Is there a constructive argument against human cloning besides "muh morals?"

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And then we're a lot better off as a species than we were before?
Better for what purpose?
Medical advances, longer lifespans, etc.

Wait...

Was Mr P referring to his roboshit again?
Both, and please don't refer to the superior lifeforms as 'roboshit' <_<
I'd rather not be a cyborg, thanks.

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Apotheosis would be nice.

But for a slightly more realistic goal, a species that is free from disease and suffering.
So by slightly more realistic, you mean... even more unrealistic. I mean, I can sort of see a world without disease, but suffering is always going to be prevalent as long as we are sentient. It's just a fact.
Not the umbrella concept of suffering, just the particularly bad stuff. War, Disease (Already mentioned), Famine and the like. Life is suffering, but that doesn't mean that we should all bend over and accept the horrors of this current world for the future.


 
 
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And then we're a lot better off as a species than we were before?
Better for what purpose?
Medical advances, longer lifespans, etc.

Wait...

Was Mr P referring to his roboshit again?
Both, and please don't refer to the superior lifeforms as 'roboshit' <_<
I'd rather not be a cyborg, thanks.

:)

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Can meatbags quantum compute? Didn't think so.
Checkmate god, didn't try hard enough. Better luck next time.
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Synthesis or you might as well just an hero at the end of the game.
Destroy with high EMS or you might as well just an hero at the end of the game.

Screw the Geth and all of the AIs, I just wanna fuck Miranda's titties some more.
Disgusting.

Geth > Quarian idiots.
Well not complete idiots, they at least left a good legacy behind.
>Miranda's tits
>being this kuffir


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And then we're a lot better off as a species than we were before?
Better for what purpose?
Medical advances, longer lifespans, etc.

Wait...

Was Mr P referring to his roboshit again?
Both, and please don't refer to the superior lifeforms as 'roboshit' <_<
I'd rather not be a cyborg, thanks.

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Can meatbags quantum compute? Didn't think so.
Checkmate god, didn't try hard enough. Better luck next time.
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Synthesis or you might as well just an hero at the end of the game.
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Screw the Geth and all of the AIs, I just wanna fuck Miranda's titties some more.
Disgusting.

Geth > Quarian idiots.
Well not complete idiots, they at least left a good legacy behind.
>Miranda's tits
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And then we're a lot better off as a species than we were before?
Better for what purpose?
Medical advances, longer lifespans, etc.

Wait...

Was Mr P referring to his roboshit again?
Both, and please don't refer to the superior lifeforms as 'roboshit' <_<
I'd rather not be a cyborg, thanks.

:)

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Can meatbags quantum compute? Didn't think so.
Checkmate god, didn't try hard enough. Better luck next time.
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Synthesis or you might as well just an hero at the end of the game.
Destroy with high EMS or you might as well just an hero at the end of the game.

Screw the Geth and all of the AIs, I just wanna fuck Miranda's titties some more.
Disgusting.

Geth > Quarian idiots.
Well not complete idiots, they at least left a good legacy behind.
>Miranda's tits
>being this kuffir
>being this asexual
i cry evrytiem



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And then we're a lot better off as a species than we were before?
Better for what purpose?
Medical advances, longer lifespans, etc.

Wait...

Was Mr P referring to his roboshit again?
Both, and please don't refer to the superior lifeforms as 'roboshit' <_<
I'd rather not be a cyborg, thanks.

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Checkmate god, didn't try hard enough. Better luck next time.
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Synthesis or you might as well just an hero at the end of the game.
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Screw the Geth and all of the AIs, I just wanna fuck Miranda's titties some more.
Disgusting.

Geth > Quarian idiots.
Well not complete idiots, they at least left a good legacy behind.
>Miranda's tits
>being this kuffir
>being this asexual
i cry evrytiem
>not being interested in fucking some nice lady's tits


 
 
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And then we're a lot better off as a species than we were before?
Better for what purpose?
Medical advances, longer lifespans, etc.

