Quote from: SecondClass on September 14, 2014, 05:49:28 PMQuote from: Nuka on September 14, 2014, 05:48:20 PMQuote from: SecondClass on September 14, 2014, 05:47:23 PMQuote from: Nuka on September 14, 2014, 05:46:24 PMTell that to people who are born intersex.People who are actually born intersex have a whole different ballpark. They're one of the few kinds of people that can actually choose what sex they'd like to be.>implying they have to choose just to make society happyAre you implying that intersex people should actually live their lives that way...? Please tell me you're not serious.They should live whatever fucking way they want because it doesn't affect anyone else in any way. Get a fucking grip and stop trying to police other people's lives. It's literally the same argument for homosexuality. Does it affect you in any personal way? No? Get the fuck over it. Not your life and not for you to decide.
Quote from: Nuka on September 14, 2014, 05:48:20 PMQuote from: SecondClass on September 14, 2014, 05:47:23 PMQuote from: Nuka on September 14, 2014, 05:46:24 PMTell that to people who are born intersex.People who are actually born intersex have a whole different ballpark. They're one of the few kinds of people that can actually choose what sex they'd like to be.>implying they have to choose just to make society happyAre you implying that intersex people should actually live their lives that way...? Please tell me you're not serious.
Quote from: SecondClass on September 14, 2014, 05:47:23 PMQuote from: Nuka on September 14, 2014, 05:46:24 PMTell that to people who are born intersex.People who are actually born intersex have a whole different ballpark. They're one of the few kinds of people that can actually choose what sex they'd like to be.>implying they have to choose just to make society happy
Quote from: Nuka on September 14, 2014, 05:46:24 PMTell that to people who are born intersex.People who are actually born intersex have a whole different ballpark. They're one of the few kinds of people that can actually choose what sex they'd like to be.
Tell that to people who are born intersex.
Quote from: SecondClass on September 14, 2014, 05:56:43 PMQuote from: Verbatim on September 14, 2014, 05:53:51 PMThe thing is, I'm totally with you on this argument, but to say that "gender" isn't a mere contrivance and is the same thing as sex is a sign of intellectual bankruptcy. How can we discuss this if you're going to just bend words to your own will?Whatever, now we're just arguing semantics. We're deviating from the original question, to which the answer is yes. Gender dysphoria. the reason people are transgenders, is a certified mental disorder. That's what people seem to be ignoring.I'd argue you're confusing causality. Transgenderism causes the dysphoria.
Quote from: Verbatim on September 14, 2014, 05:53:51 PMThe thing is, I'm totally with you on this argument, but to say that "gender" isn't a mere contrivance and is the same thing as sex is a sign of intellectual bankruptcy. How can we discuss this if you're going to just bend words to your own will?Whatever, now we're just arguing semantics. We're deviating from the original question, to which the answer is yes. Gender dysphoria. the reason people are transgenders, is a certified mental disorder. That's what people seem to be ignoring.
The thing is, I'm totally with you on this argument, but to say that "gender" isn't a mere contrivance and is the same thing as sex is a sign of intellectual bankruptcy. How can we discuss this if you're going to just bend words to your own will?
Quote from: Meta Cognition on September 14, 2014, 05:58:20 PMQuote from: SecondClass on September 14, 2014, 05:56:43 PMQuote from: Verbatim on September 14, 2014, 05:53:51 PMThe thing is, I'm totally with you on this argument, but to say that "gender" isn't a mere contrivance and is the same thing as sex is a sign of intellectual bankruptcy. How can we discuss this if you're going to just bend words to your own will?Whatever, now we're just arguing semantics. We're deviating from the original question, to which the answer is yes. Gender dysphoria. the reason people are transgenders, is a certified mental disorder. That's what people seem to be ignoring.I'd argue you're confusing causality. Transgenderism causes the dysphoria.Transgenderism is when you change your sex. The desire to change your sex is a result of the dysphoria.
Quote from: SecondClass on September 14, 2014, 05:54:39 PMNot really for my own convenience, more for the sake of objective truth.The discrepancies between mental and physical masculinity/femininity, being the main topic of discussion, are differentiated easily by referring to the mental as "gender" and the physical as "sex". Why would you purposely make discussion more difficult by arbitrarily creating a line of equivalence between the two words? As if the English language is the ultimate, infallible dictator of all meaning in the universe. As if words have never had their definitions changed drastically in the past.
Not really for my own convenience, more for the sake of objective truth.
