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what timeline is this
A single issue party without an actual program getting that many votes. What a sad time to be alive.


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Johnson was a brexiteer so if he's the next PM, Brexit has a chance happening.


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Honestly Tories are vermin.

Fuck Boris Johnson.


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Boris vs. Cunt

Whoever wins, we lose.


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Make Britain great again?


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Corbyn's finally agreed to back a second referendum + remain (in the event of a Tory deal at least)

Prime Minister Jezza when


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JUST GET ON WITH IT.

JUST LEAVE.

UK OUT OF ENGLAND. NOW.


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sick of it mate


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Boris is about to be announced as Prime Minister.


 
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After you vote down every proposed plan about staying or leaving, while voting to ensure the PM cannot leave without a deal, you now get a PM who suggests he'll suspend Parliament to get around a law you passed saying he cant do that.

Oh U.K., you continue to amuse me.
Last Edit: July 23, 2019, 07:31:26 AM by Alternative Facts


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lads it's all fucked

corbyn's no confidence vote will likely fail because lib dems and tories are spinless and care more about their parties than the country, boris will be able to slip no deal through, he'll win the following election and we'll descend further into the tory hellworld


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I came here from b.net after a few Floods invited me. None of them post on either b.net nor here anymore, which is sad. I was still active on b.net until for some bizarre reason, b.net admins locked out people who have not played Destiny. Even if you wanted to post on the offtopic section. After that, I fully moved here and have not returned to b.net since.
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I still cannot believe Boris came back.

...and then became the PM. Is this the meme realm?


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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49493632

lads

democracy has been fucking SUSPENDED in this country

I don't want to hear another word about "democracy" from Brexiteers.

Get the guillotines.


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Parliament is preventing the will of the people.


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Garlemald did nothing wrong.
>vote for brexit
>government stalls for 3 years
>obvious they're attempting to subvert the will of the voters
>elected official stops government from stalling
>omg death of democracy


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>vote for brexit
>government stalls for 3 years
>obvious they're attempting to subvert the will of the voters
>elected official stops government from stalling
>omg death of democracy
I mean, that's not at all what happened.

52% of people voted TO leave, but not HOW to leave.
If anything the vote of HOW to leave was the 2017 election, in which more than 50% of people voted for parties that favoured remain or a Brexit deal over No Deal, which said parties rejected as the worst possible outcome.
In the meantime, parliament has consistently rejected No Deal in indicative votes, etc, and the government's own reports into the consequences of a no-deal Brexit have shown that it will be a disaster for the country.

Now, we have a Prime Minister elected by a vastly unrepresentative (majority old, white and middle class) 0.1% of the population getting permission from an unelected monarch to suspend democracy for an unreasonably long time so he can push no deal through despite the majority of people and parliament having already shown their rejection of the idea.

Also, the referendum isn't the fucking "will of the voters", it was never legally binding and it's already been found that the Leave campaigns broke electoral law and manipulated voters leading up to the referendum.


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The only reason why people like Boris and Nigel want a no deal Brexit is because it means the UK can be turned into a tax free haven.

Rich people are fucking scum.


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Garlemald did nothing wrong.
Now, we have a Prime Minister elected by a vastly unrepresentative (majority old, white and middle class) 0.1% of the population getting permission from an unelected monarch to suspend democracy for an unreasonably long time so he can push no deal through despite the majority of people and parliament having already shown their rejection of the idea.

It seems that no one can decide on a deal and that your government is just continuously trying to delay Brexit until they can get a government in that will just decide to take Brexit away. At least from an outsiders perspective, it feels like Johnson is telling Parliament to quit fucking around. After reading several articles they still have a window (a very very small one I see) to get a deal passed but that remainers just want to stall cause they don't want either a deal or no-deal.

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Also, the referendum isn't the fucking "will of the voters", it was never legally binding and it's already been found that the Leave campaigns broke electoral law and manipulated voters leading up to the referendum.

