Quote from: Mr Psychologist on September 14, 2014, 07:12:08 PMAnd the shitstorm resumes.*sigh*Yeah, well imagine the people who have to live their entire lives dealing with this kind of bullcrap on a regular basis.Gee, I wonder where those mental problems actually come from.
And the shitstorm resumes.*sigh*
Right, and that's exactly why you respond the way you do. Like the way you misgendered Noelle in plug.dj and other places. Totally not trying to stir up anger, right?Don't make me start quoting things from this thread.
Uh... I don't think its a disorder. I mean, those people look fine to me.
Quote from: Korra on September 14, 2014, 07:21:07 PMUh... I don't think its a disorder. I mean, those people look fine to me.That's not what defines a disorder, though.
Quote from: Nuka on September 14, 2014, 07:07:17 PMRight, and that's exactly why you respond the way you do. Like the way you misgendered Noelle in plug.dj and other places. Totally not trying to stir up anger, right?Don't make me start quoting things from this thread.I call Noel "he" because I don't recognize transgenderism as a legitimate change of gender. Not trying to stir up anything, just standing by my beliefs.
Misgendering and knowingly using the wrong name is purposely stirring up trouble.Hey, basic human respect anybody?
Quote from: SecondClass on September 14, 2014, 07:21:28 PMQuote from: Nuka on September 14, 2014, 07:07:17 PMRight, and that's exactly why you respond the way you do. Like the way you misgendered Noelle in plug.dj and other places. Totally not trying to stir up anger, right?Don't make me start quoting things from this thread.I call Noel "he" because I don't recognize transgenderism as a legitimate change of gender. Not trying to stir up anything, just standing by my beliefs.Misgendering and knowingly using the wrong name is purposely stirring up trouble.Hey, basic human respect anybody?
Quote from: Nuka on September 14, 2014, 07:25:00 PMMisgendering and knowingly using the wrong name is purposely stirring up trouble.Hey, basic human respect anybody?Hey guys, could you call me God? That's my preferred title.It makes me feel uncomfortable when you don't, so... You have to.It's called respect.
Quote from: Nuka on September 14, 2014, 07:25:00 PMQuote from: SecondClass on September 14, 2014, 07:21:28 PMQuote from: Nuka on September 14, 2014, 07:07:17 PMRight, and that's exactly why you respond the way you do. Like the way you misgendered Noelle in plug.dj and other places. Totally not trying to stir up anger, right?Don't make me start quoting things from this thread.I call Noel "he" because I don't recognize transgenderism as a legitimate change of gender. Not trying to stir up anything, just standing by my beliefs.Misgendering and knowingly using the wrong name is purposely stirring up trouble.Hey, basic human respect anybody?If I said that I believed I was a bear at heart, and demanded you call me "it", and that my new name was "Rrrragh", would you do that? Same exact thing.
Plus this is a silly analogy.
I should never have made this.
Quote from: SecondClass on September 14, 2014, 07:26:49 PMQuote from: Nuka on September 14, 2014, 07:25:00 PMQuote from: SecondClass on September 14, 2014, 07:21:28 PMQuote from: Nuka on September 14, 2014, 07:07:17 PMRight, and that's exactly why you respond the way you do. Like the way you misgendered Noelle in plug.dj and other places. Totally not trying to stir up anger, right?Don't make me start quoting things from this thread.I call Noel "he" because I don't recognize transgenderism as a legitimate change of gender. Not trying to stir up anything, just standing by my beliefs.Misgendering and knowingly using the wrong name is purposely stirring up trouble.Hey, basic human respect anybody?If I said that I believed I was a bear at heart, and demanded you call me "it", and that my new name was "Rrrragh", would you do that? Same exact thing.I don't see why not. It's the internet, after all. Who the fuck cares?Generally "it" is a bit offensive though, so I might use "they" instead.
Quote from: Nuka on September 14, 2014, 07:28:01 PMQuote from: SecondClass on September 14, 2014, 07:26:49 PMQuote from: Nuka on September 14, 2014, 07:25:00 PMQuote from: SecondClass on September 14, 2014, 07:21:28 PMQuote from: Nuka on September 14, 2014, 07:07:17 PMRight, and that's exactly why you respond the way you do. Like the way you misgendered Noelle in plug.dj and other places. Totally not trying to stir up anger, right?Don't make me start quoting things from this thread.I call Noel "he" because I don't recognize transgenderism as a legitimate change of gender. Not trying to stir up anything, just standing by my beliefs.Misgendering and knowingly using the wrong name is purposely stirring up trouble.Hey, basic human respect anybody?If I said that I believed I was a bear at heart, and demanded you call me "it", and that my new name was "Rrrragh", would you do that? Same exact thing.I don't see why not. It's the internet, after all. Who the fuck cares?Generally "it" is a bit offensive though, so I might use "they" instead.No matter how hard I try, I can not bring myself to refer to an individual with a plural pronoun. I've since found it much simpler to just not use pronouns for trans people at all, even if it looks a tad unnatural. Nobody gets offended and my inner grammar nazi is satisfied.
Why, because someone is here to actually defend the otherwise largely targeted and mocked?
I'm sorry this isn't going the path or your usual political shitfests where everyone makes fun of Kinder.
