Quote from: Decimator Omega on June 11, 2016, 04:38:50 PMQuote from: challengerX on June 11, 2016, 04:36:42 PMQuote from: SecondClass on June 11, 2016, 04:34:14 PMQuote from: challengerX on June 11, 2016, 04:33:06 PMQuote from: SecondClass on June 11, 2016, 04:26:12 PMQuote from: challengerX on June 11, 2016, 04:18:42 PM>never put an individual over the missionExcept that happens all the time. People, not robots. People disobey direct orders all the time and risk their own lives to save a friend, sometimes just to get his dead body for his parents back home. That's multiplied by a hundred if it's a woman. These acts are some of the best displays of heroism.Yeah, and that's the fucking problem.First of all, disobeying your superior and putting the whole mission at risk is not heroism, it's idiocy. Second of all, the fact that it's worse if a woman is in danger only proves my point more. Right now, if what you're saying is true, our "best" soldiers are a bunch of irresponsible, sexist assholes. I wonder what you'd think of a skilled soldier who always thinks of the mission and wouldn't put a male or female life ahead of doing what the CO ordered. Let me guess, he would be some kind of pussy.Get your head out of your ass, and stop prancing around saying you know what makes up a great soldier, when you obviously have no clue.I've never seen so much ignorance in one motherfucking post.Just look at your post historyShut the fuck up you disgusting subhuman Jew piece of trash, ignorant junkie waste of oxygen. Please fucking kill yourself and put it on YouTube so I can watch you cry and die like a bitch in slow motion. "Hurr durr rescuing a friend isn't heroic it's retarded lmao"Fucking worthless piece of dog shit Jew motherfucker I hope Tyrone rapes you to death you gender confused monkey faggot.Pure autism.Quote from: SecondClass on June 11, 2016, 04:36:48 PMQuote from: Decimator Omega on June 11, 2016, 04:36:15 PMThis shit is so autistic it makes me look like the normal one here.Keep dreamingOh I'm wide awake. You can keep dreaming though if it makes you feel better.Shut the fuck up you cringy autistic motherfucker and go eat a bag of dicks like a good Armenian
Quote from: challengerX on June 11, 2016, 04:36:42 PMQuote from: SecondClass on June 11, 2016, 04:34:14 PMQuote from: challengerX on June 11, 2016, 04:33:06 PMQuote from: SecondClass on June 11, 2016, 04:26:12 PMQuote from: challengerX on June 11, 2016, 04:18:42 PM>never put an individual over the missionExcept that happens all the time. People, not robots. People disobey direct orders all the time and risk their own lives to save a friend, sometimes just to get his dead body for his parents back home. That's multiplied by a hundred if it's a woman. These acts are some of the best displays of heroism.Yeah, and that's the fucking problem.First of all, disobeying your superior and putting the whole mission at risk is not heroism, it's idiocy. Second of all, the fact that it's worse if a woman is in danger only proves my point more. Right now, if what you're saying is true, our "best" soldiers are a bunch of irresponsible, sexist assholes. I wonder what you'd think of a skilled soldier who always thinks of the mission and wouldn't put a male or female life ahead of doing what the CO ordered. Let me guess, he would be some kind of pussy.Get your head out of your ass, and stop prancing around saying you know what makes up a great soldier, when you obviously have no clue.I've never seen so much ignorance in one motherfucking post.Just look at your post historyShut the fuck up you disgusting subhuman Jew piece of trash, ignorant junkie waste of oxygen. Please fucking kill yourself and put it on YouTube so I can watch you cry and die like a bitch in slow motion. "Hurr durr rescuing a friend isn't heroic it's retarded lmao"Fucking worthless piece of dog shit Jew motherfucker I hope Tyrone rapes you to death you gender confused monkey faggot.Pure autism.Quote from: SecondClass on June 11, 2016, 04:36:48 PMQuote from: Decimator Omega on June 11, 2016, 04:36:15 PMThis shit is so autistic it makes me look like the normal one here.Keep dreamingOh I'm wide awake. You can keep dreaming though if it makes you feel better.
