Quote from: TrussingDoor on December 09, 2014, 12:05:29 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 09, 2014, 11:57:27 AMQuote from: TrussingDoor on December 09, 2014, 11:56:08 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 09, 2014, 11:35:23 AMQuote from: TrussingDoor on December 09, 2014, 11:18:00 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 09, 2014, 10:32:28 AMQuote from: TrussingDoor on December 09, 2014, 08:12:50 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 09, 2014, 07:22:00 AMQuote from: TrussingDoor on December 09, 2014, 06:44:05 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 09, 2014, 03:30:46 AMQuote from: TrussingDoor on December 08, 2014, 07:42:16 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 08, 2014, 06:04:24 PMSuppression of fascism is not suppression of ideas.I'd love to know what makes you think fascism isn't composed of ideas.You're taking what I said out of context. I said I'm not for suppression of ideas, I'm for the suppression of Mein Kampf and by extension all books promoting or glamorizing Nazi ideology.So you're not for suppression of ideas, you're just for suppression of ideas.If you think Nazi ideology is important and valuable then there's nothing I can say to you about this.I wouldn't call it valuable in and of itself, but understanding this ideology, and it's causes and implications, is pretty important if we want to prevent it's resurgence.When you suppress these ideologies, you radicalize the people that hold them. They'll believe they are being oppressed for their deeply held beliefs. And they'll be right. They can still spread it to others, but they'll be more likely to engage in violent acts.Not to mention suppression of ideologies is a pretty huge violation of democratic principles.If you call banning Mein Kampf a "suppression of ideologies" you're just being dumb. Nobody will be more likely to do anything if the book is banned. It puts us on the path to stop treating the Nazis the way we do and get them off this pedestal they're on.I can't think of any place where Nazis are put on pedestals. I'd say Nazism is probably the most widely hated thing in human history. Calling someone a Nazi or fascist is the most powerful slur in modern politics. People call the UKIP Nazis, for example, demonstrating a clear misunderstanding of the ideology. If a politician in Germany is accused of Nazism, that's it for his career. Nazis are our boogiemen, the default evil. The word Nazi doesn't even mean National Socialist anymore, it's the new way to call someone an asshole.I don't know what alternate universe you're living in where Nazism poses a genuine threat to the principles of democracy, but it's not the one the rest of us are in. The greatest threat to Democracy in the real world comes from within, from those who advocate doing extremely un-democratic things in the name of democracy.The majority of German politicians are closet Nazis. The majority of governments in Europe are fascist. Nazis are on an extremely high pedestal. People think of Hitler as a great man, as the Nazis being incredibly organized, efficient, and revering their clothing, their salutes, their slogans. It's an unspoken truth nobody likes to admit, proven here by all of you pretending it doesn't exist. True, you guys don't revere Nazis. But I can think of quite a few people on this site alone that do.Oh ok you're just trollingEither make a rebuttal or just don't reply at all. Go ahead and drop the discussion if you want, but don't start acting stupid.If you think people genuinely revere Nazis, there's something wrong with you.Maybe you do, and you're projecting your insecurity onto others.But nobody who is capable of reading Mein Kampf is going to get into that ideology.Kiyo, Meta, Slash, Berzerk Commando, Kernel Kraut, Kinder, and a few others whose usernames I can't remember. There's nothing wrong with me. If you want to deny Europe isn't being controlled by right wing fascist governments, then LOL. I live here dude, I can see what's going on better than you reading a CNN article.