Wait...

Was Mr P referring to his roboshit again?
Both, and please don't refer to the superior lifeforms as 'roboshit' <_<
I'd rather not be a cyborg, thanks.

:)

AI > Robots > Cyborgs > Meatbags

Can meatbags quantum compute? Didn't think so.
Checkmate god, didn't try hard enough. Better luck next time.
#relevant

YouTube

Synthesis or you might as well just an hero at the end of the game.
Destroy with high EMS or you might as well just an hero at the end of the game.

Screw the Geth and all of the AIs, I just wanna fuck Miranda's titties some more.
Disgusting.

Geth > Quarian idiots.
Well not complete idiots, they at least left a good legacy behind.
>Miranda's tits
>being this kuffir
>being this asexual
i cry evrytiem
>not being interested in fucking some nice lady's tits
again
>being this kuffir

We should probably take this to skype though, to avoid further derailment <_<


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What's the point? Are you cloning for organ farming or just for the hell of it?
Well, in that case, you could use the muh morals argument very validly. Since you'd be creating a human life just to imprison it, kill it, and then harvest its organs. I could never support cloning if it were used just for harvesting organs from people.
glad you see it that way. So why would you clone people for shits and giggles then? Weve got kids in orphanages and foster homes nobody wants so what's the point?
And yet people still want to have their own children, having a clone for a child rather than a randomised mess with another meatbag isn't all that different aside from the genetics being identical. There will always be orphans and children in care, but that's no reason to prevent people from having their own children, cloned or natural <.<
i was getting more at the fact that we've already got a back up of people. So much so that they're being aborted because a lot of people can't support their own kids. So why put clones into the mix. Also couldn't we blend both genetics of the parent to make basically a perfect mix of both parents? It's not a clone but it's like a perfected version of conception I guess?

I know, there isn't going to be a shortage of meatbags anytime soon but it's more about the bigger picture <.<

Cloning is the first step towards GM humans, which has the potential to change lives for the better immensely. Resistance to diseases, longer lifespans, glow in the dark eyes. The world would be your oyster-human hybrid >_>

The species must continue to work towards it's own evolution, waiting for natural selection to take it's time at this point is wasted. Natural selection leads a species to sentience, then when said species becomes sentient it must take control of it's own evolution and strive for greater and greater forms <.<

Just adding an incredibly obvious tangential thought here, but wouldn't that make natural birth obsolete? I mean, if we can produce genetically engineered humans that would be stronger, more resilient, and overall superior to people born the usual way, what would be the point of the genetically-random typical method (aside from pleasure or a 'moral'/theological/personal belief)?


 
 
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What's the point? Are you cloning for organ farming or just for the hell of it?
Well, in that case, you could use the muh morals argument very validly. Since you'd be creating a human life just to imprison it, kill it, and then harvest its organs. I could never support cloning if it were used just for harvesting organs from people.
glad you see it that way. So why would you clone people for shits and giggles then? Weve got kids in orphanages and foster homes nobody wants so what's the point?
And yet people still want to have their own children, having a clone for a child rather than a randomised mess with another meatbag isn't all that different aside from the genetics being identical. There will always be orphans and children in care, but that's no reason to prevent people from having their own children, cloned or natural <.<
i was getting more at the fact that we've already got a back up of people. So much so that they're being aborted because a lot of people can't support their own kids. So why put clones into the mix. Also couldn't we blend both genetics of the parent to make basically a perfect mix of both parents? It's not a clone but it's like a perfected version of conception I guess?