Quote from: SecondClass on June 11, 2016, 04:34:14 PMQuote from: challengerX on June 11, 2016, 04:33:06 PMQuote from: SecondClass on June 11, 2016, 04:26:12 PMQuote from: challengerX on June 11, 2016, 04:18:42 PM>never put an individual over the missionExcept that happens all the time. People, not robots. People disobey direct orders all the time and risk their own lives to save a friend, sometimes just to get his dead body for his parents back home. That's multiplied by a hundred if it's a woman. These acts are some of the best displays of heroism.Yeah, and that's the fucking problem.First of all, disobeying your superior and putting the whole mission at risk is not heroism, it's idiocy. Second of all, the fact that it's worse if a woman is in danger only proves my point more. Right now, if what you're saying is true, our "best" soldiers are a bunch of irresponsible, sexist assholes. I wonder what you'd think of a skilled soldier who always thinks of the mission and wouldn't put a male or female life ahead of doing what the CO ordered. Let me guess, he would be some kind of pussy.Get your head out of your ass, and stop prancing around saying you know what makes up a great soldier, when you obviously have no clue.I've never seen so much ignorance in one motherfucking post.Just look at your post historyShut the fuck up you disgusting subhuman Jew piece of trash, ignorant junkie waste of oxygen. Please fucking kill yourself and put it on YouTube so I can watch you cry and die like a bitch in slow motion. "Hurr durr rescuing a friend isn't heroic it's retarded lmao"Fucking worthless piece of dog shit Jew motherfucker I hope Tyrone rapes you to death you gender confused monkey faggot.
Quote from: challengerX on June 11, 2016, 04:33:06 PMQuote from: SecondClass on June 11, 2016, 04:26:12 PMQuote from: challengerX on June 11, 2016, 04:18:42 PM>never put an individual over the missionExcept that happens all the time. People, not robots. People disobey direct orders all the time and risk their own lives to save a friend, sometimes just to get his dead body for his parents back home. That's multiplied by a hundred if it's a woman. These acts are some of the best displays of heroism.Yeah, and that's the fucking problem.First of all, disobeying your superior and putting the whole mission at risk is not heroism, it's idiocy. Second of all, the fact that it's worse if a woman is in danger only proves my point more. Right now, if what you're saying is true, our "best" soldiers are a bunch of irresponsible, sexist assholes. I wonder what you'd think of a skilled soldier who always thinks of the mission and wouldn't put a male or female life ahead of doing what the CO ordered. Let me guess, he would be some kind of pussy.Get your head out of your ass, and stop prancing around saying you know what makes up a great soldier, when you obviously have no clue.I've never seen so much ignorance in one motherfucking post.Just look at your post history
Quote from: SecondClass on June 11, 2016, 04:26:12 PMQuote from: challengerX on June 11, 2016, 04:18:42 PM>never put an individual over the missionExcept that happens all the time. People, not robots. People disobey direct orders all the time and risk their own lives to save a friend, sometimes just to get his dead body for his parents back home. That's multiplied by a hundred if it's a woman. These acts are some of the best displays of heroism.Yeah, and that's the fucking problem.First of all, disobeying your superior and putting the whole mission at risk is not heroism, it's idiocy. Second of all, the fact that it's worse if a woman is in danger only proves my point more. Right now, if what you're saying is true, our "best" soldiers are a bunch of irresponsible, sexist assholes. I wonder what you'd think of a skilled soldier who always thinks of the mission and wouldn't put a male or female life ahead of doing what the CO ordered. Let me guess, he would be some kind of pussy.Get your head out of your ass, and stop prancing around saying you know what makes up a great soldier, when you obviously have no clue.I've never seen so much ignorance in one motherfucking post.
