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i just want ammo prices to go back down :(


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Agreed on all points, but I don't think bootlicking. It's being reasonable.


 
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This is not the greatest sig in the world, no. This is just a tribute.
i just want ammo prices to go back down :(
i dunno what AR food is like anymore but 7.62x39 is averaging  just 30 bucks more for a case of 1000 than pre-corona prices.


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What do you need an AR for again? Stopping these rioters and antifa from entering your home or business.


 
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This is not the greatest sig in the world, no. This is just a tribute.
What do you need an AR for again? Stopping these rioters and antifa from entering your home or business.
seems more like I'd need it for stopping the cops from cs gassing me when I'm just trying to do my job and run someone's cable


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I was at and near some protests this past weekend in San Diego. Booked a trip with my girlfriend a week before all this happened and got caught in the middle of it Saturday night. Pretty wild, there were thousands of people, seemed mostly peaceful at first but as it got later in the night the people were wilding out. Normally I would’ve stayed but since I had my girl with me I decided we leave.

We had a great view from our hotel room of the action

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What'd you think of SD besides the chaos?
i loved it. Beautiful scenery, everyone was nice, lots of variety and people. Would consider moving there


 
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We knew the world would not be the same.
A few people laughed, a few people cried, most people were silent.
I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture, the Bhagavad-Gita.
Vishnu is trying to persuade the Prince that he should do his duty
and to impress him takes on his multi-armed form and says,
"Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.."
I suppose we all thought that one way or another.
I was at and near some protests this past weekend in San Diego. Booked a trip with my girlfriend a week before all this happened and got caught in the middle of it Saturday night. Pretty wild, there were thousands of people, seemed mostly peaceful at first but as it got later in the night the people were wilding out. Normally I would’ve stayed but since I had my girl with me I decided we leave.

We had a great view from our hotel room of the action

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i loved it. Beautiful scenery, everyone was nice, lots of variety and people. Would consider moving there
If you're planning on suburbia there are a lot of nice areas all over the county; but when it comes to apartments and condos I would say the further north from the city, the better. The quality to price ratio is a bit less atrocious in the north county area.


 
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Been to as many of the local protests as I can (have 70-80 hour work weeks, so that gets hard at times), and I've seen plenty of both fucked up shit and perfect shit. I got shot at a few times with those wooden baton rounds, and have seen a medic bleeding out after getting one to the head while helping someone. I've also seen peaceful protests where we've just marched, and not much else, most fo the more violent-y ones have started this way, but then some pig dude pulls some shit, and things go haywire.

Just want to say fuck cops, fuck cop supporters, fuck racists, and fuck these feddy boys through and through.


 
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Been to as many of the local protests as I can (have 70-80 hour work weeks, so that gets hard at times), and I've seen plenty of both fucked up shit and perfect shit. I got shot at a few times with those wooden baton rounds, and have seen a medic bleeding out after getting one to the head while helping someone. I've also seen peaceful protests where we've just marched, and not much else, most fo the more violent-y ones have started this way, but then some pig dude pulls some shit, and things go haywire.

Just want to say fuck cops, fuck cop supporters, fuck racists, and fuck these feddy boys through and through.
why couldn’t all of you been like this before

Because I was a dumb motherfucker, let's be honest


 
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Also I honestly think leaving this site helped me a lot with that, I got into more positive circles and less harmful ones all around.


 
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Also I honestly think leaving this site helped me a lot with that, I got into more positive circles and less harmful ones all around.
I’m glad you’re doing better and not associating with the lame ass people you were before. I wish you nothing but the best. Thank you for showing everybody that it’s never too late to change.
Cheers man, I hope you are/will take care of yourself too.

It's funny, because I used to think "why do people on here hate me?" But honestly looking back on it I can totally fucking understand completely. Very sorry for the things I've done and how I acted, to say the least.


 
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I came here recently to tell Cheat to delete my account/permaban me, because of the ugly history this website has which was propagated by you and users like you.
do you honestly think she contributed more to the website's ugly history than you have

is your last post on here going to be a lie


 
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Also I honestly think leaving this site helped me a lot with that, I got into more positive circles and less harmful ones all around.
I’m glad you’re doing better and not associating with the lame ass people you were before. I wish you nothing but the best. Thank you for showing everybody that it’s never too late to change.
Cheers man, I hope you are/will take care of yourself too.