Quote from: challengerX on December 09, 2014, 11:57:27 AMQuote from: TrussingDoor on December 09, 2014, 11:56:08 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 09, 2014, 11:35:23 AMQuote from: TrussingDoor on December 09, 2014, 11:18:00 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 09, 2014, 10:32:28 AMQuote from: TrussingDoor on December 09, 2014, 08:12:50 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 09, 2014, 07:22:00 AMQuote from: TrussingDoor on December 09, 2014, 06:44:05 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 09, 2014, 03:30:46 AMQuote from: TrussingDoor on December 08, 2014, 07:42:16 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 08, 2014, 06:04:24 PMSuppression of fascism is not suppression of ideas.I'd love to know what makes you think fascism isn't composed of ideas.You're taking what I said out of context. I said I'm not for suppression of ideas, I'm for the suppression of Mein Kampf and by extension all books promoting or glamorizing Nazi ideology.So you're not for suppression of ideas, you're just for suppression of ideas.If you think Nazi ideology is important and valuable then there's nothing I can say to you about this.I wouldn't call it valuable in and of itself, but understanding this ideology, and it's causes and implications, is pretty important if we want to prevent it's resurgence.When you suppress these ideologies, you radicalize the people that hold them. They'll believe they are being oppressed for their deeply held beliefs. And they'll be right. They can still spread it to others, but they'll be more likely to engage in violent acts.Not to mention suppression of ideologies is a pretty huge violation of democratic principles.If you call banning Mein Kampf a "suppression of ideologies" you're just being dumb. Nobody will be more likely to do anything if the book is banned. It puts us on the path to stop treating the Nazis the way we do and get them off this pedestal they're on.I can't think of any place where Nazis are put on pedestals. I'd say Nazism is probably the most widely hated thing in human history. Calling someone a Nazi or fascist is the most powerful slur in modern politics. People call the UKIP Nazis, for example, demonstrating a clear misunderstanding of the ideology. If a politician in Germany is accused of Nazism, that's it for his career. Nazis are our boogiemen, the default evil. The word Nazi doesn't even mean National Socialist anymore, it's the new way to call someone an asshole.I don't know what alternate universe you're living in where Nazism poses a genuine threat to the principles of democracy, but it's not the one the rest of us are in. The greatest threat to Democracy in the real world comes from within, from those who advocate doing extremely un-democratic things in the name of democracy.The majority of German politicians are closet Nazis. The majority of governments in Europe are fascist. Nazis are on an extremely high pedestal. People think of Hitler as a great man, as the Nazis being incredibly organized, efficient, and revering their clothing, their salutes, their slogans. It's an unspoken truth nobody likes to admit, proven here by all of you pretending it doesn't exist. True, you guys don't revere Nazis. But I can think of quite a few people on this site alone that do.Oh ok you're just trollingEither make a rebuttal or just don't reply at all. Go ahead and drop the discussion if you want, but don't start acting stupid.If you think people genuinely revere Nazis, there's something wrong with you.Maybe you do, and you're projecting your insecurity onto others.But nobody who is capable of reading Mein Kampf is going to get into that ideology.
Quote from: TrussingDoor on December 09, 2014, 11:56:08 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 09, 2014, 11:35:23 AMQuote from: TrussingDoor on December 09, 2014, 11:18:00 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 09, 2014, 10:32:28 AMQuote from: TrussingDoor on December 09, 2014, 08:12:50 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 09, 2014, 07:22:00 AMQuote from: TrussingDoor on December 09, 2014, 06:44:05 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 09, 2014, 03:30:46 AMQuote from: TrussingDoor on December 08, 2014, 07:42:16 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 08, 2014, 06:04:24 PMSuppression of fascism is not suppression of ideas.I'd love to know what makes you think fascism isn't composed of ideas.You're taking what I said out of context. I said I'm not for suppression of ideas, I'm for the suppression of Mein Kampf and by extension all books promoting or glamorizing Nazi ideology.So you're not for suppression of ideas, you're just for suppression of ideas.If you think Nazi ideology is important and valuable then there's nothing I can say to you about this.I wouldn't call it valuable in and of itself, but understanding this ideology, and it's causes and implications, is pretty important if we want to prevent it's resurgence.When you suppress these ideologies, you radicalize the people that hold them. They'll believe they are being oppressed for their deeply held beliefs. And they'll be right. They can still spread it to others, but they'll be more likely to engage in violent acts.Not to mention suppression of ideologies is a pretty huge violation of democratic principles.If you call banning Mein Kampf a "suppression of ideologies" you're just being dumb. Nobody will be more likely to do anything if the book is banned. It puts us on the path to stop treating the Nazis the way we do and get them off this pedestal they're on.I can't think of any place where Nazis are put on pedestals. I'd say Nazism is probably the most widely hated thing in human history. Calling someone a Nazi or fascist is the most powerful slur in modern politics. People call the UKIP Nazis, for example, demonstrating a clear misunderstanding of the ideology. If a politician in Germany is accused of Nazism, that's it for his career. Nazis are our boogiemen, the default evil. The word Nazi doesn't even mean National Socialist anymore, it's the new way to call someone an asshole.I don't know what alternate universe you're living in where Nazism poses a genuine threat to the principles of democracy, but it's not the one the rest of us are in. The greatest threat to Democracy in the real world comes from within, from those who advocate doing extremely un-democratic things in the name of democracy.The majority of German politicians are closet Nazis. The majority of governments in Europe are fascist. Nazis are on an extremely high pedestal. People think of Hitler as a great man, as the Nazis being incredibly organized, efficient, and revering their clothing, their salutes, their slogans. It's an unspoken truth nobody likes to admit, proven here by all of you pretending it doesn't exist. True, you guys don't revere Nazis. But I can think of quite a few people on this site alone that do.Oh ok you're just trollingEither make a rebuttal or just don't reply at all. Go ahead and drop the discussion if you want, but don't start acting stupid.
