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Is this immoral?

 
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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
A very wealthy man wants to have sex with young girls. But, he's a utilitarian who would never dream of causing suffering, harm or humiliation.

So, he buys human eggs on the open market and mixes them with his own sperm in a lab. He pays a lot of money for the eggs and the lab, everybody's making money, he pays a woman a lot for her to be a surrogate. At five months of gestation he has a special surgeon come in and perform an operation to sever the brain-stem which would cause the child to be born brain dead. No sensation is ever felt by this person over the course of her life from conception to eventual death.

The child is born, he pays to have the body taken to his house and then when it reaches the age of 11-12 he begins having sex with it.




 
 
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Not at all. Morality is just the emotional rules governing the relationship between sapient creatures. The thing you described isn't sapient at all.

 
 
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We knew the world would not be the same.
A few people laughed, a few people cried, most people were silent.
I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture, the Bhagavad-Gita.
Vishnu is trying to persuade the Prince that he should do his duty
and to impress him takes on his multi-armed form and says,
"Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.."
I suppose we all thought that one way or another.
Purposely removing sentience so you can fuck a child seems rather immoral and crude, yeah.

 
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Quote from: Nuka on September 14, 2014, 07:49:19 PM
Purposely removing sentience so you can fuck a child seems rather immoral and crude, yeah.
So the dis-allowance of potential sentience for personal gain is an immoral act?

 
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If I'm not here, I'm doing photography. Or I'm asleep. Or in lockdown. One of those three, anyway.

The current titlebar/avatar setup is just normal.
Let's see...


Incest? Check
An OTT Lobotomy? Check
Essentially paying for sex? Check

Yep, pretty damn immoral.


You could even argue it goes against his utilitarian beliefs seeing as he's making a child brain-dead on purpose, similar to those brain-dead vegetables in hospitals they pull the plugs on. That's total psychological harm by making them husks, and then humiliation by fucking them.



EDIT: Oh, and that's ignoring the elephant in the room with the pedophilia and rape. (Even if this was in the Vatican/Japan, it's still un-consented sex)
Last Edit: September 14, 2014, 07:56:02 PM by SuperIrish

 
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We knew the world would not be the same.
A few people laughed, a few people cried, most people were silent.
I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture, the Bhagavad-Gita.
Vishnu is trying to persuade the Prince that he should do his duty
and to impress him takes on his multi-armed form and says,
"Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.."
I suppose we all thought that one way or another.
Quote from: Meta Cognition on September 14, 2014, 07:50:44 PM
Quote from: Nuka on September 14, 2014, 07:49:19 PM
Purposely removing sentience so you can fuck a child seems rather immoral and crude, yeah.
So the dis-allowance of potential sentience for personal gain is an immoral act?
I'm not saying it's inhumane or anything, just pretty immoral. If something like that gains acceptance then it could turn into a market where people start selling these human bodies.

Sure they don't know or feel anything, but think of the implications.

 
 
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This is not the greatest sig in the world, no. This is just a tribute.
On one hand, he just rendered a child that should be beyond abortion terms essentially dead.
On the other hand, nobody is actually suffering and this placates any desire to harm others from the man (at least until he grows tired of his "living" sex doll.)
On the third hand, I now know what Meta's doing when he wins the lottery.

 
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Quote from: SuperIrish on September 14, 2014, 07:53:36 PM
Let's see...


Incest? Check
An OTT Lobotomy? Check
Essentially paying for sex? Check

Yep, pretty damn immoral.


You could even argue it goes against his utilitarian beliefs seeing as he's making a child brain-dead on purpose, similar to those brain-dead vegetables in hospitals they pull the plugs on. That's total psychological harm by making them husks, and then humiliation by fucking them.



EDIT: Oh, and that's ignoring the elephant in the room with the pedophilia and rape. (Even if this was in the Vatican/Japan, it's still un-consented sex)
I wouldn't say it's rape.

Besides that, however, incest, prostitution and paedophilia aren't immoral by any reasonable capacity.

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Quote from: Meta Cognition on September 14, 2014, 07:57:35 PM
I wouldn't say it's rape.