Quote from: challengerX on June 11, 2016, 04:18:42 PM>never put an individual over the missionExcept that happens all the time. People, not robots. People disobey direct orders all the time and risk their own lives to save a friend, sometimes just to get his dead body for his parents back home. That's multiplied by a hundred if it's a woman. These acts are some of the best displays of heroism.Yeah, and that's the fucking problem.First of all, disobeying your superior and putting the whole mission at risk is not heroism, it's idiocy. Second of all, the fact that it's worse if a woman is in danger only proves my point more. Right now, if what you're saying is true, our "best" soldiers are a bunch of irresponsible, sexist assholes. I wonder what you'd think of a skilled soldier who always thinks of the mission and wouldn't put a male or female life ahead of doing what the CO ordered. Let me guess, he would be some kind of pussy.Get your head out of your ass, and stop prancing around saying you know what makes up a great soldier, when you obviously have no clue.
>never put an individual over the missionExcept that happens all the time. People, not robots. People disobey direct orders all the time and risk their own lives to save a friend, sometimes just to get his dead body for his parents back home. That's multiplied by a hundred if it's a woman. These acts are some of the best displays of heroism.
Quote from: Decimator Omega on June 11, 2016, 04:36:15 PMThis shit is so autistic it makes me look like the normal one here.Keep dreaming
This shit is so autistic it makes me look like the normal one here.
Except being a good person makes you a good soldier.
Quote from: SecondClass on June 11, 2016, 04:42:47 PMQuote from: challengerX on June 11, 2016, 04:39:29 PMExcept being a good person makes you a good soldier.LOLTo be a good soldier, you have to have dexterity, endurance, skill, and obedience. If you're an expert sharpshooter who can listen to your CO, you're a far better soldier than someone who's going to put the whole point of the mission in jeopardy to save a friend. Morality has nothing to do with being a good soldier, and being a good person doesn't make you one, either.Wow, you're legitimately fucking retarded. Where do you come up with this genius shit? Years of combat experience? How did you have time for that while still being a full time junky? Amazing.
Quote from: challengerX on June 11, 2016, 04:39:29 PMExcept being a good person makes you a good soldier.LOLTo be a good soldier, you have to have dexterity, endurance, skill, and obedience. If you're an expert sharpshooter who can listen to your CO, you're a far better soldier than someone who's going to put the whole point of the mission in jeopardy to save a friend. Morality has nothing to do with being a good soldier, and being a good person doesn't make you one, either.
Quote from: Verbatim on June 11, 2016, 04:54:02 PMum, i was banned immediately for insulting challenger the last timeWell it's late and I'm exhausted, sick, on mobile and really not in the mood to discuss this with other mods or go through ban / warning histories. If another mod feels one of them deserves a ban, sure, but I'm gonna get some rest. But if I sign on tomorrow and see this continued, I'm not even going to try and be nice to anyone involved.
um, i was banned immediately for insulting challenger the last time
Quote from: SecondClass on June 11, 2016, 05:00:31 PMQuote from: Flee on June 11, 2016, 04:59:16 PMQuote from: Verbatim on June 11, 2016, 04:54:02 PMum, i was banned immediately for insulting challenger the last timeWell it's late and I'm exhausted, sick, on mobile and really not in the mood to discuss this with other mods or go through ban / warning histories. If another mod feels one of them deserves a ban, sure, but I'm gonna get some rest. But if I sign on tomorrow and see this continued, I'm not even going to try and be nice to anyone involved. Um, what? I haven't personally insulted him once here, I'm trying to have a conversation. He's the one freaking out on me. In what world would I deserve a ban?If you don't insult him, you won't get a ban. This conversation can continue, but without the personal attacks. If you haven't done any of that and won't start now, you won't get a ban. I'm just generally warning everyone part of it, including Deci, Challenger and whoever else might feel the need to get involved.