It's funny, because I used to think "why do people on here hate me?" But honestly looking back on it I can totally fucking understand completely. Very sorry for the things I've done and how I acted, to say the least.
Thanks, I’ve been doing good. And don’t worry about it. With all this stuff that’s happened recently, people have been showing their true colors. You see these videos every day of people being vile and racist, politicians and people in places of power exposing just how bad they really are. It’s been a while I came home, and I really started to rethink everything, all those years I struggled to get back. For what? It didn’t feel like the America I remembered. I was always someone who throughout everything that’s happened, respected the flag and didn’t like when people burned it or flipped it upside down. A few days ago I started to think, what’s the difference? I’ll never be an American to these people. This flag doesn’t stand for anything anymore, and no matter how much I respect it, around half the country will never give me that respect back.

I came here recently to tell Cheat to delete my account/permaban me, because of the ugly history this website has which was propagated by you and users like you. I didn’t want to be associated with this place anymore. Then I saw your post, and it was like after those 5 years of posting hate, you made up for all of it. That’s why I said thank you. To see that you changed, you have no idea the way it impacted me, and the hope it gave me that maybe we can all move past this together. I know this is long and maybe it’s a little too sentimental, but it’s how I feel. What you say on the internet does affect people, no matter how anonymous you think you are. Thank you Ender.
There's not much more I can say about my part, especially since I can't ever really make up for a lot of the awful shit I said in the past, but I'm glad that something good has happened in the end.

And I definitely understand the want to have your account deleted, I've thought about it myself, but I just can't let go to things like the old DM's I have.

I came here recently to tell Cheat to delete my account/permaban me, because of the ugly history this website has which was propagated by you and users like you.
do you honestly think she contributed more to the website's ugly history than you have

is your last post on here going to be a lie
I would definitely say I have, even if it's not something I managed alone.


 
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I’ve said plenty of ugly things here that I’m ashamed of and have even apologized for.
Well, it's not just whatever racist comments you've made in the past—and if they were jokes, then there's not much reason to care about them, as far as I'm concerned—but you've also spewed a lot of horrible un-joking shit about transpeople, too, which you've never openly expressed any remorse over.

Even if you still find yourself stuck in your ways about that topic, the garbage opinions and misinformation you've spread about trans issues would go on to fuel the flames stoked by other more toxic and less charitable users than yourself, vindicating their bigotry, and making the forum significantly less comfortable for the high volume of trans users that were present in those times, many of whom were still deeply closeted and figuring themselves out. In your laundry list of users who you've labeled as hateful people, how many of them would like all your posts that expressed conservative gender politics? Probably a lot. Probably all the time.

I'm not trying to pin all this stuff on you, or claim that you're responsible for anyone else's actions. I'm not even asking you to apologize about anything you've said about transpeople, because I know you wouldn't anyway. I'm just asking you to acknowledge that hatred has played a bigger part of your legacy here than you've chosen to own up to.

If you don't, then to me, it proves that you're not exactly the most reformed and morally changed individual that you're trying to paint yourself as here—so enlightened and above it all—when you still perhaps have some work to do in certain areas.

Asking questions and having debates is perfectly okay, but the discussions you've taken part about trans rights have contributed nothing positive to the website whatsoever. By the time you discovered more reasonable ways of engaging with these subjects, it was far too late, and sadly, it had a net negative impact on the community in the long run. Should this matter to you? I don't know, but I think it would be big of you to acknowledge it.
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I spent years getting called a sandnigger and a spic by a lot of users on here. Have you? To top it off they’d rarely get banned for it. One of those users (das boot) is actually a good friend of yours, who you have defended vehemently over the years. I can easily find and post screenshots of you defending him on my server claiming it’s all just jokes and his constant pedophile jokes aren’t a cause for concern at all lmao. Who the fuck are you to try and call me out on anything?
Jokes will always be jokes to me, and I don't think it really matters what the current social climate is. It's one of those things I'll probably never budge on.

That said, a big part of my defending of Das does come from a vague sense of loyalty I have towards those who I consider friends/friendly (which you can say is one of my weaknesses), and also from the idea that I don't want to believe he's really like that offline. I don't believe I've ever said his sense of humor wasn't "cause for concern." If I have, then that was foolish of me to say, and I take it back. What I would say instead is that, as someone who's actually spoken with him, I'm in a better position than you to say that he's not actually a complete degenerate, and over the past year or so he's made some noticeable strides to be a lot less edgy about shit. You haven't been around, so you wouldn't know.

