When a UK citizen says "we should have stricter immigration control" they generally mean A) remove the EU backed privilege to move to any country without that country being able to reject you (unless you have a particularly egregious crimes in which case either the parent country wants you back and we send you packing or they don't and we have to stick them in our prisons) and/or B) put a system in place so when people cross the border without identity we don't have to shelter them.
Quote from: Trojanlord on August 03, 2014, 04:06:43 PMWhen a UK citizen says "we should have stricter immigration control" they generally mean A) remove the EU backed privilege to move to any country without that country being able to reject you (unless you have a particularly egregious crimes in which case either the parent country wants you back and we send you packing or they don't and we have to stick them in our prisons) and/or B) put a system in place so when people cross the border without identity we don't have to shelter them.I'm still skeptical. Xenophobia runs deep.
All data taken from poll results of isidewith.com; I'll only use examples where the stupid opinion is within the majority. I will do UK and US polls (I realise some of these will be more controversial than others). Yes, the judgement of stupidity is, in itself, an opinion. I'll put really controversial ones in italics. Particularly egregious statistics will be emboldened. UK: - 63% of voters (79,225) think we shouldn't renew our Trident nuclear weapons system. - 67% of voters (510,605) think we should enact a stricter immigration policy. 9% of the total, however, think we should admit high-skilled workers, so not all bad. - 73% of voters (329,513) think we shouldn't leave the EU. - 50% of voters (375,458) think we should decrease foreign aid spending. - 50% of voters (378,068) think the NHS shouldn't use private services. - 63% of voters (320,081) think the government shouldn't make spending cuts. - 58% of voters (297,510) think we should raise corporation tax.- 61% of voters (293,301) don't support the use of hydraulic fracking.- 60% of voters (454,913) think we should abolish tuition fees. - 65% of voters (492,711) are against the establishment of free schools. - 62% of voters (466,616) are against the legality of zero-hour contracts. - 53% of voters (399,498) are for the construction of HS2. - 52% of voters (391,001) are against the declaration of the London Underground as an essential service. US: - 52% of voters (4,706,659) think the government should expand NASA's budget. - 46% of voters (4,327,247; not a majority, but close enough) support Obamacare. - 73% of voters (5,959,878) support the death penalty.- 69% of voters (305,699) think immigrants should be required to learn English. - 67% of voters (369,087) support tougher immigration controls. - 81% of voters (788,719) support term limits. - 53% of voters (4,089,920) support the Patriot Act. - 52% of voters (1,963,582) are against decriminalising drug use. - 55% of voters (208,318) don't think the government should give immunity to Edward Snowden. - 78% of voters (3,051,272) think able-bodied adults on welfare should be forced to work. - 60% of voters (5,723,850) support a rise in the minimum wage. - 77% of voters (762,252) think Wall Street execs. should be criminally liable for the 2008 financial crisis. - 57% of voters (2,493,077) think the government should subsidise farmers. - 62% of voters (6,232,450) think America should expand off-shore drilling. - 65% of voters (1,715,066) think the government should subsidise wind power.
- 52% of voters (4,706,659) think the government should expand NASA's budget. . - 60% of voters (5,723,850) support a rise in the minimum wage. - 65% of voters (1,715,066) think the government should subsidise wind power.
Quote from: Meta Cognition on August 03, 2014, 03:45:49 PM- 52% of voters (4,706,659) think the government should expand NASA's budget. . - 60% of voters (5,723,850) support a rise in the minimum wage. - 65% of voters (1,715,066) think the government should subsidise wind power. I don't see your point on these ones.Well, actually, I don't quite understand what is meant by subsidizing wind power, unless it means that government money goes to private wind farms to fund them.
Quote from: DAS B00T x2 on August 03, 2014, 05:45:18 PMQuote from: Meta Cognition on August 03, 2014, 03:45:49 PM- 52% of voters (4,706,659) think the government should expand NASA's budget. . - 60% of voters (5,723,850) support a rise in the minimum wage. - 65% of voters (1,715,066) think the government should subsidise wind power. I don't see your point on these ones.Well, actually, I don't quite understand what is meant by subsidizing wind power, unless it means that government money goes to private wind farms to fund them.yeah the government pays wind farmers to farm wind, rather than the free market doing the leg work.
Quote from: Crouton on August 03, 2014, 05:46:11 PMQuote from: DAS B00T x2 on August 03, 2014, 05:45:18 PMQuote from: Meta Cognition on August 03, 2014, 03:45:49 PM- 52% of voters (4,706,659) think the government should expand NASA's budget. . - 60% of voters (5,723,850) support a rise in the minimum wage. - 65% of voters (1,715,066) think the government should subsidise wind power. I don't see your point on these ones.Well, actually, I don't quite understand what is meant by subsidizing wind power, unless it means that government money goes to private wind farms to fund them.yeah the government pays wind farmers to farm wind, rather than the free market doing the leg work.Do they need the subsidies to cover starting costs or something?
