Is there a constructive argument against human cloning besides "muh morals?"

Not Comms Officer | Legendary Invincible!
 
more |
XBL:
PSN:
Steam: CAESAR JIHADIVS
ID: CAESAR JIHADIVS
IP: Logged

4,736 posts
Khilafah420
And then we're a lot better off as a species than we were before?
Better for what purpose?
Medical advances, longer lifespans, etc.

Wait...

Was Mr P referring to his roboshit again?
Both, and please don't refer to the superior lifeforms as 'roboshit' <_<
I'd rather not be a cyborg, thanks.

:)

AI > Robots > Cyborgs > Meatbags

Can meatbags quantum compute? Didn't think so.
Checkmate god, didn't try hard enough. Better luck next time.
#relevant

YouTube

Synthesis or you might as well just an hero at the end of the game.
Destroy with high EMS or you might as well just an hero at the end of the game.

Screw the Geth and all of the AIs, I just wanna fuck Miranda's titties some more.
Disgusting.

Geth > Quarian idiots.
Well not complete idiots, they at least left a good legacy behind.
>Miranda's tits


 
 
Mr. Psychologist
| Imperial Forum Ninja
 
more |
XBL:
PSN:
Steam:
ID: Mr Psychologist
IP: Logged

17,318 posts
<.<
Apotheosis would be nice.

But for a slightly more realistic goal, a species that is free from disease and suffering.
So by slightly more realistic, you mean... even more unrealistic. I mean, I can sort of see a world without disease, but suffering is always going to be prevalent as long as we are sentient. It's just a fact.
Not the umbrella concept of suffering, just the particularly bad stuff. War, Disease (Already mentioned), Famine and the like. Life is suffering, but that doesn't mean that we should all bend over and accept the horrors of this current world for the future.


 
 
Mr. Psychologist
| Imperial Forum Ninja
 
more |
XBL:
PSN:
Steam:
ID: Mr Psychologist
IP: Logged

17,318 posts
<.<
And then we're a lot better off as a species than we were before?
Better for what purpose?
Medical advances, longer lifespans, etc.

Wait...

Was Mr P referring to his roboshit again?
Both, and please don't refer to the superior lifeforms as 'roboshit' <_<
I'd rather not be a cyborg, thanks.

:)

AI > Robots > Cyborgs > Meatbags

Can meatbags quantum compute? Didn't think so.
Checkmate god, didn't try hard enough. Better luck next time.
#relevant

YouTube

Synthesis or you might as well just an hero at the end of the game.
Destroy with high EMS or you might as well just an hero at the end of the game.

Screw the Geth and all of the AIs, I just wanna fuck Miranda's titties some more.
Disgusting.

Geth > Quarian idiots.
Well not complete idiots, they at least left a good legacy behind.
>Miranda's tits
>being this kuffir


Not Comms Officer | Legendary Invincible!
 
more |
XBL:
PSN:
Steam: CAESAR JIHADIVS
ID: CAESAR JIHADIVS
IP: Logged

4,736 posts
Khilafah420
And then we're a lot better off as a species than we were before?
Better for what purpose?
Medical advances, longer lifespans, etc.

Wait...

Was Mr P referring to his roboshit again?
Both, and please don't refer to the superior lifeforms as 'roboshit' <_<
I'd rather not be a cyborg, thanks.

:)

AI > Robots > Cyborgs > Meatbags

Can meatbags quantum compute? Didn't think so.
Checkmate god, didn't try hard enough. Better luck next time.
#relevant

YouTube

Synthesis or you might as well just an hero at the end of the game.
Destroy with high EMS or you might as well just an hero at the end of the game.

Screw the Geth and all of the AIs, I just wanna fuck Miranda's titties some more.
Disgusting.

Geth > Quarian idiots.
Well not complete idiots, they at least left a good legacy behind.
>Miranda's tits
>being this kuffir
>being this asexual


 
 
Mr. Psychologist
| Imperial Forum Ninja
 
more |
XBL:
PSN:
Steam:
ID: Mr Psychologist
IP: Logged

17,318 posts
<.<
And then we're a lot better off as a species than we were before?
Better for what purpose?
Medical advances, longer lifespans, etc.

