Karl Marx was a racist

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Garlemald did nothing wrong.
http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/2217122-karl-marx-the-racist/?expvar=004&utm_expid=.5zxdwnfjSHaLe_IPrO6c5w.1&utm_referrer=

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For example, in a July 1862 letter to Engels, in reference to his socialist political competitor, Ferdinand Lassalle, Marx wrote, “It is now completely clear to me that he, as is proved by his cranial formation and his hair, descends from the Negroes from Egypt, assuming that his mother or grandmother had not interbred with a n*****. Now this union of Judaism and Germanism with a basic Negro substance must produce a peculiar product. The obtrusiveness of the fellow is also n*****-like,” according to the book “Race and Racism in Modern Philosophy.”
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Regarding Mexicans, during the Mexican-American War, he wrote: “Without violence, nothing is ever accomplished in history.” But then he asks, “Is it a misfortune that magnificent California was seized from the lazy Mexicans who did not know what to do with it?”

Sounds like a fine fellow don't you think?

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“What is the worldly religion of the Jew? Huckstering. What is his worldly God? Money . … Money is the jealous god of Israel, in face of which no other god may exist,” Marx wrote in the book—which critics have later described as virulently anti-Semitic.

And in what sounds like a 19th-century version of a screed penned by a Holocaust-denying, white supremacist on a web forum, Marx continues:

“Money degrades all the gods of man—and turns them into commodities. … The bill of exchange is the real god of the Jew. His god is only an illusory bill of exchange. … The chimerical nationality of the Jew is the nationality of the merchant, of the man of money in general.”

The guy sounds like a /pol/ack, I can't wait to see all the sudden "WTF I love Marx now!" memes.

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Marx opined: “Thus we find every tyrant backed by a Jew, as is every pope by a Jesuit. In truth, the cravings of oppressors would be hopeless, and the practicability of war out of the question, if there were not an army of Jesuits to smother thought and a handful of Jews to ransack pockets.

With this, we see the truth. Karl Marx is an unedcuated, racist dumbass who couldn't even balance his own checkbook in between calling Mexicans lazy and Jews greedy. Yet even today, people still persist that his ideology will somehow pull the poor and disenfranchised up and it will be a perfect Utopian society. If your idea of a Utopia is a miserable poor Hellhole, than Marxism is just for you, but I don't like being poor nor do I like my friends being poor so I wont support it.

Inb4 "But he wasn't a REAL Marxist!"


 
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If your idea of a Utopia is a miserable poor Hellhole, than Marxism is just for you, but I don't like being poor nor do I like my friends being poor so I wont support it.
you mean like what we are now

under capitalism


 
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I see nothing false about this statement either:

With this, we see the truth. Donald Trump is an unedcuated, racist dumbass who couldn't even balance his own checkbook in between calling Mexicans lazy and Jews greedy. Yet even today, people still persist that his ideology will somehow pull the poor and disenfranchised up and it will be a perfect Utopian society.

Inb4 "But he wasn't a REAL Trump!"

What exactly are we discussing here? A guy from a different era in history used what we'd consider to be racist and ugly words and phrases to discuss groups of people?

Cause if so, let me lead you through a brief history of our Presidents. 


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I will not deny the flaws of Captialism Verb, you will achieve a objectively perfect economic system. I can't argue against that, but a free market coupled with government regulations and a limited, controlled amount of socialist programs has produced more well-off citizens than any country that has accepted Marxism and became a Communist Hellhole.

I like going to the grocery store and having the choice of choosing between numerous different brands of cereal, all within a nice price range of $2-$5. You don't get that when the government takes control of everything, you get one option and you can't guarantee it'll even be on the shelf when you arrive.

you mean like what we are now

under capitalism


 
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I like going to the grocery store and having the choice of choosing between numerous different brands of cereal, all within a nice price range of $2-$5. You don't get that when the government takes control of everything, you get one option and you can't guarantee it'll even be on the shelf when you arrive.
all you need is one brand anyway

but who's to say there couldn't be more
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The fact that people seriously entertain the thought of this man somehow making a system better for people he looked down on when he himself was in no better situation. Trump was at least a millionaire while stating absolutely vile shit because he knew how to play the system, Marx had nothing and somehow people resonate with a man who's ideology has done nothing but cripple the countries that embraced it.

What exactly are we discussing here? A guy from a different era in history used what we'd consider to be racist and ugly words and phrases to discuss groups of people?

Cause if so, let me lead you through a brief history of our Presidents.


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Garlemald did nothing wrong.
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Compare that with a 1980s Publix where much hasn't changed in the 30 years up to now. Also, it doesn't matter if I NEED only one brand. I don't want to be stuck with the same bowl of government-provided oatmeal for the rest of my life. I want Captain Crunch one week and Cheerios the next, and even in poor conditions I have the freedom to make that choice.

says who

and all you need is one brand anyway


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It was the status quo at the time to discriminate against Jews and hold the belief that science had proved biological inferiorities in blacks. I can't really hold it against the man if he wasn't 200 years ahead of his time.
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Compare that with a 1980s Publix where much hasn't changed in the 30 years up to now. Also, it doesn't matter if I NEED only one brand. I don't want to be stuck with the same bowl of government-provided oatmeal for the rest of my life. I want Captain Crunch one week and Cheerios the next, and even in poor conditions I have the freedom to make that choice.
i can't watch videos right now, you'll have to use your words

there's virtually no actual reason why you couldn't have several choices of products under a socialist system, and the argument from "it has failed several times in the past" doesn't hold up because i can easily just say "it has never been done right"

which i will do right now: it has never been done right

of course, that doesn't mean it can't ever be done right--so the argument you have to be prepared to make is that it could never be done right, which would be pretty bold of you to say