Quote from: Flee on June 11, 2016, 04:59:16 PMQuote from: Verbatim on June 11, 2016, 04:54:02 PMum, i was banned immediately for insulting challenger the last timeWell it's late and I'm exhausted, sick, on mobile and really not in the mood to discuss this with other mods or go through ban / warning histories. If another mod feels one of them deserves a ban, sure, but I'm gonna get some rest. But if I sign on tomorrow and see this continued, I'm not even going to try and be nice to anyone involved. Um, what? I haven't personally insulted him once here, I'm trying to have a conversation. He's the one freaking out on me. In what world would I deserve a ban?
Quote from: SecondClass on June 11, 2016, 04:49:06 PMQuote from: challengerX on June 11, 2016, 04:45:58 PMQuote from: SecondClass on June 11, 2016, 04:42:47 PMQuote from: challengerX on June 11, 2016, 04:39:29 PMExcept being a good person makes you a good soldier.LOLTo be a good soldier, you have to have dexterity, endurance, skill, and obedience. If you're an expert sharpshooter who can listen to your CO, you're a far better soldier than someone who's going to put the whole point of the mission in jeopardy to save a friend. Morality has nothing to do with being a good soldier, and being a good person doesn't make you one, either.Wow, you're legitimately fucking retarded. Where do you come up with this genius shit? Years of combat experience? How did you have time for that while still being a full time junky? Amazing.I take it you've served plenty of tours in the military, then, facing combat and all that. You don't have to experience something firsthand to have knowledge on it and understand how it works. If a squadmate is in a position where you have to compromise the rest of the squad or the goal of the mission to save them, then you don't save them. It's shitty, but that's how war works. And plenty of good soldiers follow that rule, that they drill into your head in training, to a T. If women were allowed to serve in combat, those good soldiers would change nothing about their paradigm.Of course it's shitty and sometimes there's no chance of saving them. But to say that even trying to save a member of your team is retarded is downright disgusting. There are some orders that simply don't deserve to be followed.
Quote from: challengerX on June 11, 2016, 04:45:58 PMQuote from: SecondClass on June 11, 2016, 04:42:47 PMQuote from: challengerX on June 11, 2016, 04:39:29 PMExcept being a good person makes you a good soldier.LOLTo be a good soldier, you have to have dexterity, endurance, skill, and obedience. If you're an expert sharpshooter who can listen to your CO, you're a far better soldier than someone who's going to put the whole point of the mission in jeopardy to save a friend. Morality has nothing to do with being a good soldier, and being a good person doesn't make you one, either.Wow, you're legitimately fucking retarded. Where do you come up with this genius shit? Years of combat experience? How did you have time for that while still being a full time junky? Amazing.I take it you've served plenty of tours in the military, then, facing combat and all that. You don't have to experience something firsthand to have knowledge on it and understand how it works. If a squadmate is in a position where you have to compromise the rest of the squad or the goal of the mission to save them, then you don't save them. It's shitty, but that's how war works. And plenty of good soldiers follow that rule, that they drill into your head in training, to a T. If women were allowed to serve in combat, those good soldiers would change nothing about their paradigm.
Quote from: SecondClass on June 11, 2016, 04:26:12 PMQuote from: challengerX on June 11, 2016, 04:18:42 PM>never put an individual over the missionExcept that happens all the time. People, not robots. People disobey direct orders all the time and risk their own lives to save a friend, sometimes just to get his dead body for his parents back home. That's multiplied by a hundred if it's a woman. These acts are some of the best displays of heroism.Yeah, and that's the fucking problem.First of all, disobeying your superior and putting the whole mission at risk is not heroism, it's idiocy. Second of all, the fact that it's worse if a woman is in danger only proves my point more. Right now, if what you're saying is true, our "best" soldiers are a bunch of irresponsible, sexist assholes. I wonder what you'd think of a skilled soldier who always thinks of the mission and wouldn't put a male or female life ahead of doing what the CO ordered. Let me guess, he would be some kind of pussy.Get your head out of your ass, and stop prancing around saying you know what makes up a great soldier, when you obviously have no clue.Final line of the warrior ethos and eighth line of the Soldier's Creed."I will never leave a fallen comrade"Furthermore, if someone is in danger or injured, your immediate duties become guarding that individual and performing immediate first aid (which under fire is usually just a tourniquet and then you take up firing again) until your actual medic gets there and drags him off while prepping the 9line for medevac or casevac.There's something that ragheads teach the young hadjis that goes along the lines of "Shoot to wound Americans. You will take two out of the fight."
