Let's talk about what makes Trump so different

 
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We knew the world would not be the same.
A few people laughed, a few people cried, most people were silent.
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"Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.."
I suppose we all thought that one way or another.
Trump has gained a massive following for a variety of reasons. Ignoring the "Well he's not Hillary" voters, the thing that really fascinates me how by deviating from the standard politician guidelines he managed to rally so much support. Most people against Trump are completely baffled at how he managed to get this far, but the answer is simple.

People are frustrated with the status quo. Politicians have been established as being one of the big reasons for most of our problems in government, because they're self serving, never get anything done, and it constantly seems like they're working against the well being of the country. Well hey here's Trump, and he's not a politician, and he's very clear that he actually intends on getting things done, and fuck what anyone that opposes him thinks. He's extremely appealing to people who are done and fed up and don't care about having tact or what they might call being "PC". Does he need to go into detail about how exactly he plans on accomplishing anything? Nah, it's not important. What's important is that he has you reeled in on the feelings of frustration alone. He wants to Make America Great Again. He's a businessman, and selling you a feeling for a product (in this case, his presidency) is what he does best.

Here's a video that breaks it down pretty well:
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I must emphasize that this is not considering the people who support him because they think Hillary is worse. Trump and Bernie supporters are what one might call opposite reactions to the same problem, but fact is that these two groups ended up having more in common. Trump being more nationalistic, and Sanders being more people focused. Trump being appealing because he actually sounds like he's going to get stuff done and doesn't care what people think, and Sanders because he actually sounds honest and genuine, like he cares about each individual person out there. But both groups are sick and fed up with politicians and the status quo.

And even though Sanders failed to get the nomination he did get almost half of the entire democratic vote and has changed the democratic party just as Trump has changed the republican party. There's also people that agree with what Trump campaigning for on a more educated level, and discussion is free to go there too but that isn't the demographic I'm talking about. The point of the thread and where I'd like to see the discussion is this: Trump appealed to what would've previously have been thought of as a fringe demographic of people (something which Bernie did too, along with the massive following of idiots) but it exploded.

So...let's talk about that?
Last Edit: October 11, 2016, 08:01:19 PM by Varg


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Like you said, he's a businessman:  he'll say the things you want to hear, and reel you into supporting him.  He plays on people's frustrations, their fears, and says whatever he wants on Twitter or on stage because it gives him the persona of "not being owned by anyone".  I like to call him the "Anti-Bernie".  He has exposed a lot of the political corruption, but he's the completely wrong person to hold office.  No prior experience, has shit for temperament  (will he go to Twitter and say a foreign leader is weak and an asshole?) and appears to have zero diplomatical skills.  It's either "his way or the highway" if you believe reports that his campaign staff changes constantly.

I can see why people who are fed up are attracted to him, but he just seems so...wrong.
Last Edit: October 11, 2016, 10:04:04 PM by Nick McIntyre


 
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That's because he is wrong

for as much as he loves to stroke the conservatives dick about the 2nd Amendment, he's continually said things that go against the constitution, and at times sounds like a mini-me version of Vlad Putin.

Even if you disagree with his ideological stances (he doesn't have any, he flips time and time again), it doesn't get over the fact he is a fucking idiot. His lack of knowledge, his temper tantrums of a man child, his past history of fuck ups. The list goes on. He's also allowed rhetoric that was, in the past, constrained to Alex Jones radio tier networks, to jump into the mainstream, further dumbing down American politics to nothing but petty insults and finger pointing. He's allowed hostility to become an acceptable thing, and still to this day continues to promote it, saying he wouldn't accept Hillary's win (and she will win), and asking people to continue fighting. That's destructive to a democracy.

People only want him because they absolutely hate Washington and Hillary Clinton, who is the face of Washington.

Benjamin Franklin said he gave us a Republic, if we could keep it. This is one of the times we've seriously tested what we'll allow in it, and it could set a dangerous precedent that will further make American Democracy spiral downward until we pull a Rome and something drastic happens.
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That's because he is wrong

for as much as he loves to stroke the conservatives dick about the 2nd Amendment, he's continually said things that go against the constitution, and at times sounds like a mini-me version of Vlad Putin.