 
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i for one would be perfectly okay with having limited food options, so long as they were vegan and provided all the right nutrients

i'll eat nothing but soylent for all i care


 
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The fact that people seriously entertain the thought of this man somehow making a system better for people he looked down on when he himself was in no better situation. Trump was at least a millionaire while stating absolutely vile shit because he knew how to play the system

So, Trump or any of our past leaders saying shit is okay because they had money? I'm still not sure I see the connection here.

Marx had nothing and somehow people resonate with a man who's ideology has done nothing but cripple the countries that embraced it.

If I understand right, it's a psychological relation. Younger people, particularly millennials, only see the burden of capitalism because of the issues being thrust onto them - trillions in student debt, government financing issues, even the price of gas that was over $4 just a couple of years ago. Naturally, these people would support a different system - socialism - in greater numbers than the generations before them.

They didn't grow up with the constant barrage of "Socialism bad! USSR bad!" that our parents and grandparents did. Instead, they see "socialism" and link it to prosperous countries in Europe, not China and Russia. 

The crippling of those countries also had plenty to do with the corrupt nature of their politicians, socialism aside.
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Garlemald did nothing wrong.
Unless you can create the perfect system on paper that will solve the shortcoming of the free market, your response of "It's never been done right/It's not real socialism" will ring empty. The Free Market system is imperfect, but out of all of human history it's the only one to bear the most fruit for the most people.

This is not a direct assault on all of socialism, as I stated in a previous response, it's the small mix of it in the free market that will yield the most results. But complete socialism where your choices are limited only to what the government offers, has never produced better nations and until one country can prove otherwise, it shouldn't be lauded as superior to Capitalism.

i can't watch videos right now, you'll have to use your words

there's virtually no actual reason why you couldn't have several choices of products under a socialist system, and the argument from "it has failed several times in the past" doesn't hold up because i can easily just say "it has never been done right"

which i will do right now: it has never been done right

of course, that doesn't mean it can't ever be done right--so the argument you have to be prepared to make is that it could never be done right, which would be pretty bold of you to say


 
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Everyone was racist back then, dude. It's nothing special and nothing noteworthy.

And of course (((Marx))) would denounce the other Jews of his time, he needed to appeal to the masses who were largely anti-Semitic and unwelconig of the parasitic Bankers and Merchants.


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So, Trump or any of our past leaders saying shit is okay because they had money? I'm still not sure I see the connection here.

I never stated what Trump says is okay, I don't see what Trump has anything to do with this. You brought him up. I don't support the man and most of what rings true about Marx can be also be said about Trump, the difference being Trump was still a successful business man before being elected where Marx never had any success in finance, mostly because of his own failings.

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If I understand right, it's a psychological relation. Younger people, particularly millennials, only see the burden of capitalism because of the issues being thrust onto them - trillions in student debt, government financing issues, even the price of gas that was over $4 just a couple of years ago. Naturally, these people would support a different system - socialism - in greater numbers than the generations before them.

They didn't grow up with the constant barrage of "Socialism bad! USSR bad!" that our parents and grandparents did. Instead, they see "socialism" and link it to prosperous countries in Europe, not China and Russia.

The socialism they see in Europe is still mostly a free market society though. If the millennials that are denouncing the free market are living in the socialist countries of Europe, they're probably taking for granted the many things that socialism there does not provide.

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The crippling of those countries also had plenty to do with the corrupt nature of their politicians, socialism aside.

You'll get that no matter what kind of government/economic model you follow though.


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i'll eat nothing but soylent for all i care

Do you drink soylent, or are you referring to the movie?


 
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i'll eat nothing but soylent for all i care
Do you drink soylent, or are you referring to the movie?
neither, i'm just saying

i don't know how nutritious it actually is

if i could honest to god live off the stuff and be healthy, i would SO do it, but that seems too good to be true


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i'll eat nothing but soylent for all i care
Do you drink soylent, or are you referring to the movie?
neither, i'm just saying

i don't know how nutritious it actually is

if i could honest to god live off the stuff and be healthy, i would SO do it, but that seems too good to be true

If you're familiar with the actual product, Soylent, there are people that have used it as their sole source of nutrients for over a year, so it's a legitimate thing. I've replaced my breakfasts with it during weekdays.


 
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i'll eat nothing but soylent for all i care
Do you drink soylent, or are you referring to the movie?
neither, i'm just saying

i don't know how nutritious it actually is

if i could honest to god live off the stuff and be healthy, i would SO do it, but that seems too good to be true

If you're familiar with the actual product, Soylent, there are people that have used it as their sole source of nutrients for over a year, so it's a legitimate thing. I've replaced my breakfasts with it during weekdays.
doesn't an all liquid diet start to create problems for the digestive tract though?


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doesn't an all liquid diet start to create problems for the digestive tract though?
I'm really not sure. I don't even know if it would be considered a liquid diet, since that tends to imply a lack of other nutrients. Soylents have soy protein, maltodextrin, and ground oats.