This is a poll that's been going for almost a year, so there are a lot of users that don't really post here that voted. I think Bernie had like 40 votes before he got removed. But yeah, starting a new one might not be a bad idea.
I just realized I never voted in that one. Literally anyone but Trump is where my vote goes.
Quote from: Flee on July 17, 2016, 02:02:05 PMI just realized I never voted in that one. Literally anyone but Trump is where my vote goes.I'm curious about your general line of thinking on this though
Quote from: TheOneTrueDesticle on July 17, 2016, 02:17:13 PMQuote from: Flee on July 17, 2016, 02:02:05 PMI just realized I never voted in that one. Literally anyone but Trump is where my vote goes.I get way more enjoyment out of supporting a candidate than going "anyone but XYZ" tbhI'm curious about your general line of thinking on this thoughAmerican politics are typically pretty shitty.This election around, they are especially shit.All main candidates are pretty shit. One candidate, Trump, is even shittier than all the others.Choosing between one pile of shit and another even bigger, more disgusting and foul steaming pile of shit, I will choose for the lesser pile of shit.And that's why I would vote for literally any other candidate than Trump.
Quote from: Flee on July 17, 2016, 02:02:05 PMI just realized I never voted in that one. Literally anyone but Trump is where my vote goes.I get way more enjoyment out of supporting a candidate than going "anyone but XYZ" tbhI'm curious about your general line of thinking on this though
He's not an idiot?
Quote from: TheOneTrueDesticle on July 17, 2016, 02:38:14 PMI understand you dislike him and that you share the general sentiment that they're all bad. What I don't actually know is why specifically you dislike him.I simply think he is a horrible person and would make for a terrible leader, doing little to nothing for his people and country. The man is a populist deliberately targeting the misguided, uneducated and poorly informed by playing on their fears. He might not actually be a moron, but he presents himself as one. His rhetoric is one of empty promises, lies and emotion. He's loud, intolerant, disrespectful, a notorious liar, bully, fraud and has very little involvement with facts or actual sound reasoning. The man will serve no interests but those of his own and his corporate peers, despite the image he tries to paint of him being the common man who will get rid of bureaucrats and clear up politics. I just think he would make a terrible president.
I understand you dislike him and that you share the general sentiment that they're all bad. What I don't actually know is why specifically you dislike him.
Quote from: TheOneTrueDesticle on July 17, 2016, 03:23:01 PMQuote from: Flee on July 17, 2016, 03:20:34 PMQuote from: TheOneTrueDesticle on July 17, 2016, 02:38:14 PMI understand you dislike him and that you share the general sentiment that they're all bad. What I don't actually know is why specifically you dislike him.I simply think he is a horrible person and would make for a terrible leader, doing little to nothing for his people and country. The man is a populist deliberately targeting the misguided, uneducated and poorly informed by playing on their fears. He might not actually be a moron, but he presents himself as one. His rhetoric is one of empty promises, lies and emotion. He's loud, intolerant, disrespectful, a notorious liar, bully, fraud and has very little involvement with facts or actual sound reasoning. The man will serve no interests but those of his own and his corporate peers, despite the image he tries to paint of him being the common man who will get rid of bureaucrats and clear up politics. I just think he would make a terrible president.That's basically every comment I've seen about him summed up. I'm curious as to which things policy-wise you dislike.He's anti-abortion and wants to defund planned parenthood.His policies on immigration, banning groups from entering the country and building a wall.His foreign policy and plans of asserting military force globally.He's pro gun.He supports torture.His tax plans.He is not outspoken in support of universal health care and thinks vaccines can cause autism.He supports mass surveilance and violations of privacy.He supports the death penalty and strict punishment rather than rehabilitation.He does not believe in global warming and generally opposes rules to protect the environment.He supports locally governed education rather than common standards and educational cuts.And so forth and so forth. But I believe that him as a person is almost as important as his policies. Trump says what he thinks people want to hear. He changes his opinion frequently. And even more worrisome are his "plans" and how people support them. Trump rarely has a plan, instead he has an incredibly vague and broad statements that could appease anyone."Oh, health care? Well Obamacare is terrible. Just terrible. I will improve it. Just believe me when I say I will, okay? I can do this. The details are still being worked on, but it will be better. It will be higher quality, cheaper, more accessible and just amazing, okay? This will happen."I think other candidates are simply better people who will do a better job at presidency. In addition, I think their policies are generally better than Trump's typical vague and undecided "Make America Great Again... somehow" rhetoric.
Quote from: Flee on July 17, 2016, 03:20:34 PMQuote from: TheOneTrueDesticle on July 17, 2016, 02:38:14 PMI understand you dislike him and that you share the general sentiment that they're all bad. What I don't actually know is why specifically you dislike him.I simply think he is a horrible person and would make for a terrible leader, doing little to nothing for his people and country. The man is a populist deliberately targeting the misguided, uneducated and poorly informed by playing on their fears. He might not actually be a moron, but he presents himself as one. His rhetoric is one of empty promises, lies and emotion. He's loud, intolerant, disrespectful, a notorious liar, bully, fraud and has very little involvement with facts or actual sound reasoning. The man will serve no interests but those of his own and his corporate peers, despite the image he tries to paint of him being the common man who will get rid of bureaucrats and clear up politics. I just think he would make a terrible president.That's basically every comment I've seen about him summed up. I'm curious as to which things policy-wise you dislike.
