Is the action or intent more important for determining morality?

 
 
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A man is trying to solve famines in a desert region by growing a cactus-wheat hybrid, unfortunately being GMOs these whactuses grow out of control and kill 30,000 people before being stopped by a firebombing campaign that results in the loss of another 10,000 lives.

So by trying to save the lives of a hundred thousand, he inadvertently killed 40,000 with his good intentions.

At the time of creation the man had no conceivable way of knowing that the whactuses would go on to slaughter starvin marvins wholesale and he thought that he was going to help a great many people.

Should the man be forgiven or punished for his actions, which directly harmed nobody but indirectly killed tens of thousands?


 
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So by trying to save the lives of a hundred thousand, he inadvertently killed 40,000 with his good intentions.

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Challenger's comment about further testing would not be remiss. I think the action is more important than the intentions, because the intentions can be ethnocentric and not entirely in the best interests of a group of people.


 
 
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It's manslaughter at the least. He should've done more tests and been more careful. He knew the evil he could awaken experimenting with GMOs, yet he continued.
If only man today could heed the wisdom of the past

Leviticus 18:22
'Do not make GMOs with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable'


 
 
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So by trying to save the lives of a hundred thousand, he inadvertently killed 40,000 with his good intentions.
Challenger's comment about further testing would not be remiss. I think the action is more important than the intentions, because the intentions can be ethnocentric and not entirely in the best interests of a group of people.
A good point, but wouldn't the alleviation of famine and thus the reducing of suffering be an objectively good action and thus not ethnocentric?


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“I’ve become skeptical of the unwritten rule that just because a boy and girl appear in the same feature, a romance must ensue. Rather, I want to portray a slightly different relationship, one where the two mutually inspire each other to live - if I’m able to, then perhaps I’ll be closer to portraying a true expression of love.”
So by trying to save the lives of a hundred thousand, he inadvertently killed 40,000 with his good intentions.
Challenger's comment about further testing would not be remiss. I think the action is more important than the intentions, because the intentions can be ethnocentric and not entirely in the best interests of a group of people.
A good point, but wouldn't the alleviation of famine and thus the reducing of suffering be an objectively good action and thus not ethnocentric?
In this particular example my comment doesn't necessarily apply, I'm more so talking about in principle ethnocentrism can cause suffering. Relativistically, however, not starving would probably rank high on people's "life is good" list. Physical needs are not the only way to impart suffering, however.

Say we have a hypothetical in which people from one country want to help the urban poor in another country, but believe them to be ethnically inferior for ethnocentric reasons, so they offer indentured servitude to the urban poor. These people's basic physical needs are covered, which is the ultimate goal of the contract-holder and in their eyes they have moral intentions. Some of the basic freedoms of the urban poor are restricted, however. The contract-holder can still cause suffering in a psychological sense not immediately apparent to them (though one can argue perceiving others as inferior to begin with is immoral, thus their intentions aren't moral to begin with).



 
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“I’ve become skeptical of the unwritten rule that just because a boy and girl appear in the same feature, a romance must ensue. Rather, I want to portray a slightly different relationship, one where the two mutually inspire each other to live - if I’m able to, then perhaps I’ll be closer to portraying a true expression of love.”
This is kind of going off on a tangent.
It is. In all honesty I just wanted to make the Emiya meme, but I also wanted to provide some kind of answer.


 
 
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So by trying to save the lives of a hundred thousand, he inadvertently killed 40,000 with his good intentions.
Challenger's comment about further testing would not be remiss. I think the action is more important than the intentions, because the intentions can be ethnocentric and not entirely in the best interests of a group of people.
A good point, but wouldn't the alleviation of famine and thus the reducing of suffering be an objectively good action and thus not ethnocentric?
In this particular example my comment doesn't necessarily apply, I'm more so talking about in principle ethnocentrism can cause suffering. Relativistically, however, not starving would probably rank high on people's "life is good" list. Physical needs are not the only way to impart suffering, however.

Say we have a hypothetical in which people from one country want to help the urban poor in another country, but believe them to be ethnically inferior for ethnocentric reasons, so they offer indentured servitude to the urban poor. These people's basic physical needs are covered, which is the ultimate goal of the contract-holder and in their eyes they have moral intentions. Some of the basic freedoms of the urban poor are restricted, however. The contract-holder can still cause suffering in a psychological sense not immediately apparent to them (though one can argue perceiving others as inferior to begin with is immoral, thus their intentions aren't moral to begin with).
I would say that restricting their freedom in the guise of providing for their basic needs rather than offering the help freely makes it an immoral action regardless of the intent.

You could also look at civilised man's burden for something similar

By belonging to a more advanced society, the desire or responsibility to help those who are not as advanced can either be seen as egotistical or benevolent (usually depending on the number of body piercings a person has).
So you have a 'good' action (the sharing of knowledge and technology) driven by either an altruistic or an egoistic intent. But would it really matter why the man shares his knowledge with the primitives (assuming he doesn't go all Heart of Darkness with it) if the outcome is a good thing?



 
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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
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If you try to kill someone in cold blood and fail, I see no reason to consider him any more moral than if he succeeded.

The scenario in the OP is pretty wild, and comes across as more of a freak accident--it was said that he couldn't possibly have conceived such an outcome, so I'd probably lend him some clemency. Something should probably happen to him, though. He probably shouldn't be allowed to handle agriculture again.
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He's responsible for killing the 30,000 whactus related deaths but not the 10,000 firebombing deaths.

I don't know much about law, but I believe unintentional killings are still criminal.


 
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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
Morally, the man is pretty much in the clear.

Whether he should be legally is another question, and the answer is he should probably face some consequences.


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Morally, the man is pretty much in the clear.

Whether he should be legally is another question, and the answer is he should probably face some consequences.

He failed to consider potential consequences, which resulted in catastrophic loss of life, but he's morally in the clear?


 
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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
He failed to consider potential consequences, which resulted in catastrophic loss of life, but he's morally in the clear?
OP is pretty clear that he couldn't have possibly foreseen the consequences.


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He failed to consider potential consequences, which resulted in catastrophic loss of life, but he's morally in the clear?
OP is pretty clear that he couldn't have possibly foreseen the consequences.

Oops, reading comprehension

Seems like a dubious premise.


 
 
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He failed to consider potential consequences, which resulted in catastrophic loss of life, but he's morally in the clear?
OP is pretty clear that he couldn't have possibly foreseen the consequences.

Oops, reading comprehension

Seems like a dubious premise.
There is nothing dubious about the threat of whactuses to the survival of the human race.



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Intent, although that's very difficult to verify once something has been done.


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He should be commended for advancing science and helping thin the pack of degenerates.

It was a desert region so they were probably Islamic so it's morally good to kill them (intentionally or otherwise)