Quote from: challengerX on December 09, 2014, 11:35:23 AMQuote from: TrussingDoor on December 09, 2014, 11:18:00 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 09, 2014, 10:32:28 AMQuote from: TrussingDoor on December 09, 2014, 08:12:50 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 09, 2014, 07:22:00 AMQuote from: TrussingDoor on December 09, 2014, 06:44:05 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 09, 2014, 03:30:46 AMQuote from: TrussingDoor on December 08, 2014, 07:42:16 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 08, 2014, 06:04:24 PMSuppression of fascism is not suppression of ideas.I'd love to know what makes you think fascism isn't composed of ideas.You're taking what I said out of context. I said I'm not for suppression of ideas, I'm for the suppression of Mein Kampf and by extension all books promoting or glamorizing Nazi ideology.So you're not for suppression of ideas, you're just for suppression of ideas.If you think Nazi ideology is important and valuable then there's nothing I can say to you about this.I wouldn't call it valuable in and of itself, but understanding this ideology, and it's causes and implications, is pretty important if we want to prevent it's resurgence.When you suppress these ideologies, you radicalize the people that hold them. They'll believe they are being oppressed for their deeply held beliefs. And they'll be right. They can still spread it to others, but they'll be more likely to engage in violent acts.Not to mention suppression of ideologies is a pretty huge violation of democratic principles.If you call banning Mein Kampf a "suppression of ideologies" you're just being dumb. Nobody will be more likely to do anything if the book is banned. It puts us on the path to stop treating the Nazis the way we do and get them off this pedestal they're on.I can't think of any place where Nazis are put on pedestals. I'd say Nazism is probably the most widely hated thing in human history. Calling someone a Nazi or fascist is the most powerful slur in modern politics. People call the UKIP Nazis, for example, demonstrating a clear misunderstanding of the ideology. If a politician in Germany is accused of Nazism, that's it for his career. Nazis are our boogiemen, the default evil. The word Nazi doesn't even mean National Socialist anymore, it's the new way to call someone an asshole.I don't know what alternate universe you're living in where Nazism poses a genuine threat to the principles of democracy, but it's not the one the rest of us are in. The greatest threat to Democracy in the real world comes from within, from those who advocate doing extremely un-democratic things in the name of democracy.The majority of German politicians are closet Nazis. The majority of governments in Europe are fascist. Nazis are on an extremely high pedestal. People think of Hitler as a great man, as the Nazis being incredibly organized, efficient, and revering their clothing, their salutes, their slogans. It's an unspoken truth nobody likes to admit, proven here by all of you pretending it doesn't exist. True, you guys don't revere Nazis. But I can think of quite a few people on this site alone that do.Oh ok you're just trolling
Quote from: TrussingDoor on December 09, 2014, 11:18:00 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 09, 2014, 10:32:28 AMQuote from: TrussingDoor on December 09, 2014, 08:12:50 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 09, 2014, 07:22:00 AMQuote from: TrussingDoor on December 09, 2014, 06:44:05 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 09, 2014, 03:30:46 AMQuote from: TrussingDoor on December 08, 2014, 07:42:16 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 08, 2014, 06:04:24 PMSuppression of fascism is not suppression of ideas.I'd love to know what makes you think fascism isn't composed of ideas.You're taking what I said out of context. I said I'm not for suppression of ideas, I'm for the suppression of Mein Kampf and by extension all books promoting or glamorizing Nazi ideology.So you're not for suppression of ideas, you're just for suppression of ideas.If you think Nazi ideology is important and valuable then there's nothing I can say to you about this.I wouldn't call it valuable in and of itself, but understanding this ideology, and it's causes and implications, is pretty important if we want to prevent it's resurgence.When you suppress these ideologies, you radicalize the people that hold them. They'll believe they are being oppressed for their deeply held beliefs. And they'll be right. They can still spread it to others, but they'll be more likely to engage in violent acts.Not to mention suppression of ideologies is a pretty huge violation of democratic principles.If you call banning Mein Kampf a "suppression of ideologies" you're just being dumb. Nobody will be more likely to do anything if the book is banned. It puts us on the path to stop treating the Nazis the way we do and get them off this pedestal they're on.I can't think of any place where Nazis are put on pedestals. I'd say Nazism is probably the most widely hated thing in human history. Calling someone a Nazi or fascist is the most powerful slur in modern politics. People call the UKIP Nazis, for example, demonstrating a clear misunderstanding of the ideology. If a politician in Germany is accused of Nazism, that's it for his career. Nazis are our boogiemen, the default evil. The word Nazi doesn't even mean National Socialist anymore, it's the new way to call someone an asshole.I don't know what alternate universe you're living in where Nazism poses a genuine threat to the principles of democracy, but it's not the one the rest of us are in. The greatest threat to Democracy in the real world comes from within, from those who advocate doing extremely un-democratic things in the name of democracy.The majority of German politicians are closet Nazis. The majority of governments in Europe are fascist. Nazis are on an extremely high pedestal. People think of Hitler as a great man, as the Nazis being incredibly organized, efficient, and revering their clothing, their salutes, their slogans. It's an unspoken truth nobody likes to admit, proven here by all of you pretending it doesn't exist. True, you guys don't revere Nazis. But I can think of quite a few people on this site alone that do.