Icy, wanna make a new poll? Or I can do it. Or maybe you'd have better insight on how accurate the current poll is.
Quote from: TheOneTrueDesticle on July 17, 2016, 12:25:29 PMIcy, wanna make a new poll? Or I can do it. Or maybe you'd have better insight on how accurate the current poll is.So, I removed Sanders from the poll on Tuesday, after he gave his endorsement speech of Clinton. At that time, he had 41% of the vote. Clinton looks like she has gained one vote since then, while Trump has gained 1-2 - that leaves a good 30+ votes uncounted for since Tuesday. A number of these votes are also likely from members who have stopped coming to the site.If you'd like, I can make a new thread + poll with updated dates (including convention dates, debate dates) and full party tickets (President + VP).
Quote from: Icy on July 17, 2016, 04:52:45 PMQuote from: TheOneTrueDesticle on July 17, 2016, 12:25:29 PMIcy, wanna make a new poll? Or I can do it. Or maybe you'd have better insight on how accurate the current poll is.So, I removed Sanders from the poll on Tuesday, after he gave his endorsement speech of Clinton. At that time, he had 41% of the vote. Clinton looks like she has gained one vote since then, while Trump has gained 1-2 - that leaves a good 30+ votes uncounted for since Tuesday. If you'd like, I can make a new thread + poll with updated dates (including convention dates, debate dates) and full party tickets (President + VP).Let's do it. We're getting into the generals and a new poll and hub thread would be awesome.
Quote from: TheOneTrueDesticle on July 17, 2016, 12:25:29 PMIcy, wanna make a new poll? Or I can do it. Or maybe you'd have better insight on how accurate the current poll is.So, I removed Sanders from the poll on Tuesday, after he gave his endorsement speech of Clinton. At that time, he had 41% of the vote. Clinton looks like she has gained one vote since then, while Trump has gained 1-2 - that leaves a good 30+ votes uncounted for since Tuesday. If you'd like, I can make a new thread + poll with updated dates (including convention dates, debate dates) and full party tickets (President + VP).
I disagree that this plan is sufficient. My gripe lies specifically with the universal nature of health care. His plan does not appear to be much more than "open the market and deregulate most of it", which could lead to major predatory practices and the consumer being fucked over majorly. As far as I can tell, the only thing he actually says about accessible health care for all is (and I quote) "We must review basic options for Medicaid and work with states to ensure that those who want healthcare coverage can have it", which is immediately followed by "Block-grant Medicaid to the states" allowing individual states to set their own standards. I'm sorry, but to me that is not a sound plan. My previous comment was an obvious exaggeration and aimed at what he says during his speeches, but I don't think the underlying point was wrong. While his argument about price transparency is solid, I think his plan is simply one of deregulation which will ultimately benefit the corporations more than the people and, again, more vagueness.I never said any of his policies are objectively bad. You can argue that killing babies and black people in the street isn't even objectively bad and easily say that no policy is objectively bad for everyone. You're asking me why I think Trump is such a terrible candidate. This is why. Could you point out which parts of my post are wrong? If I'm taking things out of context or am misinterpreting things he's said, which ones are they?I have yet to see any redeeming qualities of Trump. And that is saying something. I think he is a populist moron (or at least pretends to be one) banking on largely gullible voters and empty promises that will ultimately only serve his own interests. And in the end, it kind of blows my mind that people would consider voting for him.
it kind of blows my mind that people would consider voting for him
it kind of blows my mind that people would think differently from me
I can go more in-depth about the misconceptions thing but I think what really truly turns me off talking to a lot of people about this are statements likeQuoteit kind of blows my mind that people would consider voting for himWhich in my experience often meansQuoteit kind of blows my mind that people would think differently from me
Quote from: TheOneTrueDesticle on July 17, 2016, 05:04:41 PMI can go more in-depth about the misconceptions thing but I think what really truly turns me off talking to a lot of people about this are statements likeQuoteit kind of blows my mind that people would consider voting for himWhich in my experience often meansQuoteit kind of blows my mind that people would think differently from meEven though that's most likely how you think when it comes to Hillary supporters.
Even I can see why people would want to vote for Clinton or Stein or whathaveyou, it's not out of the realm of possibilities
Except you missed the part immediately after that where I said QuoteEven I can see why people would want to vote for Clinton or Stein or whathaveyou, it's not out of the realm of possibilities
Quote from: DAS B00T x2 on July 17, 2016, 05:10:32 PMWait, I thought Trump supported planned parenthood.As far as I understand, it's basically "planned parenthood does some good stuff, but abortion is bad so defund it all anyways".
Wait, I thought Trump supported planned parenthood.
Quote from: TheOneTrueDesticle on July 17, 2016, 05:16:39 PMExcept you missed the part immediately after that where I said QuoteEven I can see why people would want to vote for Clinton or Stein or whathaveyou, it's not out of the realm of possibilitiesI saw that. I just think you're a liar.
Let's talk about the Sep7 Presidential Poll