Even if you disagree with his ideological stances (he doesn't have any, he flips time and time again), it doesn't get over the fact he is a fucking idiot. His lack of knowledge, his temper tantrums of a man child, his past history of fuck ups. The list goes on. He's also allowed rhetoric that was, in the past, constrained to Alex Jones radio tier networks, to jump into the mainstream, further dumbing down American politics to nothing but petty insults and finger pointing. He's allowed hostility to become an acceptable thing, and still to this day continues to promote it, saying he wouldn't accept Hillary's win (and she will win), and asking people to continue fighting. That's destructive to a democracy.

People only want him because they absolutely hate Washington and Hillary Clinton, who is the face of Washington.

Benjamin Franklin said he gave us a Republic, if we could keep it. This is one of the times we've seriously tested what we'll allow in it, and it could set a dangerous precedent that will further make American Democracy spiral downward until we pull a Rome and something drastic happens.
you're just mad trump won't make anime real even though he could


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I think the main 2 thing in trumps favor are people are fed up with the establishment and that Hillary Clinton is easily one of the most disgusting human beings in American history


 
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and that Hillary Clinton is easily one of the most disgusting human beings in American history
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and that Hillary Clinton is easily one of the most disgusting human beings in American history
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yes but I know you're liberal shill so you're not even worth talking to about it


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If you don't think Hillary is a downright evil person it's because you're ignorant


 
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and that Hillary Clinton is easily one of the most disgusting human beings in American history
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yes but I know you're liberal shill so you're not even worth talking to about it
No

It's because I have half a brain and can easily gather a handful of American figures from our history that easily outclass these losers running for president.

I do love how you throw the liberal card out though like it's an insult. Seems to be a running trend with this site. "Heh... filthy libbie...." He says as I despise so much liberal cancerous sites.


 
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If you don't think Hillary is a downright evil person it's because you're ignorant
she got children healthcare

what an evil slut


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If you don't think Hillary is a downright evil person it's because you're ignorant
she got children healthcare
so did Saddam Hussein


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If you don't think Hillary is a downright evil person it's because you're ignorant
she got children healthcare
so did Saddam Hussein
Hillary didn't invade a sovereign nation or gas her people though


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If you don't think Hillary is a downright evil person it's because you're ignorant
she got children healthcare
so did Saddam Hussein
Hillary didn't invade a sovereign nation or gas her people though
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She's had many people assasinated and left Americans to die in Benghazi after hundreds of calls for aid


 
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We knew the world would not be the same.
A few people laughed, a few people cried, most people were silent.
I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture, the Bhagavad-Gita.
Vishnu is trying to persuade the Prince that he should do his duty
and to impress him takes on his multi-armed form and says,
"Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.."
I suppose we all thought that one way or another.
I think the main 2 thing in trumps favor are people are fed up with the establishment and that Hillary Clinton is easily one of the most disgusting human beings in American history
Hillary Clinton is not the focal point here, because Trump was ramping up support like crazy long before the Republican debates were over. And besides that, in that phase it was other candidates railing against Hillary, not Trump.


 
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I think Trump was an inevitability. Not the man himself, but what he and Sanders represent.

The powers that be are gripping tighter and tighter every year, and it is becoming very obvious to more and more people. This rise of populism and opposition to the global capitalist order was bound to happen someday. Donald Trump just showed up saying the right things at the right time. I mean, shit, Sanders had to wait like 100 years for his day to come.

I couldn't care less if he was a racist Italian midget or a Muslim nutcase or a Mexican tranny, he's the best chance there currently is to tear down the things I hate. There are a lot of people who share this mindset.
I'd feel that way more with Bernie Sanders honestly. I can't think a business man who has a habit of swindling people, would actually break things up and make the system better. And besides, Sanders called it right. One man can't do it. He won't be able to do anything. It needs to be fundamental change by so many.