Wait...

Was Mr P referring to his roboshit again?
Both, and please don't refer to the superior lifeforms as 'roboshit' <_<
I'd rather not be a cyborg, thanks.

:)

AI > Robots > Cyborgs > Meatbags

Can meatbags quantum compute? Didn't think so.
Checkmate god, didn't try hard enough. Better luck next time.
#relevant

YouTube

Synthesis or you might as well just an hero at the end of the game.
Destroy with high EMS or you might as well just an hero at the end of the game.

Screw the Geth and all of the AIs, I just wanna fuck Miranda's titties some more.
Disgusting.

Geth > Quarian idiots.
Well not complete idiots, they at least left a good legacy behind.
>Miranda's tits
>being this kuffir
>being this asexual
i cry evrytiem



Not Comms Officer | Legendary Invincible!
 
more |
XBL:
PSN:
Steam: CAESAR JIHADIVS
ID: CAESAR JIHADIVS
IP: Logged

4,736 posts
Khilafah420
And then we're a lot better off as a species than we were before?
Better for what purpose?
Medical advances, longer lifespans, etc.

Wait...

Was Mr P referring to his roboshit again?
Both, and please don't refer to the superior lifeforms as 'roboshit' <_<
I'd rather not be a cyborg, thanks.

:)

AI > Robots > Cyborgs > Meatbags

Can meatbags quantum compute? Didn't think so.
Checkmate god, didn't try hard enough. Better luck next time.
#relevant

YouTube

Synthesis or you might as well just an hero at the end of the game.
Destroy with high EMS or you might as well just an hero at the end of the game.

Screw the Geth and all of the AIs, I just wanna fuck Miranda's titties some more.
Disgusting.

Geth > Quarian idiots.
Well not complete idiots, they at least left a good legacy behind.
>Miranda's tits
>being this kuffir
>being this asexual
i cry evrytiem
>not being interested in fucking some nice lady's tits


 
 
Mr. Psychologist
| Imperial Forum Ninja
 
more |
XBL:
PSN:
Steam:
ID: Mr Psychologist
IP: Logged

17,318 posts
<.<
And then we're a lot better off as a species than we were before?
Better for what purpose?
Medical advances, longer lifespans, etc.

Wait...

Was Mr P referring to his roboshit again?
Both, and please don't refer to the superior lifeforms as 'roboshit' <_<
I'd rather not be a cyborg, thanks.

:)

AI > Robots > Cyborgs > Meatbags

Can meatbags quantum compute? Didn't think so.
Checkmate god, didn't try hard enough. Better luck next time.
#relevant

YouTube

Synthesis or you might as well just an hero at the end of the game.
Destroy with high EMS or you might as well just an hero at the end of the game.

Screw the Geth and all of the AIs, I just wanna fuck Miranda's titties some more.
Disgusting.

Geth > Quarian idiots.
Well not complete idiots, they at least left a good legacy behind.
>Miranda's tits
>being this kuffir
>being this asexual
i cry evrytiem
>not being interested in fucking some nice lady's tits
again
>being this kuffir

We should probably take this to skype though, to avoid further derailment <_<


Doctor Doom | Mythic Invincible!
 
more |
XBL:
PSN:
Steam:
ID: Lord Keksworth
IP: Logged

7,391 posts
the one true God is Doctor Doom and we should all be worshiping him.


What's the point? Are you cloning for organ farming or just for the hell of it?
Well, in that case, you could use the muh morals argument very validly. Since you'd be creating a human life just to imprison it, kill it, and then harvest its organs. I could never support cloning if it were used just for harvesting organs from people.
glad you see it that way. So why would you clone people for shits and giggles then? Weve got kids in orphanages and foster homes nobody wants so what's the point?
And yet people still want to have their own children, having a clone for a child rather than a randomised mess with another meatbag isn't all that different aside from the genetics being identical. There will always be orphans and children in care, but that's no reason to prevent people from having their own children, cloned or natural <.<
i was getting more at the fact that we've already got a back up of people. So much so that they're being aborted because a lot of people can't support their own kids. So why put clones into the mix. Also couldn't we blend both genetics of the parent to make basically a perfect mix of both parents? It's not a clone but it's like a perfected version of conception I guess?