Quote from: challengerX on December 09, 2014, 10:32:28 AMQuote from: TrussingDoor on December 09, 2014, 08:12:50 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 09, 2014, 07:22:00 AMQuote from: TrussingDoor on December 09, 2014, 06:44:05 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 09, 2014, 03:30:46 AMQuote from: TrussingDoor on December 08, 2014, 07:42:16 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 08, 2014, 06:04:24 PMSuppression of fascism is not suppression of ideas.I'd love to know what makes you think fascism isn't composed of ideas.You're taking what I said out of context. I said I'm not for suppression of ideas, I'm for the suppression of Mein Kampf and by extension all books promoting or glamorizing Nazi ideology.So you're not for suppression of ideas, you're just for suppression of ideas.If you think Nazi ideology is important and valuable then there's nothing I can say to you about this.I wouldn't call it valuable in and of itself, but understanding this ideology, and it's causes and implications, is pretty important if we want to prevent it's resurgence.When you suppress these ideologies, you radicalize the people that hold them. They'll believe they are being oppressed for their deeply held beliefs. And they'll be right. They can still spread it to others, but they'll be more likely to engage in violent acts.Not to mention suppression of ideologies is a pretty huge violation of democratic principles.If you call banning Mein Kampf a "suppression of ideologies" you're just being dumb. Nobody will be more likely to do anything if the book is banned. It puts us on the path to stop treating the Nazis the way we do and get them off this pedestal they're on.I can't think of any place where Nazis are put on pedestals. I'd say Nazism is probably the most widely hated thing in human history. Calling someone a Nazi or fascist is the most powerful slur in modern politics. People call the UKIP Nazis, for example, demonstrating a clear misunderstanding of the ideology. If a politician in Germany is accused of Nazism, that's it for his career. Nazis are our boogiemen, the default evil. The word Nazi doesn't even mean National Socialist anymore, it's the new way to call someone an asshole.I don't know what alternate universe you're living in where Nazism poses a genuine threat to the principles of democracy, but it's not the one the rest of us are in. The greatest threat to Democracy in the real world comes from within, from those who advocate doing extremely un-democratic things in the name of democracy.
Quote from: TrussingDoor on December 09, 2014, 08:12:50 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 09, 2014, 07:22:00 AMQuote from: TrussingDoor on December 09, 2014, 06:44:05 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 09, 2014, 03:30:46 AMQuote from: TrussingDoor on December 08, 2014, 07:42:16 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 08, 2014, 06:04:24 PMSuppression of fascism is not suppression of ideas.I'd love to know what makes you think fascism isn't composed of ideas.You're taking what I said out of context. I said I'm not for suppression of ideas, I'm for the suppression of Mein Kampf and by extension all books promoting or glamorizing Nazi ideology.So you're not for suppression of ideas, you're just for suppression of ideas.If you think Nazi ideology is important and valuable then there's nothing I can say to you about this.I wouldn't call it valuable in and of itself, but understanding this ideology, and it's causes and implications, is pretty important if we want to prevent it's resurgence.When you suppress these ideologies, you radicalize the people that hold them. They'll believe they are being oppressed for their deeply held beliefs. And they'll be right. They can still spread it to others, but they'll be more likely to engage in violent acts.Not to mention suppression of ideologies is a pretty huge violation of democratic principles.If you call banning Mein Kampf a "suppression of ideologies" you're just being dumb. Nobody will be more likely to do anything if the book is banned. It puts us on the path to stop treating the Nazis the way we do and get them off this pedestal they're on.
