Mike Pence didn't support gay conversion therapy

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Preface: I don't support Trump, but clarifying widespread misinformation should be seen as politically neutral.

http://www.snopes.com/mike-pence-supported-gay-conversion-therapy/

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The allegation dates back to 2000, when Pence was running for Congress. His campaign web site at the time touted his call to add a stipulation to the Ryan White Comprehensive AIDS Resources Emergency (CARE) Act, a 1990 law providing funding for HIV/AIDS treatment for patients living with the disease lacking either the income or the necessary insurance to pay for it on their own:

Congress should support the reauthorization of the Ryan White Care Act only after completion of an audit to ensure that federal dollars were no longer being given to organizations that celebrate and encourage the types of behaviors that facilitate the spreading of the HIV virus. Resources should be directed toward those institutions which provide assistance to those seeking to change their sexual behavior.

AKA, wearing condoms and limiting the number of sexual partners, which should be recognized as basic sexual health education, which some clinics do fail to provide.


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so... he's not Mike "If you don't like twat, prepare for a gigawatt" Pence?


 
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He really couldn't have worded that in a more suspect way.


 
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He really couldn't have worded that in a more suspect way.

This is the issue at hand - Pence's stance on conversion therapy incredibly ambiguous and boils down to what you believe "seeking to change sexual behavior" refers to. Does behavior refer to increasing support for things like condoms, or does it refer to sexuality?

The problem is that Pence has never clarified his position - but in light of other statements and laws issues re the LGBT community, it's safely assumed that Pence didn't just want to push for more condoms.


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He really couldn't have worded that in a more suspect way.
It isn't even suspect, it's in blatant support of conversion therapy.

Turkey, come on man. Don't you go crazy too.
Last Edit: November 13, 2016, 10:53:59 AM by rc


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to ensure that federal dollars were no longer being given to organizations that celebrate and encourage the types of behaviors that facilitate the spreading of the HIV virus.
Monogamous sex doesn't spread the HIV virus unless one of the people already has it, and even then it's contained to the couple. Trying to weasel this into "Pence wants to shockjock the gay away" is as disingenuous as "Trump thinks paying for schools is stupid, because he doesn't pay one type of tax that he's not obligated to pay whilst paying all the other taxes that he is obligated to". Attack the man on things that have substance not hearsay ffs.


 
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to ensure that federal dollars were no longer being given to organizations that celebrate and encourage the types of behaviors that facilitate the spreading of the HIV virus.
Monogamous sex doesn't spread the HIV virus unless one of the people already has it, and even then it's contained to the couple. Trying to weasel this into "Pence wants to shockjock the gay away" is as disingenuous


It really isn't.


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We knew the world would not be the same. A few people laughed, a few people cried, most people were silent. I remembered the line from the shitlord scripture the Bhagavad Reeeeeeeta; Kek is trying to persuade the prince that he should save his people, and to impress him takes on his frog-headed form, and says, "Now I am become meme, the destroyer of cucks." I suppose we all thought that, one way or another.
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to ensure that federal dollars were no longer being given to organizations that celebrate and encourage the types of behaviors that facilitate the spreading of the HIV virus.
Monogamous sex doesn't spread the HIV virus unless one of the people already has it, and even then it's contained to the couple. Trying to weasel this into "Pence wants to shockjock the gay away" is as disingenuous


It really isn't.
Except you're putting words in his mouth because it /sounds/ like a "dogwhistle"


 
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to ensure that federal dollars were no longer being given to organizations that celebrate and encourage the types of behaviors that facilitate the spreading of the HIV virus.
Monogamous sex doesn't spread the HIV virus unless one of the people already has it, and even then it's contained to the couple. Trying to weasel this into "Pence wants to shockjock the gay away" is as disingenuous


It really isn't.
Except you're putting words in his mouth because it /sounds/ like a "dogwhistle"

Not so much putting words into his mouth, but basing interpretation on multiple other anti-LGBT statements and legislation, both proposed and signed.

Also, where the hell did your line on monogamous sex even come from? It's nowhere in the article or legislation.


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While Pence certainly doesn't have the best record on LGBT rights, I'm struggling to find evidence that he supports conversion therapy.


 
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While Pence certainly doesn't have the best record on LGBT rights, I'm struggling to find evidence that he supports conversion therapy.

As I said, it comes down to what you deem "sexual behavior". Sexuality or simply risky sex.


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While Pence certainly doesn't have the best record on LGBT rights, I'm struggling to find evidence that he supports conversion therapy.

As I said, it comes down to what you deem "sexual behavior". Sexuality or simply risky sex.

One of the biggest issues Clinton had in the campaign was not only constantly refuting or attacking Trump rather than spreading her on messages, but also wildly exaggerating claims. I sincerely doubt Pence considers conversation therapy a legitimate part of any platform, but he and Trump do have a track record of being anti-LGBT rights and that is worthy of criticism. We don't have to turn him into mini-Hitler to demonstrate that they're not good for gay rights.


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We knew the world would not be the same. A few people laughed, a few people cried, most people were silent. I remembered the line from the shitlord scripture the Bhagavad Reeeeeeeta; Kek is trying to persuade the prince that he should save his people, and to impress him takes on his frog-headed form, and says, "Now I am become meme, the destroyer of cucks." I suppose we all thought that, one way or another.
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to ensure that federal dollars were no longer being given to organizations that celebrate and encourage the types of behaviors that facilitate the spreading of the HIV virus.
Monogamous sex doesn't spread the HIV virus unless one of the people already has it, and even then it's contained to the couple. Trying to weasel this into "Pence wants to shockjock the gay away" is as disingenuous


It really isn't.
Except you're putting words in his mouth because it /sounds/ like a "dogwhistle"

Not so much putting words into his mouth, but basing interpretation on multiple other anti-LGBT statements and legislation, both proposed and signed.

Also, where the hell did your line on monogamous sex even come from? It's nowhere in the article or legislation.
Monogamous sex was my interpretation of his alternative to "the types of behaviors that facilitate the spreading of the HIV virus.", given that it's the standard christian solution along with abstinence. Now gays aren't that promiscuous, but they certainly could be less promiscuous than they are now. Of course, same goes for straights.