Quote from: DAS B00T x2 on August 03, 2014, 05:48:45 PMQuote from: Crouton on August 03, 2014, 05:46:11 PMQuote from: DAS B00T x2 on August 03, 2014, 05:45:18 PMQuote from: Meta Cognition on August 03, 2014, 03:45:49 PM- 52% of voters (4,706,659) think the government should expand NASA's budget. . - 60% of voters (5,723,850) support a rise in the minimum wage. - 65% of voters (1,715,066) think the government should subsidise wind power. I don't see your point on these ones.Well, actually, I don't quite understand what is meant by subsidizing wind power, unless it means that government money goes to private wind farms to fund them.yeah the government pays wind farmers to farm wind, rather than the free market doing the leg work.Do they need the subsidies to cover starting costs or something?Those are covered through grants and tax-credits usually, subsidies are long-term deals to keep the farms alive regardless of the market's response. Most farming in the US is subsidized.
Quote from: Crouton on August 03, 2014, 05:49:54 PMQuote from: DAS B00T x2 on August 03, 2014, 05:48:45 PMQuote from: Crouton on August 03, 2014, 05:46:11 PMQuote from: DAS B00T x2 on August 03, 2014, 05:45:18 PMQuote from: Meta Cognition on August 03, 2014, 03:45:49 PM- 52% of voters (4,706,659) think the government should expand NASA's budget. . - 60% of voters (5,723,850) support a rise in the minimum wage. - 65% of voters (1,715,066) think the government should subsidise wind power. I don't see your point on these ones.Well, actually, I don't quite understand what is meant by subsidizing wind power, unless it means that government money goes to private wind farms to fund them.yeah the government pays wind farmers to farm wind, rather than the free market doing the leg work.Do they need the subsidies to cover starting costs or something?Those are covered through grants and tax-credits usually, subsidies are long-term deals to keep the farms alive regardless of the market's response. Most farming in the US is subsidized.So what I'm gathering here is that wind farming isn't cost efficient and require government assistance to operate? I know that most produce farmers wouldn't be able to live without government help, but you'd think since you don't have to feed windmills...
So are you for renewing our nuclear weapons program?
Quote from: MattyFez on August 04, 2014, 05:00:08 PMSo are you for renewing our nuclear weapons program?Yes. Fuck that. I don't want to live in a country without nukes.
Quote from: Meta Cognition on August 04, 2014, 05:01:15 PMQuote from: MattyFez on August 04, 2014, 05:00:08 PMSo are you for renewing our nuclear weapons program?Yes. Fuck that. I don't want to live in a country without nukes.Pffft hahahaha. It's like you want us to be broke. Also muh mutually assured destruction. Why aren't you for global nuclear disarmament?
Quote from: MattyFez on August 04, 2014, 05:03:26 PMQuote from: Meta Cognition on August 04, 2014, 05:01:15 PMQuote from: MattyFez on August 04, 2014, 05:00:08 PMSo are you for renewing our nuclear weapons program?Yes. Fuck that. I don't want to live in a country without nukes.Pffft hahahaha. It's like you want us to be broke. Also muh mutually assured destruction. Why aren't you for global nuclear disarmament?What difference would it make?
Quote from: Meta Cognition on August 04, 2014, 05:11:01 PMQuote from: MattyFez on August 04, 2014, 05:03:26 PMQuote from: Meta Cognition on August 04, 2014, 05:01:15 PMQuote from: MattyFez on August 04, 2014, 05:00:08 PMSo are you for renewing our nuclear weapons program?Yes. Fuck that. I don't want to live in a country without nukes.Pffft hahahaha. It's like you want us to be broke. Also muh mutually assured destruction. Why aren't you for global nuclear disarmament?What difference would it make?You feel like you actually tried to stop North Korea eventually nuking everyone. You get to feel slightly warmer inside.
Lol, why do you think the EU's bad? If it wasn't for the EU, I could kiss my prospects for moving to Germany goodbye.
US: - 52% of voters (4,706,659) think the government should expand NASA's budget. - 46% of voters (4,327,247; not a majority, but close enough) support Obamacare. - 73% of voters (5,959,878) support the death penalty.- 69% of voters (305,699) think immigrants should be required to learn English. - 67% of voters (369,087) support tougher immigration controls. - 81% of voters (788,719) support term limits. - 53% of voters (4,089,920) support the Patriot Act. - 52% of voters (1,963,582) are against decriminalising drug use. - 55% of voters (208,318) don't think the government should give immunity to Edward Snowden. - 78% of voters (3,051,272) think able-bodied adults on welfare should be forced to work. - 60% of voters (5,723,850) support a rise in the minimum wage. - 77% of voters (762,252) think Wall Street execs. should be criminally liable for the 2008 financial crisis. - 57% of voters (2,493,077) think the government should subsidise farmers. - 62% of voters (6,232,450) think America should expand off-shore drilling. - 65% of voters (1,715,066) think the government should subsidise wind power.
Obama was elected. That alone should destroy your hope for our species.