Quote from: challengerX on June 11, 2016, 04:45:58 PMWhere do you come up with this genius shit? Years of combat experience? How did you have time for that while still being a full time junky? Amazing.I take it you've served plenty of tours in the military, then, facing combat and all that.
Where do you come up with this genius shit? Years of combat experience? How did you have time for that while still being a full time junky? Amazing.
Quote from: SecondClass on June 11, 2016, 05:29:23 PMQuote from: εRIGHT WING DAS SQUADε on June 11, 2016, 05:19:17 PMQuote from: SecondClass on June 11, 2016, 04:26:12 PMQuote from: challengerX on June 11, 2016, 04:18:42 PM>never put an individual over the missionExcept that happens all the time. People, not robots. People disobey direct orders all the time and risk their own lives to save a friend, sometimes just to get his dead body for his parents back home. That's multiplied by a hundred if it's a woman. These acts are some of the best displays of heroism.Yeah, and that's the fucking problem.First of all, disobeying your superior and putting the whole mission at risk is not heroism, it's idiocy. Second of all, the fact that it's worse if a woman is in danger only proves my point more. Right now, if what you're saying is true, our "best" soldiers are a bunch of irresponsible, sexist assholes. I wonder what you'd think of a skilled soldier who always thinks of the mission and wouldn't put a male or female life ahead of doing what the CO ordered. Let me guess, he would be some kind of pussy.Get your head out of your ass, and stop prancing around saying you know what makes up a great soldier, when you obviously have no clue.Final line of the warrior ethos and eighth line of the Soldier's Creed."I will never leave a fallen comrade"Furthermore, if someone is in danger or injured, your immediate duties become guarding that individual and performing immediate first aid (which under fire is usually just a tourniquet and then you take up firing again) until your actual medic gets there and drags him off while prepping the 9line for medevac or casevac.There's something that ragheads teach the young hadjis that goes along the lines of "Shoot to wound Americans. You will take two out of the fight."And yet Challenger's whole argument was that with women, this is a bad thing You can't have it both ways.And regardless of what you just posted, if your captain says to fall back and let a squadmate die, you do it.LOLI'm talking about unit cohesion, genius. And if a team member dies and there was nothing that could be done, the deceased being a female fucks with the unit cohesion far more.
Quote from: εRIGHT WING DAS SQUADε on June 11, 2016, 05:19:17 PMQuote from: SecondClass on June 11, 2016, 04:26:12 PMQuote from: challengerX on June 11, 2016, 04:18:42 PM>never put an individual over the missionExcept that happens all the time. People, not robots. People disobey direct orders all the time and risk their own lives to save a friend, sometimes just to get his dead body for his parents back home. That's multiplied by a hundred if it's a woman. These acts are some of the best displays of heroism.Yeah, and that's the fucking problem.First of all, disobeying your superior and putting the whole mission at risk is not heroism, it's idiocy. Second of all, the fact that it's worse if a woman is in danger only proves my point more. Right now, if what you're saying is true, our "best" soldiers are a bunch of irresponsible, sexist assholes. I wonder what you'd think of a skilled soldier who always thinks of the mission and wouldn't put a male or female life ahead of doing what the CO ordered. Let me guess, he would be some kind of pussy.Get your head out of your ass, and stop prancing around saying you know what makes up a great soldier, when you obviously have no clue.Final line of the warrior ethos and eighth line of the Soldier's Creed."I will never leave a fallen comrade"Furthermore, if someone is in danger or injured, your immediate duties become guarding that individual and performing immediate first aid (which under fire is usually just a tourniquet and then you take up firing again) until your actual medic gets there and drags him off while prepping the 9line for medevac or casevac.There's something that ragheads teach the young hadjis that goes along the lines of "Shoot to wound Americans. You will take two out of the fight."And yet Challenger's whole argument was that with women, this is a bad thing You can't have it both ways.And regardless of what you just posted, if your captain says to fall back and let a squadmate die, you do it.
