Israel and Palestine

challengerX · January 16, 2016, 05:00:43 PM

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Mordo · January 16, 2016, 05:06:36 PM

Israel could probably do with some self restraint every now and then. That white phosphorous stuff was shady as shit.

That being said, the state that Palestine is in is entirely self inflicted.

Luciana · January 16, 2016, 05:21:58 PM

They're both in the wrong on various levels

challengerX · January 16, 2016, 05:45:20 PM

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CIS · January 16, 2016, 06:04:06 PM

Threads like these make me wish Kiyo was still here.

January 16, 2016, 07:28:50 PM

Israel is and always has been the aggressor.

Alternative Facts · January 16, 2016, 07:33:43 PM

Neither is in the right, and Western nations were in the wrong in the 1940's when they simply plopped Israel down on an established country without working to integrate it.

Turkey · January 16, 2016, 07:42:56 PM

Quote from: SecondClass on January 16, 2016, 07:28:50 PM

Israel is and always has been the aggressor.

This is demonstrably untrue in practically every conflict. You can certainly argue the ethics of their strategy but it's just patently false to say they've always been the aggressor.

Super Irish · January 16, 2016, 08:12:16 PM

Both sides are arseholes, but both deserve to exist (The states, I mean. The parties ruling both need a huge change). Only a two state solution is feasible for any lasting peace, but neither side atm want that.

That said, I hold Israel to a higher standard because they aren't run by a group of terrorists (unlike Gaza, not entirely certain for West Bank's Fatah leadership), so them doing their "door knocking", use of questionable weapons, building of illegal settlements and discrimination towards muslim arabs within their own country is more abhorrent.

Hamas are fear-mongering cowardly fucks, but terrorists are gonna terror. It sucks for the civilians on either side, but Palestinians are more fucked because Hamas aren't doing anything for them, Israel isn't doing anything for them, nor is anyone else. I'm surprised the 400,000 that left for Lebanon since the '67 war didn't move, what with the Syrian refugee crisis making it far easier to cross into Europe.

Mordo · January 16, 2016, 08:20:42 PM

le appeal to middle ground meme

Jocephalopod · January 16, 2016, 09:15:48 PM

New Zealand should have been made into Israel tbh

Cadenza has moved on · January 16, 2016, 11:56:56 PM

Quote from: Jocephalopod on January 16, 2016, 09:15:48 PM

New Zealand should have been made into Israel tbh

You never stop trying to sell our land, John Key.

Jocephalopod · January 17, 2016, 12:03:29 AM

Quote from: Cadenza on January 16, 2016, 11:56:56 PM

Quote from: Jocephalopod on January 16, 2016, 09:15:48 PM
New Zealand should have been made into Israel tbh
You never stop trying to sell our land, John Key.

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it will be good for business

and the lamb

Cadenza has moved on · January 17, 2016, 12:17:36 AM

Quote from: Jocephalopod on January 17, 2016, 12:03:29 AM

Quote from: Cadenza on January 16, 2016, 11:56:56 PM
Quote from: Jocephalopod on January 16, 2016, 09:15:48 PM
New Zealand should have been made into Israel tbh
You never stop trying to sell our land, John Key.

YouTube

it will be good for business

and the lamb

Like how prostituting your daughter was good for business.

Jocephalopod · January 17, 2016, 12:31:34 AM

Quote from: Cadenza on January 17, 2016, 12:17:36 AM

Quote from: Jocephalopod on January 17, 2016, 12:03:29 AM
Quote from: Cadenza on January 16, 2016, 11:56:56 PM
Quote from: Jocephalopod on January 16, 2016, 09:15:48 PM
New Zealand should have been made into Israel tbh
You never stop trying to sell our land, John Key.

YouTube

it will be good for business

and the lamb
Like how prostituting your daughter was good for business.

lol what the fuck

i feel like jim would be into her

Cadenza has moved on · January 17, 2016, 12:34:30 AM

Quote from: Jocephalopod on January 17, 2016, 12:31:34 AM

Quote from: Cadenza on January 17, 2016, 12:17:36 AM
Quote from: Jocephalopod on January 17, 2016, 12:03:29 AM
Quote from: Cadenza on January 16, 2016, 11:56:56 PM
Quote from: Jocephalopod on January 16, 2016, 09:15:48 PM
New Zealand should have been made into Israel tbh
You never stop trying to sell our land, John Key.

YouTube

it will be good for business

and the lamb
Like how prostituting your daughter was good for business.

lol what the fuck

i feel like jim would be into her

Jim and John both.

Luciana · January 17, 2016, 02:11:10 AM

Quote from: challengerX on January 16, 2016, 05:45:20 PM

Quote from: Luciana on January 16, 2016, 05:21:58 PM
They're both in the wrong on various levels
But who would you say is more in the wrong?

The wronger ones

ΚΑΤΑΝΑΛΩΤΗΣ · January 17, 2016, 02:14:17 AM

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More Than Mortal · January 17, 2016, 10:49:53 AM

Quote from: † on January 17, 2016, 02:50:53 AM

Palestinians being crazy fucks is largely Israel's fault

Not really, Palestinian support for Hamas has been steadily dropping for a while now, even throughout Operation Cast Lead.

The problem is Hamas and other fundamentalist Palestinian groups, not the Palestinians themselves (most of them, today, at least).

DAS B00T x2 · January 17, 2016, 11:30:58 AM

Israel should really just be allowed to annex Palestine, Syria, Jordan, and the Suez canal. The world would seriously be a much better place.

Alternative Facts · January 17, 2016, 07:36:58 PM

Quote from: DAS THE HALLS on January 17, 2016, 11:30:58 AM

Israel should really just be allowed to annex Palestine, Syria, Jordan, and the Suez canal. The world would seriously be a much better place.

No.

DAS B00T x2 · January 17, 2016, 07:37:52 PM

Quote from: Icy on January 17, 2016, 07:36:58 PM

Quote from: DAS THE HALLS on January 17, 2016, 11:30:58 AM
Israel should really just be allowed to annex Palestine, Syria, Jordan, and the Suez canal. The world would seriously be a much better place.

No.

Yes.
Actually, let's just give them everything from Chad to Iraq.

Alternative Facts · January 17, 2016, 07:41:27 PM

Quote from: DAS THE HALLS on January 17, 2016, 07:37:52 PM

Quote from: Icy on January 17, 2016, 07:36:58 PM
Quote from: DAS THE HALLS on January 17, 2016, 11:30:58 AM
Israel should really just be allowed to annex Palestine, Syria, Jordan, and the Suez canal. The world would seriously be a much better place.

No.
Yes.
Actually, let's just give them everything from Chad to Iraq.

Lets give it to China.

Anonymous (User Deleted) · January 17, 2016, 09:28:53 PM

Quote from: Imperial Apologist on January 17, 2016, 10:49:53 AM

Not really, Palestinian support for Hamas has been steadily dropping for a while now, even throughout Operation Cast Lead.

Man, I hope so.

More Than Mortal · January 17, 2016, 10:29:50 PM

Quote from: Kupoop on January 17, 2016, 09:28:53 PM

Quote from: Imperial Apologist on January 17, 2016, 10:49:53 AM
Not really, Palestinian support for Hamas has been steadily dropping for a while now, even throughout Operation Cast Lead.
Man, I hope so.

It's a pretty solid trend. It continued even throughout the blockade.