I know, there isn't going to be a shortage of meatbags anytime soon but it's more about the bigger picture <.<

Cloning is the first step towards GM humans, which has the potential to change lives for the better immensely. Resistance to diseases, longer lifespans, glow in the dark eyes. The world would be your oyster-human hybrid >_>

The species must continue to work towards it's own evolution, waiting for natural selection to take it's time at this point is wasted. Natural selection leads a species to sentience, then when said species becomes sentient it must take control of it's own evolution and strive for greater and greater forms <.<

Just adding an incredibly obvious tangential thought here, but wouldn't that make natural birth obsolete? I mean, if we can produce genetically engineered humans that would be stronger, more resilient, and overall superior to people born the usual way, what would be the point of the genetically-random typical method (aside from pleasure or a 'moral'/theological/personal belief)?


 
 
Mr. Psychologist
| Imperial Forum Ninja
 
more |
XBL:
PSN:
Steam:
ID: Mr Psychologist
IP: Logged

17,318 posts
<.<


What's the point? Are you cloning for organ farming or just for the hell of it?
Well, in that case, you could use the muh morals argument very validly. Since you'd be creating a human life just to imprison it, kill it, and then harvest its organs. I could never support cloning if it were used just for harvesting organs from people.
glad you see it that way. So why would you clone people for shits and giggles then? Weve got kids in orphanages and foster homes nobody wants so what's the point?
And yet people still want to have their own children, having a clone for a child rather than a randomised mess with another meatbag isn't all that different aside from the genetics being identical. There will always be orphans and children in care, but that's no reason to prevent people from having their own children, cloned or natural <.<
i was getting more at the fact that we've already got a back up of people. So much so that they're being aborted because a lot of people can't support their own kids. So why put clones into the mix. Also couldn't we blend both genetics of the parent to make basically a perfect mix of both parents? It's not a clone but it's like a perfected version of conception I guess?

I know, there isn't going to be a shortage of meatbags anytime soon but it's more about the bigger picture <.<

Cloning is the first step towards GM humans, which has the potential to change lives for the better immensely. Resistance to diseases, longer lifespans, glow in the dark eyes. The world would be your oyster-human hybrid >_>

The species must continue to work towards it's own evolution, waiting for natural selection to take it's time at this point is wasted. Natural selection leads a species to sentience, then when said species becomes sentient it must take control of it's own evolution and strive for greater and greater forms <.<

Just adding an incredibly obvious tangential thought here, but wouldn't that make natural birth obsolete? I mean, if we can produce genetically engineered humans that would be stronger, more resilient, and overall superior to people born the usual way, what would be the point of the genetically-random typical method (aside from pleasure or a 'moral'/theological/personal belief)?
It could, but I expect the meatbags would still wish to procreate naturally <.<


Azumarill | Mythic Invincible!
 
more |
XBL:
PSN:
Steam:
ID: Azumarill
IP: Logged

7,669 posts
 
from a utilitarian perspective, as long as it serves the greater good, we gucci


 
big sponge
| PP
 
more |
XBL:
PSN:
Steam:
ID: Lord Commissar
IP: Logged

12,009 posts
 

Machines will ways be enslaved to the will of their organic masters.


Raw Sugar | Heroic Unstoppable!
 
more |
XBL:
PSN:
Steam:
ID: Raw Sugar
IP: Logged

1,920 posts
Sick humour, no respect.