Quote from: Nuka on September 14, 2014, 07:30:25 PMWhy, because someone is here to actually defend the otherwise largely targeted and mocked?Um, no. I'm a supporter of the LGBT community.QuoteI'm sorry this isn't going the path or your usual political shitfests where everyone makes fun of Kinder.I really don't do that anymore, and I'm sure Kinder will support that for me. I got tired of that a while back, and keep it to Anarchy now. Also, stop being such a sanctimonious prick - I actually like you. You can't pin the actions of posters on me when it suits your caricature of me as some Machiavellian discord-sower.
Well sorry if I'm a little peeved to see the path this thread immediately went before I got involved.
Quote from: Nuka on September 14, 2014, 07:34:57 PMWell sorry if I'm a little peeved to see the path this thread immediately went before I got involved.If by "the path" you mean Challenger and Class expressing their opinions, you seriously need to calm down. Are transgendered persons the victims of abuse? Yes, unfortunately routinely. Is having a discussion, wherein a few people express their belief that it is a mental disorder, abuse? No. Absolutely not.
"the mysterious stranger said they were coming for a visit"
Quote from: DAS B00T x2 on September 14, 2014, 07:30:49 PMQuote from: Nuka on September 14, 2014, 07:28:01 PMQuote from: SecondClass on September 14, 2014, 07:26:49 PMQuote from: Nuka on September 14, 2014, 07:25:00 PMQuote from: SecondClass on September 14, 2014, 07:21:28 PMQuote from: Nuka on September 14, 2014, 07:07:17 PMRight, and that's exactly why you respond the way you do. Like the way you misgendered Noelle in plug.dj and other places. Totally not trying to stir up anger, right?Don't make me start quoting things from this thread.I call Noel "he" because I don't recognize transgenderism as a legitimate change of gender. Not trying to stir up anything, just standing by my beliefs.Misgendering and knowingly using the wrong name is purposely stirring up trouble.Hey, basic human respect anybody?If I said that I believed I was a bear at heart, and demanded you call me "it", and that my new name was "Rrrragh", would you do that? Same exact thing.I don't see why not. It's the internet, after all. Who the fuck cares?Generally "it" is a bit offensive though, so I might use "they" instead.No matter how hard I try, I can not bring myself to refer to an individual with a plural pronoun. I've since found it much simpler to just not use pronouns for trans people at all, even if it looks a tad unnatural. Nobody gets offended and my inner grammar nazi is satisfied.Actually the original definition of they/them/their was both singular and plural. It wasn't until recently that it was changed. Plus, say there's a mystery person whose gender you're unaware of. How would most people talk about them? "the mysterious stranger said they were coming for a visit"
Quote from: Nuka on September 14, 2014, 07:33:13 PM"the mysterious stranger said they were coming for a visit"Singular they is to be discouraged at all times, yet may be acceptable when noun/pronoun disagreement cannot be avoided.Anyway, the sentence still instinctively reads as if multiple people are coming.
I'm not pinning all the blame on you, so don't take it that way.
Quote from: Nuka on September 14, 2014, 07:39:48 PMI'm not pinning all the blame on you, so don't take it that way.You shouldn't pin any blame on me. You consent to the inevitable controversy that comes from discussing controversial topics when you enter this board.
Quote from: Meta Cognition on September 14, 2014, 07:48:59 PMQuote from: Nuka on September 14, 2014, 07:39:48 PMI'm not pinning all the blame on you, so don't take it that way.You shouldn't pin any blame on me. You consent to the inevitable controversy that comes from discussing controversial topics when you enter this board.So you're saying I should just ignore everything in here since it's offensive and not have a say at all?
Quote from: Nuka on September 14, 2014, 07:51:09 PMQuote from: Meta Cognition on September 14, 2014, 07:48:59 PMQuote from: Nuka on September 14, 2014, 07:39:48 PMI'm not pinning all the blame on you, so don't take it that way.You shouldn't pin any blame on me. You consent to the inevitable controversy that comes from discussing controversial topics when you enter this board.So you're saying I should just ignore everything in here since it's offensive and not have a say at all?No, not at all. I'm saying you shouldn't accuse me of trying to start something when you've chosen to partake in a patently controversial discussion. Defend the marginalised all you like.
Quote from: DAS B00T x2 on September 14, 2014, 07:40:52 PMQuote from: Nuka on September 14, 2014, 07:33:13 PM"the mysterious stranger said they were coming for a visit"Singular they is to be discouraged at all times, yet may be acceptable when noun/pronoun disagreement cannot be avoided.Anyway, the sentence still instinctively reads as if multiple people are coming."Somebody left their umbrella in the office. Would they please collect it?""That person said they don't know where to go""The student failed their exam""When I tell someone a joke they laugh"Also the singular use of they/them/their goes back to the 14th century.
Quote from: Nuka on September 14, 2014, 07:46:40 PMQuote from: DAS B00T x2 on September 14, 2014, 07:40:52 PMQuote from: Nuka on September 14, 2014, 07:33:13 PM"the mysterious stranger said they were coming for a visit"Singular they is to be discouraged at all times, yet may be acceptable when noun/pronoun disagreement cannot be avoided.Anyway, the sentence still instinctively reads as if multiple people are coming."Somebody left their umbrella in the office. Would they please collect it?""That person said they don't know where to go""The student failed their exam""When I tell someone a joke they laugh"Also the singular use of they/them/their goes back to the 14th century.#murica
Is transgenderism a mental disorder?
