Because they can't handle it physically, and it fucks with unit cohesion.

Yes, they can. Not every man can be a soldier, and not every woman can be a soldier. But some women can pass every single physical requirement that's required of a man, are literally just as competent, and yet they're still passed down. How can that woman not handle it physically, when she objectively fucking can?

Unit cohesion can be maintained if we enlist soldiers who aren't sexists.

The military is not here to be part of the bullshit politically correct social justice movement of today. It's a fighting force to protect the country.

Yeah, and I've explained to you about four times ITT how it can be a perfectly fine fighting force while still allowing women to serve and eradicating organized discrimination from our government.

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Yes, they can. Not every man can be a soldier, and not every woman can be a soldier. But some women can pass every single physical requirement that's required of a man, are literally just as competent, and yet they're still passed down. How can that woman not handle it physically, when she objectively fucking can?

Because they can't. Maybe one or two can. That doesn't make it s good idea to have women in combat.

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Unit cohesion can be maintained if we enlist soldiers who aren't sexists.

Has nothing to do with sexism.

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Yeah, and I've explained to you about four times ITT how it can be a perfectly fine fighting force while still allowing women to serve and eradicating organized discrimination from our government.

It has nothing to do with discrimination.

"One or two" is a gross under exaggeration, but even if it was true, it would be an abomination to not allow those one or two to serve.

Seeing women as needing protection, and men as not needing protection, is sexist. Thinking that as a male, you have to save women because they need saving, is sexist.

And I never thought I'd have to explain this to someone, but saying someone isn't allowed to do something on the basis of their gender alone is discrimination.

Women aren't even allowed to take the fucking physical requirements test, genius. That's the problem. And if you're so sure that none will pass, this should be a non-issue for you.

And if you let BIOLOGICAL URGES drive your fucking life, then you're a retard. If you think the biological urge to protect women is something that should be cherished instead of disdaned, then you're a sexist. That's what I'm talking about. And back on topic, if you let biological urges drive your critical thinking as a soldier, you're a terrible soldier.

There is NO excuse for discrimination that doesn't at least have a seperate but equal clause. If you're advocating the ability for one sex to do something that the other is disbarred from doing, there are no justifications that can make you a non-shitty person.

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generalizing an entire gender as unfit to be soldiers is far from moral.

It's irrelevant.

Your moral code is the worst on this site, easily. This is one of the largest American travesties in modern history.

Coming from the anarchist junky

Not an anarchist, and there's nothing morally wrong with doing drugs. Try again.

HAHAHA

If a 12 year old wants to be a prostitute and had consensual sex with 40 year old men in exchange for heroin, would you consider that moral?

No, because the 12 year old is beneath the age of consent.

If you change the age to 18, there's absolutely nothing immoral with that.

13 should really be the AoC though.

Women aren't even allowed to take the fucking physical requirements test, genius. That's the problem. And if you're so sure that none will pass, this should be a non-issue for you.

We all take the same APFT and raw scores are all the same, no matter if you're a man, woman, 18, or 40.

I'd doubt the majority of women would be competent enough to serve. Also, why can't questioning Unit Cohesion be a valid question? Don't men communicate differently? Also, I'd imagine feeling the need to protect a female/anyone from someone/something is somewhat innate. Considering, men had to do so for thousands of years, not 'cuz of sexism, but because women are the weaker sex.

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generalizing an entire gender as unfit to be soldiers is far from moral.

It's irrelevant.

Your moral code is the worst on this site, easily. This is one of the largest American travesties in modern history.

Coming from the anarchist junky

Not an anarchist, and there's nothing morally wrong with doing drugs. Try again.

HAHAHA

If a 12 year old wants to be a prostitute and had consensual sex with 40 year old men in exchange for heroin, would you consider that moral?

No, because the 12 year old is beneath the age of consent.

If you change the age to 18, there's absolutely nothing immoral with that.

You're a joke.

Morality revolves around consent.

Way to ignore my far more important post, though, the one where I proved your sexist way of thinking should make you ashamed.

I'm in the middle of writing my reply.

You realize I have a life and I'm doing things in between talking to you right? Not all of us are junkies who sit around all day injecting themselves with poison.

Most people don't reply to a later comment before they reply to an earlier one.

Just common sense.

I'd doubt the majority of women would be competent enough to serve. Also, why can't questioning Unit Cohesion be a valid question? Don't men communicate differently? Also, I'd imagine feeling the need to protect a female/anyone from someone/something is somewhat innate. Considering, men had to do so for thousands of years, not 'cuz of sexism, but because women are the weaker sex.

Yeah, and the majority of men aren't competent enough to serve. I'm talking about the minority of women who pass the physical test. Just because humans are shitty and have shitty biological urges doesn't mean we have to embrace that shittiness and use it to justify sexism and discrimination. You're uncomfortable there's a woman in your unit? Fucking deal with it. The woman who spends her whole life training to be a soldier, aces all the test, and then finds out she can't do shit because she doesn't have a dick is far more than uncomfortable.

Such petty bullshit. And these are the men who are supposed to be fearless protectors.

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generalizing an entire gender as unfit to be soldiers is far from moral.

It's irrelevant.

Your moral code is the worst on this site, easily. This is one of the largest American travesties in modern history.

Coming from the anarchist junky

Not an anarchist, and there's nothing morally wrong with doing drugs. Try again.

HAHAHA

If a 12 year old wants to be a prostitute and had consensual sex with 40 year old men in exchange for heroin, would you consider that moral?

No, because the 12 year old is beneath the age of consent.

If you change the age to 18, there's absolutely nothing immoral with that.

You're a joke.

Morality revolves around consent.

Way to ignore my far more important post, though, the one where I proved your sexist way of thinking should make you ashamed.

I'm in the middle of writing my reply.

You realize I have a life and I'm doing things in between talking to you right? Not all of us are junkies who sit around all day injecting themselves with poison.

Most people don't reply to a later comment before they reply to an earlier one.

Just common sense.

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I'd doubt the majority of women would be competent enough to serve. Also, why can't questioning Unit Cohesion be a valid question? Don't men communicate differently? Also, I'd imagine feeling the need to protect a female/anyone from someone/something is somewhat innate. Considering, men had to do so for thousands of years, not 'cuz of sexism, but because women are the weaker sex.

"Yeah, and the majority of men aren't competent enough to serve."

Physically, wise. Probably, due to the level of obesity and how unhealthy people are nowadays. Which boot camp would fix. They'd still have the genetic potential of being strong enough, the majority of women do not have that potential.

"I'm talking about the minority of women who pass the physical test."

I don't see the problem, I'd just like more research on communication.

" biological urges doesn't mean we have to embrace that shittiness "

We have these urges because we've survived  for thousands of years with such urges. But if women can physically perform, and more research on communication shows everything a ok, than go for it.

"You're uncomfortable there's a woman in your unit? Fucking deal with it. "

No, I going off of this from a scientific angle.

"The woman who spends her whole life training to be a soldier, aces all the test, and then finds out she can't do shit because she doesn't have a dick is far more than uncomfortable."

If that was the only reason, yea, that's fucked up. But knowing the two sexes communicate differently is important, you know. Considering, military life revolves around communicating the way men do and to be as effective as possible as a team.