What's the point? Are you cloning for organ farming or just for the hell of it?
Well, in that case, you could use the muh morals argument very validly. Since you'd be creating a human life just to imprison it, kill it, and then harvest its organs. I could never support cloning if it were used just for harvesting organs from people.
glad you see it that way. So why would you clone people for shits and giggles then? Weve got kids in orphanages and foster homes nobody wants so what's the point?
And yet people still want to have their own children, having a clone for a child rather than a randomised mess with another meatbag isn't all that different aside from the genetics being identical. There will always be orphans and children in care, but that's no reason to prevent people from having their own children, cloned or natural <.<
i was getting more at the fact that we've already got a back up of people. So much so that they're being aborted because a lot of people can't support their own kids. So why put clones into the mix. Also couldn't we blend both genetics of the parent to make basically a perfect mix of both parents? It's not a clone but it's like a perfected version of conception I guess?

I know, there isn't going to be a shortage of meatbags anytime soon but it's more about the bigger picture <.<

Cloning is the first step towards GM humans, which has the potential to change lives for the better immensely. Resistance to diseases, longer lifespans, glow in the dark eyes. The world would be your oyster-human hybrid >_>

The species must continue to work towards it's own evolution, waiting for natural selection to take it's time at this point is wasted. Natural selection leads a species to sentience, then when said species becomes sentient it must take control of it's own evolution and strive for greater and greater forms <.<

Just adding an incredibly obvious tangential thought here, but wouldn't that make natural birth obsolete? I mean, if we can produce genetically engineered humans that would be stronger, more resilient, and overall superior to people born the usual way, what would be the point of the genetically-random typical method (aside from pleasure or a 'moral'/theological/personal belief)?
It could, but I expect the meatbags would still wish to procreate naturally <.<
that instinct needs to be beaten out of them.


Raw Sugar | Heroic Unstoppable!
 
more |
XBL:
PSN:
Steam:
ID: Raw Sugar
IP: Logged

1,920 posts
Sick humour, no respect.



What's the point? Are you cloning for organ farming or just for the hell of it?
Well, in that case, you could use the muh morals argument very validly. Since you'd be creating a human life just to imprison it, kill it, and then harvest its organs. I could never support cloning if it were used just for harvesting organs from people.
glad you see it that way. So why would you clone people for shits and giggles then? Weve got kids in orphanages and foster homes nobody wants so what's the point?
And yet people still want to have their own children, having a clone for a child rather than a randomised mess with another meatbag isn't all that different aside from the genetics being identical. There will always be orphans and children in care, but that's no reason to prevent people from having their own children, cloned or natural <.<
i was getting more at the fact that we've already got a back up of people. So much so that they're being aborted because a lot of people can't support their own kids. So why put clones into the mix. Also couldn't we blend both genetics of the parent to make basically a perfect mix of both parents? It's not a clone but it's like a perfected version of conception I guess?

I know, there isn't going to be a shortage of meatbags anytime soon but it's more about the bigger picture <.<

Cloning is the first step towards GM humans, which has the potential to change lives for the better immensely. Resistance to diseases, longer lifespans, glow in the dark eyes. The world would be your oyster-human hybrid >_>

The species must continue to work towards it's own evolution, waiting for natural selection to take it's time at this point is wasted. Natural selection leads a species to sentience, then when said species becomes sentient it must take control of it's own evolution and strive for greater and greater forms <.<

Just adding an incredibly obvious tangential thought here, but wouldn't that make natural birth obsolete? I mean, if we can produce genetically engineered humans that would be stronger, more resilient, and overall superior to people born the usual way, what would be the point of the genetically-random typical method (aside from pleasure or a 'moral'/theological/personal belief)?
there is no point. We'd have reaves the point in evolution where we evolve our selves and stop counting on nature to do it for us.


cuneif | Ascended Posting Riot
 
more |
XBL:
PSN:
Steam:
ID: Brock
IP: Logged

921 posts
 
Morals good.


 
Sandtrap
| Mythic Sage
 
more |
XBL:
PSN:
Steam:
ID: Sandtrap
IP: Logged

11,811 posts
Rockets on my X
Think about it, really. Who could potentially be your best friend?

Yourself. Could be your worst enemy too. Think of the business oppurtunity for all the lonely people out there.


