Inequality

Ginger · June 08, 2016, 03:51:08 PM

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America is practically the only country that cares about human rights.
Ummm....what?
America has more freedom than other countries. That's just a fact.

Human rights and freedom are not the same thing.

SecondClass · June 08, 2016, 04:11:04 PM

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America is practically the only country that cares about human rights.
Ummm....what?
America has more freedom than other countries. That's just a fact.

You're free to be whatever you want to be!

unless you're a girl lol

Verbatim · June 08, 2016, 04:27:25 PM

or you're not rich

challengerX · June 08, 2016, 04:35:02 PM

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Flee · June 09, 2016, 03:35:37 AM

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Ginger · June 09, 2016, 04:15:23 AM

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Quote from: Ginger on June 08, 2016, 03:51:08 PM
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America is practically the only country that cares about human rights.
Ummm....what?
America has more freedom than other countries. That's just a fact.
Human rights and freedom are not the same thing.
They are. I'm not speaking legally. Get off your alt, Flee.

I am not speaking legally either. Your statement is incorrect. The US does not protect, what is considered to be, the fundamental right to privacy nearly as high as other developed countries. They also do not uphold such privacy advocacy in the case of data protection. You must understand that the definition of fundamental rights or human rights or freedoms that you hold are not universal, and that the US is actually trailing behind other developed countries.

Mattie G Indahouse · June 09, 2016, 04:32:43 AM

Women can do combat roles which involve being a crew member of a tank and other vehicles along with weapons like artillery.

challengerX · June 09, 2016, 05:11:11 AM

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Flee · June 09, 2016, 05:59:27 AM

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Flee · June 09, 2016, 10:38:13 AM

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Ginger · June 09, 2016, 11:59:40 AM

The constitutional courts of certain countries do, in fact, uphold the right to privacy. The ECJ, in matters that fall into the scope of Union law, also uphold those rights.

Your delimitation of the notion of privacy seems very narrow and is contrary to the basic point that the U.S. does not value certain human rights as highly as other countries.

Flee · June 09, 2016, 12:07:51 PM

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Verbatim · June 09, 2016, 12:10:45 PM

scandinavia

/discussion

challengerX · June 09, 2016, 12:36:28 PM

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DAS B00T x2 · June 09, 2016, 01:04:11 PM

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scandinavia

/discussion

>importing brown people to sustain an economy
>you cant stop said brown people from raping your girl or else you're a racist
>if you're a girl who's said anything remotely racially biased in the past the government will dismiss your rape case

Mordo · June 09, 2016, 01:44:03 PM

Hey guys Flee has a degree that he's been studying for seven years. I wasn't sure up until this point.

Ginger · June 09, 2016, 03:21:42 PM

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Quote from: Ginger on June 09, 2016, 11:59:40 AM
The constitutional courts of certain countries do, in fact, uphold the right to privacy. The ECJ, in matters that fall into the scope of Union law, also uphold those rights.

Your delimitation of the notion of privacy seems very narrow and is contrary to the basic point that the U.S. does not value certain human rights as highly as other countries.
Apart from the controversy concerning enemy combatants, what are these human rights America "does not value as high as others"?

Last I looked you can be jailed in several European countries for """anti semitic"""" views and other things deemed as """hate speech""".

Well, I already mentioned privacy and protection of personal data, which are considered fundamental rights in the EU. Of course, there is the whole no death penalty throughout the EU as well, but you don't think people have the right to life after committing a heinous crime.

I'm not an expert in this field, but some of this is just a matter of personal perspective. You say that privacy doesn't exist, I say it does to a certain extent. You think certain bad guys should be put down, I don't agree. I'm fine with your personal stance, but two of those examples I have given about two or three times now and you keep ignoring them. So yeah. There are the examples.

I am pretty sure what you said about the hate speech stuff is true, but again, I am not 100% sure. You have to remember that the history of Europe is pretty darn different than that of the US, and those actions and memories have lingered to influence the current political and legal culture of European countries.

Have a good day!

SecondClass · June 09, 2016, 03:35:51 PM

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Women can do combat roles which involve being a crew member of a tank and other vehicles along with weapons like artillery.

Yeah, and that's not enough.

You don't understand the fact that men and women are equal. If a woman is capable of doing a job a man can do, it's evil as fuck to say she's still not allowed to because of her gender.

challengerX · June 09, 2016, 03:37:31 PM

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Ginger · June 10, 2016, 03:18:01 AM

I thought you were for the death penalty. My mistake. I never once was referring to the enemy combatants things, but okay, I do not really know how I feel about it. Drones, I'm not too keen on, but sending in special teams and stuff, that, to me, is different.

And we can't really have a discussion about this when your personal belief that there is no such thing as a right to privacy means that the international charters that list privacy as a fundamental right are "bogus". The fact, and this is a fact based on actual evidence, is that 'privacy' is held as a right which is protected by certain courts. I get it, you are saying that there is no such thing as true privacy thus there is no right to it, but that is NOT what we are talking about. We are talking about the existence of governments/institutions/laws that PROTECT the right to privacy. These certainly do exist. They are not unicorns that are talked about but never seen. You are trying to argue a philosophical point which is a different topic all together.

Luciana · June 10, 2016, 03:28:57 AM

A reminder that America is (I think) the only industrizliazed first world country that doesn't guarantee healthcare, and criminalizes people for feeding the homeless in quite a few states.

The country that has the best case of human rights or "freedom" last I checked is New Zealand or something.

Verbatim · June 10, 2016, 03:32:44 AM

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industrizliazed

valiant effort

Luciana · June 10, 2016, 03:42:41 AM

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industrizliazed
valiant effort

it's 4:42 A.M and I've been up for around 24 hours. [iss of ya SHITE!

Luciana · June 10, 2016, 03:47:49 AM

industrialized*

did it

Flee · June 10, 2016, 03:52:55 PM

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Elai · June 10, 2016, 06:39:07 PM

As much as I'd like to disagree with Class, if a woman is capable of performing at the same level of efficiency as a man, it seems a bit antiquated to barr her from doing just that simply because she's a woman.

Forgive me, but I just don't see these "biological urges" really playing that much of a factor in the heat of the moment.