If they didn't have to listen to the referendum why did Cameron leave? It's dishonest to say you'll have a vote on what the country wants and after it goes through say "Well I don't technically have to follow it so up yours." It just makes the vote look like an over-glorified polling.


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It seems that no one can decide on a deal and that your government is just continuously trying to delay Brexit until they can get a government in that will just decide to take Brexit away. At least from an outsiders perspective, it feels like Johnson is telling Parliament to quit fucking around. After reading several articles they still have a window (a very very small one I see) to get a deal passed but that remainers just want to stall cause they don't want either a deal or no-deal.
That's not what's happening. The opposition MPs (which include leave supporters) want a second referendum (as opposed to just revoking Article 50 outright), because of the fact that parliament can't decide on a deal. They feel that ultimately the most democratic thing would be to go back to the people with a new referendum containing options for No Deal, Deal, and Remain, as this would be the easiest way to break the deadlock. It's been 3 years since the 2016 referendum, and the public knows so much more than they did back then, plus all the stuff with the leave campaigns breaking the law and whatnot. What Boris is doing is bypassing that and making the decision for everyone. He is completely undermining our representative democracy with this action, and it's revolting.

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If they didn't have to listen to the referendum why did Cameron leave? It's dishonest to say you'll have a vote on what the country wants and after it goes through say "Well I don't technically have to follow it so up yours." It just makes the vote look like an over-glorified polling.

The referendum WAS over-glorified polling. Nothing about it was legally binding, but the public was led to believe that it was an actual "vote". That's why MPs for so long were afraid of the prospect of a second referendum of revoking Article 50, because people had been led to believe that the 2016 referendum was absolutely final. Cameron left because he felt that the Prime Minister to deliver Brexit should be someone other than him as he led the campaign to remain. The only reason David Cameron promised a referendum in the first place was so he could use it to win back votes from UKIP in the 2015 election.


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Wew lad, https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/269157

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Noooo don't suspend parliament you're so democratic haha x


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Remain lost so it shouldn't even be an option. The UK is still in the EU even though the people voted to leave the union.


 
 
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>Trump calls a national vote that is completely non-binding, non-committal and 100% advisory to gage public opinion
>"should the USA split into separate states"
>51% of people who voted say yes
>turmoil ensues because A) the votes are extremely divided across the country (some neighboring states vote 95% no but are still forced to break up) and B) no one knows agrees on what "split into separate states" means
>some people think this means keeping everything the same but just without a federal government, others believe this means that all trade and free travel between them has to stop immediately, some think the military should remain shared, others believe it means that people living in a different state than the one they were born in have to relocate back, some think there should be full-on fences marking the borders and traffic stops between each state, others think the dollar should become defunct and every state now needs its own currency...
>Trump doesn't care and signs an executive order saying that the US will simply fall apart in different countries in just 2 years (pretend this is legal) and that Congress just has to sort it out by then
>suddenly, it becomes clear that many of the arguments of the "split" campaign were downright lies (literally the next morning, the primary splitter goes on TV to announce that his main promise of "if we split, every state will receive 100 billion $ as a send-off gift" was entirely bogus)
>it also becomes known that the split campaign violated several voting / funding laws, that foreign interference took place and that extensive voter manipulation happened after a huge misinformation campaign
>as time goes on, it turns out that the process of splitting isn't the promised quick walk in the park as it effects literally EVERYTHING about society (healthcare, military, defense, education, research, finance, borders, security, monetary policy, housing, trade, imports, exports, employment....) and that no one that voted the same way (split) can even agree
>millions of people that voted to split because they merely wanted the federal government gone now find out that they might be sent back to the state they were born in, that a border wall will be pulled up around their entire state, that they need a visa to visit family in the next state over, that they'll be moving to the TexaDollar (which is a lot less valuable than the CaliDollar), that their pensions are cut drastically because their state alone cannot cover it all, that they might be conscripted in the military because there's no longer a large overarching army...
>meanwhile, more and more analyses and studies show that the economy is taking a hit, that the general population is getting screwed, that the rich who were behind the split campaign are moving assets around to play the markets and make millions, and that the split will have serious impacts on the separate states
>plenty of people who voted split now find out that the outcome they envisioned will never happen but that their vote has been hijacked to push through a much more radical and extreme plan they would've never preferred over a United States
>none of the proposed plans are accepted by more then a small group of society so they're all rejected in Congress
>people like you claim that legislators doing their job and trying to find a deal that more than 5% of the population supports are undemocratic, stalling and subverting the will of the people
>several years later, now that all of that has become clear, millions want another vote since the situation has changed drastically (but this request is denied because, apparently, it would be "undemocratic" to vote on something again years later under completely different circumstances with a lot more information being available on the outcome and, as we all know, it's absolutely undemocratic for anyone to change their mind)
>the time limit expires
>no option is supported by more than a small group of people because the "split" campaign is a basket case of people who want different things (anarchists who want to get rid of all governments, radicalists who want complete autonomy and no trade with anyone else, moderates who only wanted the federal government to have less of a say...)
>so the most extreme option of all, the one that is supported by probably not even 10% of people (as opposed to the 49% that wanted things to stay the same), of "no deal" is accepted by default, meaning that all borders are immediately closed, that there's zero trade happening between states, that no one can move outside of their state, that the dollar becomes defunct, the military is dissolved, all healthcare services and government programs instantly expire and so on...

