Security is more important.
Liberty
I think it's a false dichotomy.
Quote from: E̲n̲ga̲ge̲d̲T̲u̲r̲k̲e̲y on November 26, 2014, 05:09:15 PMI think it's a false dichotomy.You can't disagree that, with the government trying to ensure security, it will pretty much always encroach.
Quote from: Meta Cognition on November 27, 2014, 02:26:12 AMI feel confused that you're not defending the government. If you become a famous politician when you get older, you're not going to throw away all the opportunities you'll get for supporting larger government so that you could please the populace. Or are you just pretending to be anti-gov to confuse us because you've secretly been manipulating us this whole time?
I think it's very easy for people that have, for the most part, never faced a serious threat from another power, to say that liberty is far more important than security.
Quote from: E̲n̲ga̲ge̲d̲T̲u̲r̲k̲e̲y on November 27, 2014, 09:16:41 AMI think it's very easy for people that have, for the most part, never faced a serious threat from another power, to say that liberty is far more important than security.I think it's very easy for people that don't, for the most part, realise that their own government can pose a significant threat to their well-being.
Quote from: Meta Cognition on November 27, 2014, 09:47:58 AMQuote from: E̲n̲ga̲ge̲d̲T̲u̲r̲k̲e̲y on November 27, 2014, 09:16:41 AMI think it's very easy for people that have, for the most part, never faced a serious threat from another power, to say that liberty is far more important than security.I think it's very easy for people that don't, for the most part, realise that their own government can pose a significant threat to their well-being.Sentence fragment. All I'm saying is that we've got a bunch of relatively wealthy, free, and safe people in this thread saying they'd take liberty over security no matter what, and that just seems incredibly juvenile to me.
Look at Iraq, under Saddam they had significantly more rights and freedom, as well as security.
Though I hope Turkey is right about there being ways around having to choose one over the other.