuclear weapons which is heavily regulated and/or scraped off an already active device and 2 there simply isn't enough decaying Tritium to supply a theoretical fusion reactor that is constantly running), mining the moon is the next best thing with all the benefits a fusion reactor brings.

It's already been discussed by several countries and corporations developing their own space programs


 
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im pretty sure we signed a document saying we wouldnt create a moon base


 
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im pretty sure we signed a document saying we wouldnt create a moon base
probably just Canada signed it cause you guys are gay as hell


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The moon's a great resource for nuclear fusion reactors, if only we could develop those a bit faster...

He3 is only found in large quantities on the moon/other planets exposed to solar winds, or decaying nukes. Since getting it off nukes has other issues (1 being you need to have a material used in nuclear weapons which is heavily regulated and/or scraped off an already active device and 2 there simply isn't enough decaying Tritium to supply a theoretical fusion reactor that is constantly running), mining the moon is the next best thing with all the benefits a fusion reactor brings.

It's already been discussed by several countries and corporations developing their own space programs
Don't fall for the HE3 meme. The quality of lunar regolith is pathetic and not worth the expense.
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And yes, the regolith has absorbed the solar wind over the aeons. Fanatics think the absorbed helium-3 is a prime MacGuffinite, but the sad fact of the matter is that the concentration is so miniscule it really isn't worth it. It would be more profitable to try and extract gold from seawater. Seawater can have up to 44 parts-per-billion (ppb) of gold, lunar regolith has an average abundance of 4 ppb helium-3
http://www.projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/mining.php#id--Lunar_Mining


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im pretty sure we signed a document saying we wouldnt create a moon base
Do you mean the Outer Space Treaty? That doesn't prohibit a nation building a space base.


 
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im pretty sure we signed a document saying we wouldnt create a moon base
Do you mean the Outer Space Treaty? That doesn't prohibit a nation building a space base.
Yeah, it's just a treaty to make them build these bases/whatevers for peaceful purposes only. No military stuff.


 
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im pretty sure we signed a document saying we wouldnt create a moon base
probably just Canada signed it cause you guys are gay as hell

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we literally already know more about the surface of the moon than we do about our own ocean
yeah but helium bruh


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The moon's a great resource for nuclear fusion reactors, if only we could develop those a bit faster...

He3 is only found in large quantities on the moon/other planets exposed to solar winds, or decaying nukes. Since getting it off nukes has other issues (1 being you need to have a material used in nuclear weapons which is heavily regulated and/or scraped off an already active device and 2 there simply isn't enough decaying Tritium to supply a theoretical fusion reactor that is constantly running), mining the moon is the next best thing with all the benefits a fusion reactor brings.

It's already been discussed by several countries and corporations developing their own space programs
Putting nuclear rectors on the moon would be great since the moon isn't prone to natural disasters and if one of the reactors goes Chernobyl it isn't exactly going to harm us. But how exactly are you going to get the energy back into the grid on Earth?

EDIT: Read your post wrong, but my point still stands.
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