Besides that, however, incest, prostitution and paedophilia aren't immoral by any reasonable capacity.


It's still rape if they don't have the mental capacity to answer. Same as ryhypnol or excessive amounts of alcohol.


And as for the latter, how so? Genuinely intrigued. (excl. Prostitution to be fair, but I'm erring on the the side of immoral)
Last Edit: September 14, 2014, 08:09:40 PM by SuperIrish

 
 
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Quote from: SuperIrish on September 14, 2014, 07:53:36 PM
Incest? Check
Essentially paying for sex? Check

Yep, pretty damn immoral.
Neither incest nor prostitution is immoral.

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Incest.
Paying to sex young child that's yours.

Immoral as hell.

 
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Just what the literal fuck was going through your mind to make you think up this scenario?

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Quote from: Mr Psychologist on September 14, 2014, 08:50:28 PM


Just what the literal fuck was going through your mind to make you think up this scenario?
>meta
>not having questionable thoughts

pick one pl0x

 
 
 
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Quote from: Kinder_ on September 14, 2014, 08:58:26 PM
Quote from: Mr Psychologist on September 14, 2014, 08:50:28 PM


Just what the literal fuck was going through your mind to make you think up this scenario?
>meta
>not having questionable thoughts

pick one pl0x

lol

But even by his standards this is twisted.

 
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Quote from: Mr Psychologist on September 14, 2014, 08:59:12 PM
Quote from: Kinder_ on September 14, 2014, 08:58:26 PM
Quote from: Mr Psychologist on September 14, 2014, 08:50:28 PM


Just what the literal fuck was going through your mind to make you think up this scenario?
>meta
>not having questionable thoughts

pick one pl0x

lol

But even by his standards this is twisted.

Nah

He even said he was standing over his step-dad and about to stab/kill him

 
 
 
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Quote from: Kinder_ on September 14, 2014, 09:00:05 PM
Quote from: Mr Psychologist on September 14, 2014, 08:59:12 PM
Quote from: Kinder_ on September 14, 2014, 08:58:26 PM
Quote from: Mr Psychologist on September 14, 2014, 08:50:28 PM


Just what the literal fuck was going through your mind to make you think up this scenario?
>meta
>not having questionable thoughts

pick one pl0x

lol

But even by his standards this is twisted.

Nah

He even said he was standing over his step-dad and about to stab/kill him

Call me old fashioned but this is worse.

 
 
 
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I didn't originally respond to this thread, because my answer is a given, but like... I saw the replies, and I was like...

GIVE ME THE RED BUTTON.

 
 
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Holy sh1t I don't even possess the will to respond, how did you even come up with that

Like seriously you could be the next H.R. Giger here if you just funneled this creativity into visual art. And, well, if you started making everything penises, but that's a different story.

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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
Oh my God, this thread is fucking priceless.

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I'd say yes, since you're turning a fetus, that was going to develop a human being, into a mindless husk. I'd say that's different from abortion, as abortion is simply ending it early (out of need, I might add) and this is changing it to something else.

If you were to change the genome to never have the fetus grow a brain in the first place, and have it grow in some kind of artificial womb (tank), though? Then that would be more of a biologically grown sex doll, and not a changed human.

To be honest though, this is grey as fuck when it comes to morality. Is human life sacred? Is life in general? Does an entity that not feel or think have rights?

Still, I think that dooming a growing fetus to an existence in limbo is pretty cruel. Not because of any experience you put it through, since it would be void of senses. But rather to rob it of being capable of sensing at all, while still continuing to exist as a hollow shell...

 
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I wouldn't say it's immoral, but it seems fucked up nonetheless.

This is one of those situations where I would just try not to think about what the person is doing, like how I do with people who eat afterbirth.

 
 
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Quote from: ねこ on September 14, 2014, 09:38:17 PM
Meta is more like a mad scientist who would use something that would creep the shit out of someone like Mr.Psychologist [even though I'm dessapointed by the fact that he said he enjoys blood and ogre and is being a huge pussy right meow]

FTFY <.<

I do love blood and gore, but this is pretty twisted.
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