US government will target TOR and VPN users.

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http://thenextweb.com/us/2016/05/01/tor-vpn-users-will-target-hacks-new-us-spying-rules/

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An update to the innocuous-sounding Rule 41 of the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure could soon grant powers to judges across the US to issue search warrants for law enforcement to remotely access devices that are using privacy tools.

The Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure sets the rules for criminal prosecutions and this change would see a sweeping expansion of law enforcement’s ability to engage in remote surveillance to gather evidence, with zero public debate on the new powers.

The Electronic Frontiers Foundation (EFF) says that Tor and VPN users, as well as people who reject location tracking by apps on their smartphone, could all be targeted for remote access, seizure or copying of data.

The new rule, which has just left the Supreme Court and is headed to Congress, could also end up targeting people who have been a victim of malware as it seeks to find the source of potentially harmful botnets.

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Malicious actors may even be able to hijack the malware the government uses to infiltrate botnets, because the government often doesn’t design its malware securely. Government access to the computers of botnet victims also raises serious privacy concerns, as a wide range of sensitive, unrelated personal data could well be accessed during the investigation. This is a dangerous expansion of powers, and not something to be granted without any public debate on the topic.

Congress has until December 1 to strike down the amendment to the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure, otherwise it’ll come into force across the federal court system.

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The key word here is “procedural.” By law, the rules and proposals are supposed to be procedural and must not change substantive rights. But the amendment to Rule 41 isn’t procedural at all. It creates new avenues for government hacking that were never approved by Congress.

EFF says that this change could also affect people outside the US so they should be “equally concerned.”

Making such a huge change via a ‘small’ procedural amendment sidesteps both legislative and public scrutiny.

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I think reading the actual document clarifies this issue.
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I've got no issue with this as long as it's under a search warrant, and not just a general right to access peoples' computers.


 
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So because nobody needs to know exactly where the fuck I am at all time the police now have reasonable suspicion enough that I'm engaging in criminal activity to get a warrant to search my electronics.

What a gross breach of my constitutional rights.


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as long as it's under a search warrant
the government/law enforement has been using warrants less and less as time goes on though

You're implying that the government illegally searches private property and uses that evidence against them in court; I'd love to see any shred of evidence supporting this. The fact is that this is no different the a cop's right to search your home with a warrant.
So because nobody needs to know exactly where the fuck I am at all time the police now have reasonable suspicion enough that I'm engaging in criminal activity to get a warrant to search my electronics.
Where is this stated, though? All it's saying is that law enforcement would have the right to access devices under a search warrant that would otherwise be protected by a VPN.
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as long as it's under a search warrant
the government/law enforement has been using warrants less and less as time goes on though

You're implying that the government illegally searches private property and uses that evidence against them in court; I'd love to see any shred of evidence supporting this. The fact is that this is no different the a cop's right to search your home with a warrant.
Who says they'd be taking things to court?
Why would a search warrant be obtained if not to collect evidence to charge somebody with a crime?


 
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So because nobody needs to know exactly where the fuck I am at all time the police now have reasonable suspicion enough that I'm engaging in criminal activity to get a warrant to search my electronics.
Where is this stated, though? All it's saying is that law enforcement would have the right to access devices under a search warrant that would otherwise be protected by a VPN.
Wasn't that what the article said or am I misunderstanding it?


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as long as it's under a search warrant
the government/law enforement has been using warrants less and less as time goes on though

You're implying that the government illegally searches private property and uses that evidence against them in court; I'd love to see any shred of evidence supporting this. The fact is that this is no different the a cop's right to search your home with a warrant.
Who says they'd be taking things to court?
Why would a search warrant be obtained if not to collect evidence to charge somebody with a crime?
Suspicion of possible criminal activity. There's no prosecution necessarily.
It's just an excuse to legally track people who don't want to be tracked.

Suspicion isn't enough; warrants require probable cause. This has nothing to do with tracking people.
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What interests me most currently is under what conditions a warrant can be requested, to which I found this
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(3) Requesting a Warrant by Telephonic or Other Reliable Electronic Means. In accordance with Rule 4.1, a magistrate judge may issue a warrant based on information communicated by telephone or other reliable electronic means.
What on earth does "other reliable means" even mean? It's no news-flash to me that calls are monitored, but I have yet to know the extent to which monitoring already occurs online. Is anyone particularly knowledgeable in this topic to clarify what "other reliable means" actually means? Perhaps to the extent which online content is already monitored?


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What interests me most currently is under what conditions a warrant can be requested, to which I found this
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(3) Requesting a Warrant by Telephonic or Other Reliable Electronic Means. In accordance with Rule 4.1, a magistrate judge may issue a warrant based on information communicated by telephone or other reliable electronic means.
What on earth does "other reliable means" even mean? It's no news-flash to me that calls are monitored, but I have yet to know the extent to which monitoring already occurs online. Is anyone particularly knowledgeable in this topic to clarify what "other reliable means" actually means? Perhaps to the extent which online content is already monitored?

It sounds like they're saying law enforcement officers can tell a judge information pertinent to a warrant over the phone or email, text, fax, etc. It doesn't seem to have anything to do with how information is gathered; a warrant wouldn't be issued after a phone has been tapped.
you're much too trusting of big brother
That's a pretty lazy response. Can't explain why something the government does is bad? Just call 'em a shill.
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"probable cause" is an extremely loose term these days that's pretty open to fairly open to interpretation
suspicion alone can be used as probable cause in quite a few cases

A warrant has to be issued with enough cause, or else it could be argued against in court and the evidence from that search wouldn't be applicable to the case. You're basically asserting that law enforcement abuses the power of a search warrant without any evidence. The ability to access VPN-protected information would have nothing to do with your argument against the search warrant process.


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It sounds like they're saying law enforcement officers can tell a judge information pertinent to a warrant over the phone or email, text, fax, etc. It doesn't seem to have anything to do with how information is gathered; a warrant wouldn't be issued after a phone has been tapped.
Oh, yeah I started interpreting this section almost completely wrong, thanks for the clarification. Reading the actual document this was the only thing that sent up red flags. This seems more reasonable now.


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At this I'm just wondering when the widespread blackmail is going to start.


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tbh I'm not sure where all the confusion is coming from. The first paragraph:
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An update to the innocuous-sounding Rule 41 of the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure could soon grant powers to judges across the US to issue search warrants for law enforcement to remotely access devices that are using privacy tools.
seems pretty clear that the warrant would allow LEOs to search VPN-protected devices, not that they could get a search warrant just because you use a VPN.


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tbh I'm not sure where all the confusion is coming from.
The title and the article do a pretty good job of that.


 
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It sickens me to my stomach how trusting people like Turkey are of the government.

Jesus, I always get this. Articles like this come out and people take the tinfoil-hat clickbait title at face value and think the government's gonna track their cell phone because they use a VPN to pirate Game of Thrones. That's not what is hapening. If you want to distrust the police and claim they abuse search warrants, that's an entirely different discussion. All this says is that VPN-protected information can be subject to a search warrant (which is exactly comparable to a search warrant allowing police to open a safe or a locked door in a house).

I've advocated against governmental powers, corruption, and abuse of the constitution on here ad nauseam, but apparently I'm a government shill because I try to clarify when people grossly mistake what articles like these say.
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Why would the government try to hunt down botnets? All tracks just lead to Microsoft and Windows 10.

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Why would the government try to hunt down botnets? All tracks just lead to Microsoft and Windows 10.

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Malicious actors may even be able to hijack the malware the government uses to infiltrate botnets
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