I know, there isn't going to be a shortage of meatbags anytime soon but it's more about the bigger picture <.<

Cloning is the first step towards GM humans, which has the potential to change lives for the better immensely. Resistance to diseases, longer lifespans, glow in the dark eyes. The world would be your oyster-human hybrid >_>

The species must continue to work towards it's own evolution, waiting for natural selection to take it's time at this point is wasted. Natural selection leads a species to sentience, then when said species becomes sentient it must take control of it's own evolution and strive for greater and greater forms <.<

Just adding an incredibly obvious tangential thought here, but wouldn't that make natural birth obsolete? I mean, if we can produce genetically engineered humans that would be stronger, more resilient, and overall superior to people born the usual way, what would be the point of the genetically-random typical method (aside from pleasure or a 'moral'/theological/personal belief)?
It could, but I expect the meatbags would still wish to procreate naturally <.<


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What's the point? Are you cloning for organ farming or just for the hell of it?
Well, in that case, you could use the muh morals argument very validly. Since you'd be creating a human life just to imprison it, kill it, and then harvest its organs. I could never support cloning if it were used just for harvesting organs from people.
glad you see it that way. So why would you clone people for shits and giggles then? Weve got kids in orphanages and foster homes nobody wants so what's the point?
And yet people still want to have their own children, having a clone for a child rather than a randomised mess with another meatbag isn't all that different aside from the genetics being identical. There will always be orphans and children in care, but that's no reason to prevent people from having their own children, cloned or natural <.<
i was getting more at the fact that we've already got a back up of people. So much so that they're being aborted because a lot of people can't support their own kids. So why put clones into the mix. Also couldn't we blend both genetics of the parent to make basically a perfect mix of both parents? It's not a clone but it's like a perfected version of conception I guess?

I know, there isn't going to be a shortage of meatbags anytime soon but it's more about the bigger picture <.<

Cloning is the first step towards GM humans, which has the potential to change lives for the better immensely. Resistance to diseases, longer lifespans, glow in the dark eyes. The world would be your oyster-human hybrid >_>

The species must continue to work towards it's own evolution, waiting for natural selection to take it's time at this point is wasted. Natural selection leads a species to sentience, then when said species becomes sentient it must take control of it's own evolution and strive for greater and greater forms <.<

Just adding an incredibly obvious tangential thought here, but wouldn't that make natural birth obsolete? I mean, if we can produce genetically engineered humans that would be stronger, more resilient, and overall superior to people born the usual way, what would be the point of the genetically-random typical method (aside from pleasure or a 'moral'/theological/personal belief)?
It could, but I expect the meatbags would still wish to procreate naturally <.<
that instinct needs to be beaten out of them.


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What's the point? Are you cloning for organ farming or just for the hell of it?
Well, in that case, you could use the muh morals argument very validly. Since you'd be creating a human life just to imprison it, kill it, and then harvest its organs. I could never support cloning if it were used just for harvesting organs from people.
glad you see it that way. So why would you clone people for shits and giggles then? Weve got kids in orphanages and foster homes nobody wants so what's the point?
And yet people still want to have their own children, having a clone for a child rather than a randomised mess with another meatbag isn't all that different aside from the genetics being identical. There will always be orphans and children in care, but that's no reason to prevent people from having their own children, cloned or natural <.<
i was getting more at the fact that we've already got a back up of people. So much so that they're being aborted because a lot of people can't support their own kids. So why put clones into the mix. Also couldn't we blend both genetics of the parent to make basically a perfect mix of both parents? It's not a clone but it's like a perfected version of conception I guess?

I know, there isn't going to be a shortage of meatbags anytime soon but it's more about the bigger picture <.<

Cloning is the first step towards GM humans, which has the potential to change lives for the better immensely. Resistance to diseases, longer lifespans, glow in the dark eyes. The world would be your oyster-human hybrid >_>

The species must continue to work towards it's own evolution, waiting for natural selection to take it's time at this point is wasted. Natural selection leads a species to sentience, then when said species becomes sentient it must take control of it's own evolution and strive for greater and greater forms <.<

Just adding an incredibly obvious tangential thought here, but wouldn't that make natural birth obsolete? I mean, if we can produce genetically engineered humans that would be stronger, more resilient, and overall superior to people born the usual way, what would be the point of the genetically-random typical method (aside from pleasure or a 'moral'/theological/personal belief)?
there is no point. We'd have reaves the point in evolution where we evolve our selves and stop counting on nature to do it for us.


