Quote from: Meta Cognition on March 29, 2015, 05:17:01 PM

Quote from: GethKhilafah on March 29, 2015, 05:15:28 PM

You know how easy it is to just use this as an excuse to disallow gays or minorities into your establishments, right?

So?

If you don't like it, be a responsible consumer and boycott the business.

That may not be an option. May communities are staunchly anti-LGBT and citizens may have to go miles and miles out of their way to find a business that they are comfortable doing business with.

I'm talking about a perfect-world scenario. But these laws just make it even worse for LGBT people and minorities...

It's such bullshit.

Quote from: Mad Max on March 29, 2015, 05:32:07 PM

Quote from: BerzerkCommando on March 29, 2015, 05:15:56 PM

Quote from: Raw Sugar on March 29, 2015, 01:20:05 PM

How would a business owner know if someone was gay? Like unless they told him, he'd have no clue.

You can tell.

Rarely. CNN's Don Lemon is gay.

straight as a broom.

Nope.
http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/cnns-don-lemon-why-he-waited-until-his-mid-40s-come-out-publicly-gay311213

Quote from: Meta Cognition on March 29, 2015, 05:17:01 PM

Quote from: GethKhilafah on March 29, 2015, 05:15:28 PM

You know how easy it is to just use this as an excuse to disallow gays or minorities into your establishments, right?

So?

If you don't like it, be a responsible consumer and boycott the business.

That may not be an option. May communities are staunchly anti-LGBT and citizens may have to go miles and miles out of their way to find a business that they are comfortable doing business with.

For local businesses, maybe, but I don't see chain stores denying LGBT customers.

Quote from: Meta Cognition on March 29, 2015, 05:17:01 PM

Quote from: GethKhilafah on March 29, 2015, 05:15:28 PM

You know how easy it is to just use this as an excuse to disallow gays or minorities into your establishments, right?

So?

If you don't like it, be a responsible consumer and boycott the business.

That may not be an option. May communities are staunchly anti-LGBT and citizens may have to go miles and miles out of their way to find a business that they are comfortable doing business with.

Unless they're living in some backwater collection of a community like Sandtrap is, I'm pretty sure the majority of towns and cities have a general convenience store/supermarket that caters to everyone. Contrary to what you may believe, the majority of the US isn't the slave trade era South anymore.

Or get pissed off and try to find a normal gas station then carry on with your life because you're too busy to protest and boycott a business.

Well this would be better since the bigoted gas station is not just losing business, but losing it to a competitor. Which is entirely the point of consumer responsibility.

We're both arguing this on principle, however. My opinion's open to changing depending on the information that comes out of Indiana in the future.

Actually there are lots of neighborhoods in states like California for example where you have to drive 20 minutes to go to a big store. People should have to drove 20 minutes to spare your feelings?

If you choose to live in such an isolated, rural community then driving long distances to reach a convenience store or general supermarket kind of comes with the territory anyway.

That's not really the point I'm trying to make though. What I'm saying is that businesses and store owners should be able to refuse service to just about anyone under the sun, just like it is our right as consumers to slander, libel and boycott said businesses as well as choose to spend our money elsewhere. Like I said, at the end of the day, the only people these businesses are doing a disservice to is themselves by isolating their consumer base, which is completely within their right to do.

Contrary to what you think you know about America (because you've never fucking been there in your life)

What is with you and these fucking anecdotal arguments of yours? "You've never been to X country therefore you have no right to talk about its issues"

Yeah no, that's not how it works. If I go by your logic we wouldn't even be able to have a fucking conversation on this board at all.

it's full of racists everywhere. There are Asian and Mexican stores who'd deny service to black folks in LA if they were allowed to.

I never denied there are racists in America, so I'd appreciate you not putting word in my mouth. My contention however, is that I don't think it's as prevalent as it's made out to be, and certainly not within the private sector where there's no money to be made from denying service to specific demographics.

Quote from: Mad Max on March 29, 2015, 11:35:32 PM

http://www.gaystarnews.com

It was just the first google result. Not sure what your problem is with the article.

Quote from: Mad Max on March 29, 2015, 05:01:31 PM

Genuine question:

I know the Bible says gays aren't cool. But what exactly is the religious belief where you're not allowed to serve/interact/share a community with gays?

There isn't one. Like I said earlier in the thread, it's not about not wanting to serve gay people, it's about not wanting to participate in activities which are contrary to one's convictions.

..but if there isn't anything about denying services to gays in your religion, then it isn't a violation of your religious freedom.

Quote from: Mad Max on March 30, 2015, 12:23:37 PM

Quote from: HurtfulTurkey on March 29, 2015, 05:07:39 PM

Quote from: Mad Max on March 29, 2015, 05:01:31 PM

Genuine question:

I know the Bible says gays aren't cool. But what exactly is the religious belief where you're not allowed to serve/interact/share a community with gays?

There isn't one. Like I said earlier in the thread, it's not about not wanting to serve gay people, it's about not wanting to participate in activities which are contrary to one's convictions.

..but if there isn't anything about denying services to gays in your religion, then it isn't a violation of your religious freedom.

There's nothing about liberalism that means I should decline services to neo-Nazis.

I should still be able to do that, though.

Well liberalism isn't a religion, so I'm not sure what your point is.

Quote from: Mad Max on March 30, 2015, 12:31:27 PM

Well liberalism isn't a religion, so I'm not sure what your point is.

While I obviously think religious people, and thus their convictions, are incorrect it's still about a wider point of convictions in general. I'm not thinking in explicitly religious terms.

Although Flee's post leads me to consider the idea that I might just be underestimating the amount of bigotry that exists in America at the moment. While I stand by the law in principle, it's entirely possible that--consequentially--Challenger is right, and I am wrong.

I would support the law if businesses were requiring Muslims to eat pork, or requiring Christians to attend non-Christian services, but serving LGBT customers is not in violation of any religious tenet. I get that people aren't always cool with LGBTs, but that's not part of their religion, that's just them being douches.

Passing legislation like this in the name of religious freedom is dishonest.

You don't really have that here in the UK.

Only with the Moslems.