He's a pervert, but the reason I like him in spite of that is because he's honest about it, and he's never really made much of an effort to defend himself. His humor, while gross, is often very self-depreciative and unpretentious in a way that makes it very clear to me that he's not asking you to like him, which I find inherently respectable. He also doesn't dislike me, and has never once given me shit about fucking anything, which I cannot say the same for legitimately anyone else here, at all. As a result, I like the guy. Sue me.

That said, I've never encouraged his humor. I don't even like it, and wish he never developed it, because he was a lot more "normal" on Bnet. I just don't think he's ever really crossed the line, or given me any reason to believe that he's a genuinely bad guy. It's okay if you disagree, though. I understand why you feel the way you do, and it's perfectly rational. I just see the guy differently.

What I'm calling you out over is the horrible stuff you've posted that wasn't in jest. I consider that very different.
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No, I agree that I’ve said fucked up things to trans people on here, but only after they called me shit first. Nuka being a great example of this. I remember I told him to stop whining about something related to the site, and as a result him and Nick McIntyre relentlessly called me a sandnigger for various months and never faced any bans over it.

Cindy was another one who almost everybody here disliked, for the pretentious behavior he displayed and even worse attitude than you. I remember clearly that I made a post telling him he’ll never become a woman as a joke response to something he was saying, I hadn’t even posted in the thread previously. Is that fucked up to say? To me, at that time, after Cindy (and Luciana who was a mod at the time) liked several posts written by Das where he said it’s in my DNA to be “ignorant” about these topics because of my ethnicity, no. I felt like I was simply reciprocating the hate that was being spewed at me which NOBODY on this site ever tried to stop. Be they a mod or just another member of the community who could’ve at least said “hey dude I don’t agree with him either but that’s not cool”. Especially when at the beginning I was being very respectful when it came to discussions on trans issues.

That said, I still believe transitioning does a significant amount of harm to people and many are not happy with the results and STILL commit suicide. My point was always that there must be a better way for trans people to exist. That was ALWAYS my main point, and it quickly turned into every trans user on here thinking I hated them.

And apart from that I have apologized for (some) of the things I said. I won’t apologize for talking about the suicide rates among post transition trans people because those are facts, whether people like them or not.
You have a "facts are facts" attitude, I have a "jokes are jokes" attitude. Maybe these are two sides of the same coin?

This is all I really wanted to hear, though, so thank you—although I'm in no position to thank you on behalf of those you've hurt, I very much appreciate your honesty and your willingness to reflect on these things.

You also make a good point about silence, and you're absolutely right that I (and many others) could've done a lot more to actively fight against that kind of posting. I only have three things to say in defense of that, and they're all pretty weak, so you can take them or leave them:

1. I didn't like you. That's definitely not a good reason, but it's the most straightforward one. I was younger, pettier, and less mature. I've never approved of anyone using your race against you on any level, but I understand that my silence has also contributed damage when I could've spoken up for you in the interest of doing the right thing. I'm sorry.

2. A lot of racism here is expressed in dogwhistles, and I'm pretty slow on the uptake. Someone could post something extremely fucking racist here five years ago and I probably wouldn't have even known it was supposed to be some kind of callsign for white supremacy. Even if I do see someone post a slur, my brain has sort of been conditioned at this point to take it as a joke—call it an overactive defense mechanism.

Let me reclarify my position on jokes, I guess: I do on some level agree that this type of a thing, posted as a joke, could cause some serious harm in the long run. My defense of jokes has always come from the standpoint of "don't hate the joker—hate the idiots who take the jokes seriously," but your perspective on the matter does make sense to me. If nobody realizes you're joking, and all your joke does is create a rally cry for actual racists, then that's not a joke worth telling. There kind of has to be a well-established or widespread understanding that what you're posting is a joke for it to really function as one.