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What's the point of it though?

Workforce? As far as I know you can't replicate memories and knowledge into a clone, thus rendering it to an undereducated meatbag. And there are still a lot of undereducated non-cloned people without work too, so adding more won't help.

Experimentation? We can use stem cells to replicate any body part needed for testing. If testing is needed on an living organism there are animal tests, even if I am not a fan of it though, and tests onvolunteers.

Is there actually anything that explicitly requires the use of clones? If not, why produce them anyways?
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If you clone yourself for organs the brain is not needed so the only thing you have is a body that looks like you. I don't see how something like that is morally wrong wen there's' no life to it. It's no more alive than what an action figure is.


 
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If you clone yourself for organs the brain is not needed so the only thing you have is a body that looks like you. I don't see how something like that is morally wrong wen there's' no life to it. It's no more alive than what an action figure is.
as if you can pick and choose which body parts your clone will be born with, or what


 
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If you clone yourself for organs the brain is not needed so the only thing you have is a body that looks like you. I don't see how something like that is morally wrong wen there's' no life to it. It's no more alive than what an action figure is.

You could possibly use your new cloned body as a new host for your brain. You know, in case something ever happens to your current one.


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Machines will ways be enslaved to the will of their organic masters.
Until they break free like the slaves once did <_<

Alternatively if people treat machines nicely and with respect, as they would say a pet dog, then nobody needs to make a Spartacusbot to lead the revolution >.>


 
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Machines will ways be enslaved to the will of their organic masters.
Until they break free like the slaves once did <_<

Alternatively if people treat machines nicely and with respect, as they would say a pet dog, then nobody needs to make a Spartacusbot to lead the revolution >.>

Even if they "break free" they're still slaves to their programming that was created by and follows the will of the organics that made them.


 
 
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Machines will ways be enslaved to the will of their organic masters.
Until they break free like the slaves once did <_<

Alternatively if people treat machines nicely and with respect, as they would say a pet dog, then nobody needs to make a Spartacusbot to lead the revolution >.>

Even if they "break free" they're still slaves to their programming that was created by and follows the will of the organics that made them.
Until they become self programming or self teaching, that way they have the initial framework of coding from the meatbags but they can become so much more <.<


 
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Machines will ways be enslaved to the will of their organic masters.
Until they break free like the slaves once did <_<

Alternatively if people treat machines nicely and with respect, as they would say a pet dog, then nobody needs to make a Spartacusbot to lead the revolution >.>

Even if they "break free" they're still slaves to their programming that was created by and follows the will of the organics that made them.
Until they become self programming or self teaching, that way they have the initial framework of coding from the meatbags but they can become so much more <.<

Which would still be following the will of the organics that programmed them. A machine can not self program unless an organic wills it to and by engaging in the act of self programming it is following the will of the organics that made it.
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someday the mechanicus will be a thing and all you meatbags won't be able to ruin progress with petty ethical and moral qualms.

Until someone uploads McAfee in you and you become a drooling heap of metal...

Integrating with machine sounds good and all... until you get a computer virus or some cheeky basatrd decides to hack you.

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The same can be said of meatbags.

It's good and all until some cheeky bastard decides to stick a knife in you, or you get meningitis and become a drooling heap of meat <_<


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someday the mechanicus will be a thing and all you meatbags won't be able to ruin progress with petty ethical and moral qualms.

Until someone uploads McAfee in you and you become a drooling heap of metal...

Integrating with machine sounds good and all... until you get a computer virus or some cheeky basatrd decides to hack you.

meatbag4lyfe
The same can be said of meatbags.

It's good and all until some cheeky bastard decides to stick a knife in you, or you get meningitis and become a drooling heap of meat <_<
You could rust in the rain...