Also, I'd be careful what you wish for


 
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She's had many people assasinated and left Americans to die in Benghazi after hundreds of calls for aid
Yeah, I too liked that factual evidence


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If you don't think Hillary is a downright evil person it's because you're ignorant
she got children healthcare
so did Saddam Hussein
Hillary didn't invade a sovereign nation
No, but she sure did support Bush in invading a sovereign nation.

As if that means fucking anything.
So did Trumpy Trump.

Both are pieces of shit. One just knows how to lead better and actually manage things. One also doesn't just consistently fear monger and race bait.


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I think the main 2 thing in trumps favor are people are fed up with the establishment and that Hillary Clinton is easily one of the most disgusting human beings in American history
Hillary Clinton is not the focal point here, because Trump was ramping up support like crazy long before the Republican debates were over. And besides that, in that phase it was other candidates railing against Hillary, not Trump.
because everyone he had to run against was awful


Another bush? Lmao
Kasich? Pushover who could never get his point across in a debate
Sleepy Ben Carson? None of his policies even made sense and he was even less qualified than trump (also hes black)
Little Marco? Performed terribly in debates and got bullied by all
Paul? Not even a republican
El Rato Ted Cruz ? His own party hates him and the general populous will never vote for a crazy religious type these days


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If you don't think Hillary is a downright evil person it's because you're ignorant
she got children healthcare
so did Saddam Hussein
Hillary didn't invade a sovereign nation
No, but she sure did support Bush in invading a sovereign nation.

As if that means fucking anything.
Both are pieces of shit. One just knows how to lead better and actually manage things. One also doesn't just consistently fear monger and race bait.
this sounds like you're supporting trump tbh


 
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If you don't think Hillary is a downright evil person it's because you're ignorant
she got children healthcare
so did Saddam Hussein
Hillary didn't invade a sovereign nation
No, but she sure did support Bush in invading a sovereign nation.

As if that means fucking anything.
Both are pieces of shit. One just knows how to lead better and actually manage things. One also doesn't just consistently fear monger and race bait.
this sounds like you're supporting trump tbh
...How? The fear mongering and race baiting is classic Trump


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Also sanders is establishment too idk why people pretend like he was really going to bring about some big change


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If you don't think Hillary is a downright evil person it's because you're ignorant
she got children healthcare
so did Saddam Hussein
Hillary didn't invade a sovereign nation
No, but she sure did support Bush in invading a sovereign nation.

As if that means fucking anything.
Both are pieces of shit. One just knows how to lead better and actually manage things. One also doesn't just consistently fear monger and race bait.
this sounds like you're supporting trump tbh
...How? The fear mongering and race baiting is classic Clinton
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I think the main 2 thing in trumps favor are people are fed up with the establishment and that Hillary Clinton is easily one of the most disgusting human beings in American history
Hillary Clinton is not the focal point here, because Trump was ramping up support like crazy long before the Republican debates were over. And besides that, in that phase it was other candidates railing against Hillary, not Trump.
because everyone he had to run against was awful


Another bush? Lmao
Kasich? Pushover who could never get his point across in a debate
Sleepy Ben Carson? None of his policies even made sense and he was even less qualified than trump (also hes black)
Little Marco? Performed terribly in debates and got bullied by all
Paul? Not even a republican
El Rato Ted Cruz ? His own party hates him and the general populous will never vote for a crazy religious type these days
Bush and Kasich were the best chances for that party. It was between an idiot (Trump) and a religious zealot. Kasich is the one who basically balanced the budget during the Clinton administration, and was actually preaching unity.


 
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and to impress him takes on his multi-armed form and says,
"Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.."
I suppose we all thought that one way or another.
I should've expected that this thread would immediately go the Hillary route despite me saying not to. You guys really can't help yourselves, I guess.


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"If trump is elected he's going to deport you all! He's gunna start world war three!  He's gunna ban Muslims!"
Fear mongering and race baiting


 
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Also sanders is establishment too idk why people pretend like he was really going to bring about some big change
Probably because he's an Independent and not part of the two party system, thus, felt no real loyalty to either party.


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"If trump is elected he's going to deport you all! He's gunna start world war three!  He's gunna ban Muslims!"
Fear mongering and race baiting
Trump said two of those three things himself