3.  My condemnation of racism has sort of always been an implicit thing by choice, because while I would do anything in my power to eliminate it, I'm ultimately just a guy on the Internet with no authority. This is part of why—believe it or not—I wanted to become a mod here, because it would actually give me the power to get rid of these people. Without that power, if I see someone dropping racial slurs here, there's virtually nothing I can do besides virtue signal—condemn it, despite the fact that everybody already knows that I condemn racism, and if anything, revealing that it upsets me on any level would just encourage even more of it—or so I've been conditioned to believe. It was a meek and defensive and selfish strategy, and while I won't say that I've been entirely nugatory on the matter (I did try to become a mod so I could help enforce the stricter rules that I helped to implement), I have to concede that I could've done more.

So yeah, you're absolutely right about that, and I am sorry for not doing my part to make the forum a bit more enjoyable for you. I could've done a lot more, but between our personal history, my ignorance about racist rhetoric, and my social hang-ups when it comes to openly condemning the universally condemned on the Internet sort of made it difficult for me.
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One point I will make, is that you just being some guy on the internet isn’t true. You always have influence, especially on those that consider you a friend. Them knowing you’re against racism vs you actually calling them out makes a huge difference. Especially when it was against me who you had a well known dislike for. If you (and a lot of other people) would’ve called this behavior out, this website would’ve been very different.
also, just saying, the last time i refused to accept the presence of a racist, i was kicked out of a discord channel


 
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I'll be real with you, definitely not cool with transphobic stuff anymore in any way shape or form tbh


 
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One point I will make, is that you just being some guy on the internet isn’t true. You always have influence, especially on those that consider you a friend. Them knowing you’re against racism vs you actually calling them out makes a huge difference. Especially when it was against me who you had a well known dislike for. If you (and a lot of other people) would’ve called this behavior out, this website would’ve been very different.
also, just saying, the last time i refused to accept the presence of a racist, i was kicked out of a discord channel
You’re really gonna bring this up again. You just didn’t like him because of the shit he kept saying to you. He wasn’t being racist when I kicked you. When he started posting racist shit and I asked him to stop. He didn’t, so I kicked him. I thought he had changed, but he hadn’t. You can see how quickly he went back to calling me a nigger on here because I didn’t allow him to demean black people in my server. I tried giving him a second chance, it didn’t work out.

I kicked you mainly because all you would do is argue with everyone there, and I asked you several times to stop behaving that way. I get disagreeing with people and having strong opinions. But you’d constantly belittle and insult everybody. I said if you’re not like that anymore you’re welcome back, but you didn’t respond. That leads me to believe you’re not interested in being in the server, so I’m not sure why you still care.
because, as you've shown, you still don't get it

you can talk all you want about how it wasn't the only reason, and that i was always acting out, so it was building up over time, and this was just the final straw

but the fact of the matter is, the final straw for you was the fact that i wasn't going to accept the presence of a complete scumfuck shithead like midget in that server, who has always been the way he is, and you've never had any reason to believe he's changed—and then of course, after you kicked the wrong person, he went on to prove me exactly right. my hatred of that fuck has never just been about his treatment of me, or his trolling—he's just a trash human being, and i've always known it

and yet, he deserves to be in the server more than i do, because i don't jerk you off enough

i don't know why i still care either—i just think that's the most hilarious fucking thing ever, and i guess was just wondering if you've caught on to the humor yet. guess not


 
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I can admit that I did enjoy being on your server, and after Midget was finally booted, I did appreciate when you invited me back, because it showed that you still saw me as somebody who could be cool enough to hang around with in spite of everything. It's not often that I get accepted in places, so I tend to take it harder than usual when I'm thrown out of a place where I used to be accepted. It's obvious and worthless to point out, but I probably take a lot of Internet stuff too seriously in that regard.

The reason I didn't come back is not because I'm uninterested in returning, or because I dislike you guys. It's because I knew it would be pointless. You would probably just throw me out for teasing you about your shitty beliefs about veganism again, even though from my perspective, it's all in good fun. It's because you seem to want me to be sorry for what I did, and I'm just not. Fuck Midget. Fuck the idea that you'd let him in for any reason. There's many things I'm prepared to apologize for, and have apologized to you for, but that's not one of them.

It's not that I don't want back in. You don't want me back in, because I haven't changed in the specific way you want me to.
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This thread is about riots, maybe you should move your discussion to a separate thread or use PMs.


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I sincerely hope you stand by these words 100% completely.

You see, unlike you, I don’t condemn people over something they’ve said or done for the rest of their lives. I’m a forgiving person.