Quote from: challengerX on December 09, 2014, 07:22:00 AMQuote from: TrussingDoor on December 09, 2014, 06:44:05 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 09, 2014, 03:30:46 AMQuote from: TrussingDoor on December 08, 2014, 07:42:16 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 08, 2014, 06:04:24 PMSuppression of fascism is not suppression of ideas.I'd love to know what makes you think fascism isn't composed of ideas.You're taking what I said out of context. I said I'm not for suppression of ideas, I'm for the suppression of Mein Kampf and by extension all books promoting or glamorizing Nazi ideology.So you're not for suppression of ideas, you're just for suppression of ideas.If you think Nazi ideology is important and valuable then there's nothing I can say to you about this.I wouldn't call it valuable in and of itself, but understanding this ideology, and it's causes and implications, is pretty important if we want to prevent it's resurgence.When you suppress these ideologies, you radicalize the people that hold them. They'll believe they are being oppressed for their deeply held beliefs. And they'll be right. They can still spread it to others, but they'll be more likely to engage in violent acts.Not to mention suppression of ideologies is a pretty huge violation of democratic principles.
Quote from: TrussingDoor on December 09, 2014, 06:44:05 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 09, 2014, 03:30:46 AMQuote from: TrussingDoor on December 08, 2014, 07:42:16 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 08, 2014, 06:04:24 PMSuppression of fascism is not suppression of ideas.I'd love to know what makes you think fascism isn't composed of ideas.You're taking what I said out of context. I said I'm not for suppression of ideas, I'm for the suppression of Mein Kampf and by extension all books promoting or glamorizing Nazi ideology.So you're not for suppression of ideas, you're just for suppression of ideas.If you think Nazi ideology is important and valuable then there's nothing I can say to you about this.
Quote from: challengerX on December 09, 2014, 03:30:46 AMQuote from: TrussingDoor on December 08, 2014, 07:42:16 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 08, 2014, 06:04:24 PMSuppression of fascism is not suppression of ideas.I'd love to know what makes you think fascism isn't composed of ideas.You're taking what I said out of context. I said I'm not for suppression of ideas, I'm for the suppression of Mein Kampf and by extension all books promoting or glamorizing Nazi ideology.So you're not for suppression of ideas, you're just for suppression of ideas.
Quote from: TrussingDoor on December 08, 2014, 07:42:16 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 08, 2014, 06:04:24 PMSuppression of fascism is not suppression of ideas.I'd love to know what makes you think fascism isn't composed of ideas.You're taking what I said out of context. I said I'm not for suppression of ideas, I'm for the suppression of Mein Kampf and by extension all books promoting or glamorizing Nazi ideology.
Quote from: challengerX on December 08, 2014, 06:04:24 PMSuppression of fascism is not suppression of ideas.I'd love to know what makes you think fascism isn't composed of ideas.
Suppression of fascism is not suppression of ideas.
2013 Meta.
>europe>right wingAuthoritarian? I'll give you that, they're working hard on it. But Europe is pretty far from right wing.
Kiyo, Meta, Slash, Berzerk Commando, Kernel Kraut, Kinder, and a few others whose usernames I can't remember.
Europe is very right wing. Italy, Spain, France, the Nordic countries, even England.
Quote from: Meta Cognition on December 09, 2014, 12:32:22 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 09, 2014, 12:30:08 PMEurope is very right wing. Italy, Spain, France, the Nordic countries, even England. Since when? I'll give you borderline-authoritarian welfare states. But there's no way they're that right-wing, economically or otherwise.Hold on I confused the French party in the EU with the government. My bad. The others are though. Look at the laws being passed by your government. Look at the Nordic countries. They're great countries no doubt, but they're pretty fascistic and definitely right wing. I mean they're conservatives.
Quote from: challengerX on December 09, 2014, 12:30:08 PMEurope is very right wing. Italy, Spain, France, the Nordic countries, even England. Since when? I'll give you borderline-authoritarian welfare states. But there's no way they're that right-wing, economically or otherwise.
Conservatives are kept in check by the democratic system but they try and destroy it every day and take what little freedom we already have.
Quote from: DAS B(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻ on December 09, 2014, 11:55:11 AM2013 Meta.Hey fuck you. If I was going to be a totalitarian I'd be one who wasn't utterly inefficient and economically illiterate.
Your PM is about as bad as Bush. Increased tutti on for schools, cuts in education and retirement. Seriously, you can't be blind to these things.
If you live in a country that banned Mein Kampf