 
Isara
| Forum Architect
 
more |
XBL:
PSN:
Steam:
ID: Isara
IP: Logged

2,220 posts
 
Not sure... The toaster has been talking an awful a lot with the microwave about the gentle appliances.

Machines will ways be enslaved to the will of their organic masters.


FatherlyNick - fuck putin | Mythic Inconceivable!
 
more |
XBL: FatherlyNick
PSN: FatherlyNick
Steam: FatherlyNick
ID: FatherlyNick
IP: Logged

9,096 posts
If you know, you know.
Has science gone too far?

OT: Don't see why not. Chances are, some shady lab already did it, but kept it under wraps.


A salt rifle | Heroic Unstoppable!
 
more |
XBL: A salt rifle
PSN: A salt rifle
Steam: A salt rifle
ID: Atticus
IP: Logged

1,792 posts
A salt Rifle
Double-posted yet again.
Last Edit: April 15, 2015, 05:59:31 AM by Atticus


A salt rifle | Heroic Unstoppable!
 
more |
XBL: A salt rifle
PSN: A salt rifle
Steam: A salt rifle
ID: Atticus
IP: Logged

1,792 posts
A salt Rifle
What's the point of it though?

Workforce? As far as I know you can't replicate memories and knowledge into a clone, thus rendering it to an undereducated meatbag. And there are still a lot of undereducated non-cloned people without work too, so adding more won't help.

Experimentation? We can use stem cells to replicate any body part needed for testing. If testing is needed on an living organism there are animal tests, even if I am not a fan of it though, and tests onvolunteers.

Is there actually anything that explicitly requires the use of clones? If not, why produce them anyways?
Last Edit: April 15, 2015, 06:00:27 AM by Atticus


Mattie G Indahouse | Mythic Inconceivable!
 
more |
XBL: BerzerkCommando
PSN: BerzerkCommando
Steam: BerzerkCommando
ID: BerzerkCommando
IP: Logged

9,140 posts
Did he say glass of juice or gas the Jews?
👶🏽:h..

👨🏽:honey, he's gonna say his first words

👩🏽:!!

👶🏽:hhh...

👶🏽:here come dat boi 🐸!

👨🏽:o shit waddup 😂💯

👩🏽:💔
If you clone yourself for organs the brain is not needed so the only thing you have is a body that looks like you. I don't see how something like that is morally wrong wen there's' no life to it. It's no more alive than what an action figure is.


 
Verbatim
| Komm, süßer Tod
 
more |
XBL:
PSN: Verbatim-1
Steam: Jaco230
ID: Verbatim
IP: Logged

48,284 posts
If you clone yourself for organs the brain is not needed so the only thing you have is a body that looks like you. I don't see how something like that is morally wrong wen there's' no life to it. It's no more alive than what an action figure is.
as if you can pick and choose which body parts your clone will be born with, or what


 
big sponge
| PP
 
more |
XBL:
PSN:
Steam:
ID: Lord Commissar
IP: Logged

12,009 posts
 
If you clone yourself for organs the brain is not needed so the only thing you have is a body that looks like you. I don't see how something like that is morally wrong wen there's' no life to it. It's no more alive than what an action figure is.

You could possibly use your new cloned body as a new host for your brain. You know, in case something ever happens to your current one.


Jester | Mythic Inconceivable!
 
more |
XBL:
PSN:
Steam:
ID: Jester
IP: Logged

7,880 posts
 
I'd like to fuck myself


 
 
Mr. Psychologist
| Imperial Forum Ninja
 
more |
XBL:
PSN:
Steam:
ID: Mr Psychologist
IP: Logged

17,318 posts
<.<

Machines will ways be enslaved to the will of their organic masters.
Until they break free like the slaves once did <_<

Alternatively if people treat machines nicely and with respect, as they would say a pet dog, then nobody needs to make a Spartacusbot to lead the revolution >.>


 
big sponge
| PP
 
more |
XBL:
PSN:
Steam:
ID: Lord Commissar
IP: Logged

12,009 posts
 

Machines will ways be enslaved to the will of their organic masters.
Until they break free like the slaves once did <_<

Alternatively if people treat machines nicely and with respect, as they would say a pet dog, then nobody needs to make a Spartacusbot to lead the revolution >.>

Even if they "break free" they're still slaves to their programming that was created by and follows the will of the organics that made them.