For the former, because living like that is disgusting and no one will ever take you seriously.
Quote from: Verbatim on September 14, 2014, 05:59:22 PMQuote from: SecondClass on September 14, 2014, 05:54:39 PMNot really for my own convenience, more for the sake of objective truth.The discrepancies between mental and physical masculinity/femininity, being the main topic of discussion, are differentiated easily by referring to the mental as "gender" and the physical as "sex". Why would you purposely make discussion more difficult by arbitrarily creating a line of equivalence between the two words? As if the English language is the ultimate, infallible dictator of all meaning in the universe. As if words have never had their definitions changed drastically in the past.Now you're talking about gender roles, which aren't the same thing as gender itself.
Now you're talking about gender roles, which aren't the same thing as gender itself.
Quote from: SecondClass on September 14, 2014, 05:59:50 PMFor the former, because living like that is disgusting and no one will ever take you seriously.So just because there's some bigots out there like you clearly no one is ever going to take them seriously. Right. Because your opinion of what is disgusting and what is not is totally relevant. I think your foot fetish is disgusting, but does that have any relevance?
Quote from: Nuka on September 14, 2014, 06:03:59 PMQuote from: SecondClass on September 14, 2014, 05:59:50 PMFor the former, because living like that is disgusting and no one will ever take you seriously.So just because there's some bigots out there like you clearly no one is ever going to take them seriously. Right. Because your opinion of what is disgusting and what is not is totally relevant. I think your foot fetish is disgusting, but does that have any relevance?You're using the word "bigot" wrong again. And the thing is, I don't have a giant sticker on my forehead that says "I HAVE A FOOT FETISH". Herms make it obvious that they're holding the lock and the key, just from people seeing their face. They're producing both hormones, so they look like a man and a woman, which is disgusting and weird. Again, this is an argument of should, not have to.
Calling SecondClass a bigot is pretty silly. Is someone who wants to find a way to prevent/treat autism an ableist?
So then what about people that walk around in tattoos or piercings? Some people think it's wrong and disgusting, and they're clearly showing that off to the public. Soooo terrible.
Quote from: Verbatim on September 14, 2014, 06:08:10 PMCalling SecondClass a bigot is pretty silly. Is someone who wants to find a way to prevent/treat autism an ableist?Because calling out semantics will get you so far. You know what I meant, don't bother twisting it.
Wait...this hermaphrodite thing is real?Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat???
Quote from: Nuka on September 14, 2014, 06:10:35 PMSo then what about people that walk around in tattoos or piercings? Some people think it's wrong and disgusting, and they're clearly showing that off to the public. Soooo terrible.That's not even on remotely the same level as the way herms look.
Nazi-esque pig raping fucktoid
is that really what you'd consider a quality insult?
Quote from: RC5908 on September 14, 2014, 06:22:45 PMis that really what you'd consider a quality insult?Dumbcunt alert.The "quality" of the insult isn't the point, jackass.The point is that he's clearly not a Nazi, nor is he a pig rapist. As far as I know.In terms you can understand (maybe):Slander is bad.If he can't demonstrate SecondClass's bigotry, he has no place calling him a bigot.
No, insult someone properly if you're gonna do it at all. Please.
You definitely implied that that was a proper insult. Is dumbcunt a proper insult too?
Quote from: Ossku on September 14, 2014, 06:14:45 PMWait...this hermaphrodite thing is real?Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat???Yes, there are people that are born with characteristics from both sexes. The reason you generally don't hear about them is because their parents/doctor decides how they have to live before giving them the choice.
One more question. Does transgenderism cause dysphoria, or does dysphoria cause transgenderism?
Quote from: RC5908 on September 14, 2014, 06:28:49 PMYou definitely implied that that was a proper insult. Is dumbcunt a proper insult too?No I didn't. Holy batshit, you're a fucking imbecile...A "proper" insult is one that isn't slander, like the pig rapist example that I gave.The fact that I have to spam this topic with non-sequitur bullshit just to explain this simple shit to you retards is pathetic.
No insult would be the "proper" insult around these parts.
Quote from: Meta Cognition on September 14, 2014, 06:33:28 PMOne more question. Does transgenderism cause dysphoria, or does dysphoria cause transgenderism?I may be wrong, but I thought "transgender" referred to people who changed their sex. So the dysphoria (thinking that you're a different sex to begin with) would lead to the transgenderism.
Is transgenderism a mental disorder?