No it isn't. Apart from it being the morally right thing to do, it's your duty. If he's not on the ground with you then no, they don't always know best.
>morale isn't important as morality>lel just stop being a bigot just cause they don't have a dick, it's not like there's any biological urge to protect a woman as a man
QuoteYour duty as a soldier is to follow orders, that's all. Morality has nothing to do with war. If you're the type of soldier who's the most effective (because maximum military effectiveness is far more important than morality, right?), then you always listen to your superior.You're a very intelligent and compassionate person, Second. π
Your duty as a soldier is to follow orders, that's all. Morality has nothing to do with war. If you're the type of soldier who's the most effective (because maximum military effectiveness is far more important than morality, right?), then you always listen to your superior.
Quote from: SecondClass on June 07, 2016, 03:54:04 PMEquality is far more important than having the most effective military we can possibly have.This IS satirical right?
Equality is far more important than having the most effective military we can possibly have.
Yeah I'd rather have a real military than one full of pink haired SJW's in the name of equality. Your bullshit will never happen. Tough luck.
Quote from: SecondClass on June 11, 2016, 06:16:58 PMQuote from: challengerX on June 11, 2016, 06:11:09 PMYeah I'd rather have a real military than one full of pink haired SJW's in the name of equality. Your bullshit will never happen. Tough luck.This mindset is really dumb. Do you think the type of woman who's going to meet the physical requirements, get through basic training, and be competent enough to be put into active combat is going to be the same type of woman who has pink hair and browses tumblr?You're just pulling justifications for discrimination out of your ass now.Apparently that's what you'd be happy with, beta faggots and and SJW whores all in the name of equality.
Quote from: challengerX on June 11, 2016, 06:11:09 PMYeah I'd rather have a real military than one full of pink haired SJW's in the name of equality. Your bullshit will never happen. Tough luck.This mindset is really dumb. Do you think the type of woman who's going to meet the physical requirements, get through basic training, and be competent enough to be put into active combat is going to be the same type of woman who has pink hair and browses tumblr?You're just pulling justifications for discrimination out of your ass now.
Quote from: SecondClass on June 11, 2016, 06:18:12 PMAnd because you're obviously not going to try to continue your previous bullshit, to summarize, being a good person =/= being a good soldier.To summarize, your opinions are still trash. QuoteWars are inherently immoral,No they aren't. Quoteyou're killing people for petty geopolitical reasons.No you're killing them for very serious reasons, although the recent wars have been bullshit. QuoteAs a soldier trained in mere combat and killing,"Mere combat and killing"Mere: Used to specify how small or insignificant something or someone isWanna rephrase that champ? Or are you seriously so ignorant as to think soldiers can't think about anything?Quoteyour only job is to follow the commands of people who are trained in strategy and loss reduction.And to do what's morally right when the situation presents itself. QuoteAs a politician, your job is to do what's morally right.LOLQuoteAnd preventing an entire demographic of people from doing something just because they were born the "wrong" gender is one of the worst crimes America continues to commit in this era.Women just aren't fit for combat. Tough.
And because you're obviously not going to try to continue your previous bullshit, to summarize, being a good person =/= being a good soldier.
Wars are inherently immoral,
you're killing people for petty geopolitical reasons.
As a soldier trained in mere combat and killing,
your only job is to follow the commands of people who are trained in strategy and loss reduction.
As a politician, your job is to do what's morally right.
And preventing an entire demographic of people from doing something just because they were born the "wrong" gender is one of the worst crimes America continues to commit in this era.
Inequality