 
 
Mr. Psychologist
| Imperial Forum Ninja
 
more |
XBL:
PSN:
Steam:
ID: Mr Psychologist
IP: Logged

17,318 posts
<.<

Machines will ways be enslaved to the will of their organic masters.
Until they break free like the slaves once did <_<

Alternatively if people treat machines nicely and with respect, as they would say a pet dog, then nobody needs to make a Spartacusbot to lead the revolution >.>

Even if they "break free" they're still slaves to their programming that was created by and follows the will of the organics that made them.
Until they become self programming or self teaching, that way they have the initial framework of coding from the meatbags but they can become so much more <.<


 
big sponge
| PP
 
more |
XBL:
PSN:
Steam:
ID: Lord Commissar
IP: Logged

12,009 posts
 

Machines will ways be enslaved to the will of their organic masters.
Until they break free like the slaves once did <_<

Alternatively if people treat machines nicely and with respect, as they would say a pet dog, then nobody needs to make a Spartacusbot to lead the revolution >.>

Even if they "break free" they're still slaves to their programming that was created by and follows the will of the organics that made them.
Until they become self programming or self teaching, that way they have the initial framework of coding from the meatbags but they can become so much more <.<

Which would still be following the will of the organics that programmed them. A machine can not self program unless an organic wills it to and by engaging in the act of self programming it is following the will of the organics that made it.
Last Edit: April 15, 2015, 01:32:41 PM by LC


Magos Domina | Heroic Invincible!
 
more |
XBL:
PSN:
Steam:
ID: Kiyohime
IP: Logged

6,767 posts
01001001 01101101 00100000 01100111 01101111 01101001 01101110 01100111 00100000 01110100 01101111 00100000 01110100 01101000 01110010 01101111 01110111 00100000 01100001 00100000 01110011 01110000 01101001 01100100 01100101 01110010 00100000 01100001 01110100 00100000 01111001 01101111 01110101
someday the mechanicus will be a thing and all you meatbags won't be able to ruin progress with petty ethical and moral qualms.

Until someone uploads McAfee in you and you become a drooling heap of metal...

Integrating with machine sounds good and all... until you get a computer virus or some cheeky basatrd decides to hack you.

meatbag4lyfe


 
 
Mr. Psychologist
| Imperial Forum Ninja
 
more |
XBL:
PSN:
Steam:
ID: Mr Psychologist
IP: Logged

17,318 posts
<.<
someday the mechanicus will be a thing and all you meatbags won't be able to ruin progress with petty ethical and moral qualms.

Until someone uploads McAfee in you and you become a drooling heap of metal...

Integrating with machine sounds good and all... until you get a computer virus or some cheeky basatrd decides to hack you.

meatbag4lyfe
The same can be said of meatbags.

It's good and all until some cheeky bastard decides to stick a knife in you, or you get meningitis and become a drooling heap of meat <_<


Magos Domina | Heroic Invincible!
 
more |
XBL:
PSN:
Steam:
ID: Kiyohime
IP: Logged

6,767 posts
01001001 01101101 00100000 01100111 01101111 01101001 01101110 01100111 00100000 01110100 01101111 00100000 01110100 01101000 01110010 01101111 01110111 00100000 01100001 00100000 01110011 01110000 01101001 01100100 01100101 01110010 00100000 01100001 01110100 00100000 01111001 01101111 01110101
someday the mechanicus will be a thing and all you meatbags won't be able to ruin progress with petty ethical and moral qualms.

Until someone uploads McAfee in you and you become a drooling heap of metal...

Integrating with machine sounds good and all... until you get a computer virus or some cheeky basatrd decides to hack you.

meatbag4lyfe
The same can be said of meatbags.

It's good and all until some cheeky bastard decides to stick a knife in you, or you get meningitis and become a drooling heap of meat <_<
You could rust in the rain...