GOTTA LOVE DEMOCRACY MAN!

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jokes and exaggerations aside, your understanding of what happened is pretty inaccurate. In the end, this was a non-binding and advisory vote that boiled an incredibly complex issue down to a very vague yes/no question that an absolutely marginal majority decided would affect important aspects of your life. Since everyone who voted "no" had a different idea of what this meant, you don't have a single unified "no" camp but a dozen factions that all want their own thing (many of which would rather keep things the same than have another version of "no"). Imagine if you were asked to vote on whether taxes should be raised. You vote no. The next day, the government announces that because 51% said that taxes shouldn't be raised, they now have a mandate to cut all public funding for education, healthcare, NASA, environmental protection and research to fund military expansion instead. Oh, you disagree? Well too bad, you said you didn't think taxes could be raised so this is the alternative. Oh, you think it should actually be voted on how we manage the budget without raising taxes and what should be prioritized? Well, fuck you, you're just trying to stall the process and subvert the will of the people that want lower taxes. Oh, you want to vote again now that you know what will happen if we can't raise taxes? You fucking make me sick, THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE HAS SPOKEN THIS IS DEMOCRACY.
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You'd think people would have voted Remain if they had wanted to remain as opposed to leaving the EU.


 
 
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You'd think people would have voted Remain if they had wanted to remain as opposed to leaving the EU.
I personally know a leave voter who said he'd rather stay than have a no deal exit at this point. Don't act like it's not possible.


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So Michael Gove was on the Andrew Marr show earlier, and has now said that the government would be prepared to block any anti-no deal legislation and that in the event of a no deal Brexit, "everyone will have the food they need".

At least these Tories are being honest about being a group of elite autocrats, but they don't really have a leg to stand on anymore when they call Corbyn a radical who wants to undermine our democracy.


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Garlemald did nothing wrong.
Didn't May have three different plans that weren't "No-Deal" denied? You could say they were shitty plans, but if No-Deal is the shittiest of the shit surely hers weren't as bad? Are you saying there isn't anybody in the Remain camp in Parliament not just denying anything that doesn't involve staying?



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Garlemald did nothing wrong.
I mean, the man does use Venezuela as a country of how "socialism works" yet still lacks the necessities of toilet paper, diapers, and juice boxes. Out of all the countries in the world he wants to model Venezuela....

At least these Tories are being honest about being a group of elite autocrats, but they don't really have a leg to stand on anymore when they call Corbyn a radical who wants to undermine our democracy.