Gun responsability, florida road rage, and CCW POU with Nuttinfancy

 
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A recent incident in Florida prompts discussion of responsible gun ownership, recognizing if you aren't ready to carry a weapon, emphasizing the wrong reasons and attitudes behind carrying and certain facets of gun culture, and how your rights to self defense with a firearm should be for just that, defense, and never aggression.


I really find myself agreeing with nearly everything he's said as well. I don't carry a firearm anymore. I don't want that responsibility. I don't trust myself with it. I'll simply avoid places of the city that are a little more dangerous. I don't try to put myself in any harmful situations anymore, and if I find myself near an active shooter in public, well, I'm aware of the consequences. 

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inb4 if the other guy was armed he wouldn't have died
inb4 conservatives say liberals better not use this dude as part of a Brady campaign agenda
inb4 NRA dickriders
inb4 Door
inb4 oh my god DAS I'm not watching some fat old retired airforce redneck ramble for 35 minutes
You can discuss the shooting or what the video addresses, it's all related to the legal rights of firearm ownership and self defense.

Side discussion: Should disobeying a 911 dispatcher be a crime or give legal means to elevate charges that may be brought against an individual who does not comply and causes further harm because of it?

 
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Quote from: DAS THROWBACK on July 29, 2015, 08:01:50 PM
I don't want that responsibility. I don't trust myself with it.
The other problem is that lets say you shoot someone and there's no witnesses near by. The only thing the authorities know is that their is either someone in critical condition at the hospital or is dead and they know you were the shooter. Even though you are innocent you can fuck your self up by talking and not having a lawyer. If you need to carry a gun to feel safe like you said you should avoid those ares and to me you also should see help since you're dangerously  paranoid. Who the hell needs to carry a gun when they are doing something like buying food in a safe area? It's nothing more than paranoia.

 
 
 
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Quote from: Flee on July 30, 2015, 05:43:24 AM
I haven't watched the video, but from your post it sounds like this is literally the exact argument I have been making against (public) carrying for years now. It has been shown that the hardcore criminals and gangbangers only make up a fraction of gun violence and homicides. It is your typical law abiding gun owner gone bad or behaving irresponsibly who is responsible for almost all of these instances.

What made you change your mind like this?
I'm not against concealed carry and I doubt I ever will be. However, gun owners need to stop thinking they're John fucking Wayne and get rid of any hero fantasies or stop wishing they have a chance to utilize their firearms if they so chose to carry.

 
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Um, maybe I'm missing something but following a guy home in your car and parking up outside his driveway then approaching him doesn't exactly scream 'this person has good, safe intentions'. From the sounds of it he probably didn't need to get shot but even so, I thought 'Get off my lawn' was reasonable grounds in murika.

 
 
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Quote from: Mr Psychologist on July 30, 2015, 07:41:30 AM
Um, maybe I'm missing something but following a guy home in your car and parking up outside his driveway then approaching him doesn't exactly scream 'this person has good, safe intentions'. From the sounds of it he probably didn't need to get shot but even so, I thought 'Get off my lawn' was reasonable grounds in murika.
Florida's got pretty broad Stand Your Ground laws, yeah, but I can't say I'm really familiar with anything but my own state's doctrine.
But still, in a case like this, it just reeks of someone not being responsible  and just doing something because they can rather than asking if they should. You're gonna kill a guy over some road rage? That's some serious shit, man. Go inside your house, if he follows or breaks in, then yes, consider him a dangerous threat and neutralize said threat with force.

 and don't fucking hold his family at the scene at gunpoint until the police arrive.

 
 
 
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What do you mean?
I think he's referring to door's point <.<

 
 
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Quote from: DAS THROWBACK on July 30, 2015, 08:02:53 AM
Quote from: Mr Psychologist on July 30, 2015, 07:41:30 AM
Um, maybe I'm missing something but following a guy home in your car and parking up outside his driveway then approaching him doesn't exactly scream 'this person has good, safe intentions'. From the sounds of it he probably didn't need to get shot but even so, I thought 'Get off my lawn' was reasonable grounds in murika.
Florida's got pretty broad Stand Your Ground laws, yeah, but I can't say I'm really familiar with anything but my own state's doctrine.
But still, in a case like this, it just reeks of someone not being responsible  and just doing something because they can rather than asking if they should. You're gonna kill a guy over some road rage? That's some serious shit, man. Go inside your house, if he follows or breaks in, then yes, consider him a dangerous threat and neutralize said threat with force.
Yeah it certainly was flat out retarded, it would have depended a little on the situation but I mean I could see how you'd be in defence mode if someone was following you home and then tries to accost you on your own property <.<

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and don't fucking hold his family at the scene at gunpoint until the police arrive.
aaand I missed that part on the article <_<
Christ what a nutcase.