That's where you're wrong. You're free from fascism. That shit has no place in a civilized society that values equality and democracy.
Quote from: Madman Mordo on December 08, 2014, 06:14:28 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 08, 2014, 06:11:11 PMQuote from: Madman Mordo on December 08, 2014, 06:08:48 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 08, 2014, 06:06:42 PMQuote from: Madman Mordo on December 08, 2014, 05:39:10 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 08, 2014, 05:01:29 PMThat's where you're wrong. You're free from fascism. That shit has no place in a civilized society that values equality and democracy.It doesn't really value the democratic process at all if it resorts to the censorship of material it doesn't like.Fascism isn't material we don't like. It's a serious threat to democracy and books like that can give kids the wrong idea. It's a book written by a madman promoting his bullshit ideals. It's not like we're writing textbooks omitting that part of history, we're just banning a disgusting book. Then you already are a fascist society at that point you dip. Banning literature and art because you don't like what it stands for is kind of how fascism works. It's irony at its finest.No it isn't. If some guy wants to write a book promoting fascism, it shouldn't be allowed to be publicized. Fascism is a plague and needs to be eradicated. You can be a hippie all you like and call it "suppression of ideas", but it's suppression of fascism. It goes directly against our way of life.Yes it is.You're starting to sound like a fascist yourself.QuoteIt goes directly against our way of lifeQuoteit shouldn't be allowed to be publicizedJust so you know, Mein Kampf is available to purchase in pretty much all Western Democracies, and we're far from becoming a totalitarian state, nor has there been any indication of such a transgression. The narrative you're going for is fallacious, no offenseI never said one book will create a fascist state. I'm saying there's a slippery slope effect. Where does it end? People already have this attitude of viewing Nazis with this sense of mysticism and grandeur. Intolerance of intolerance is necessary, much as it may seem like you're behaving as your enemy would. You're not, you're doing it in the name of preserving freedom and not allowing it to be tainted by those who would take it away, while abusing the freedom of speech when they would abolish it if they had their way.
Quote from: challengerX on December 08, 2014, 06:11:11 PMQuote from: Madman Mordo on December 08, 2014, 06:08:48 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 08, 2014, 06:06:42 PMQuote from: Madman Mordo on December 08, 2014, 05:39:10 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 08, 2014, 05:01:29 PMThat's where you're wrong. You're free from fascism. That shit has no place in a civilized society that values equality and democracy.It doesn't really value the democratic process at all if it resorts to the censorship of material it doesn't like.Fascism isn't material we don't like. It's a serious threat to democracy and books like that can give kids the wrong idea. It's a book written by a madman promoting his bullshit ideals. It's not like we're writing textbooks omitting that part of history, we're just banning a disgusting book. Then you already are a fascist society at that point you dip. Banning literature and art because you don't like what it stands for is kind of how fascism works. It's irony at its finest.No it isn't. If some guy wants to write a book promoting fascism, it shouldn't be allowed to be publicized. Fascism is a plague and needs to be eradicated. You can be a hippie all you like and call it "suppression of ideas", but it's suppression of fascism. It goes directly against our way of life.Yes it is.You're starting to sound like a fascist yourself.QuoteIt goes directly against our way of lifeQuoteit shouldn't be allowed to be publicizedJust so you know, Mein Kampf is available to purchase in pretty much all Western Democracies, and we're far from becoming a totalitarian state, nor has there been any indication of such a transgression. The narrative you're going for is fallacious, no offense
Quote from: Madman Mordo on December 08, 2014, 06:08:48 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 08, 2014, 06:06:42 PMQuote from: Madman Mordo on December 08, 2014, 05:39:10 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 08, 2014, 05:01:29 PMThat's where you're wrong. You're free from fascism. That shit has no place in a civilized society that values equality and democracy.It doesn't really value the democratic process at all if it resorts to the censorship of material it doesn't like.Fascism isn't material we don't like. It's a serious threat to democracy and books like that can give kids the wrong idea. It's a book written by a madman promoting his bullshit ideals. It's not like we're writing textbooks omitting that part of history, we're just banning a disgusting book. Then you already are a fascist society at that point you dip. Banning literature and art because you don't like what it stands for is kind of how fascism works. It's irony at its finest.No it isn't. If some guy wants to write a book promoting fascism, it shouldn't be allowed to be publicized. Fascism is a plague and needs to be eradicated. You can be a hippie all you like and call it "suppression of ideas", but it's suppression of fascism. It goes directly against our way of life.
Quote from: challengerX on December 08, 2014, 06:06:42 PMQuote from: Madman Mordo on December 08, 2014, 05:39:10 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 08, 2014, 05:01:29 PMThat's where you're wrong. You're free from fascism. That shit has no place in a civilized society that values equality and democracy.It doesn't really value the democratic process at all if it resorts to the censorship of material it doesn't like.Fascism isn't material we don't like. It's a serious threat to democracy and books like that can give kids the wrong idea. It's a book written by a madman promoting his bullshit ideals. It's not like we're writing textbooks omitting that part of history, we're just banning a disgusting book. Then you already are a fascist society at that point you dip. Banning literature and art because you don't like what it stands for is kind of how fascism works. It's irony at its finest.
Quote from: Madman Mordo on December 08, 2014, 05:39:10 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 08, 2014, 05:01:29 PMThat's where you're wrong. You're free from fascism. That shit has no place in a civilized society that values equality and democracy.It doesn't really value the democratic process at all if it resorts to the censorship of material it doesn't like.Fascism isn't material we don't like. It's a serious threat to democracy and books like that can give kids the wrong idea. It's a book written by a madman promoting his bullshit ideals. It's not like we're writing textbooks omitting that part of history, we're just banning a disgusting book.
Quote from: challengerX on December 08, 2014, 05:01:29 PMThat's where you're wrong. You're free from fascism. That shit has no place in a civilized society that values equality and democracy.It doesn't really value the democratic process at all if it resorts to the censorship of material it doesn't like.
It goes directly against our way of life
it shouldn't be allowed to be publicized
Quote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 08, 2014, 04:59:55 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on December 08, 2014, 04:58:37 PMQuote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 08, 2014, 04:36:14 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on December 08, 2014, 02:11:35 PMTrue, but the book itself is utter crap.It reads like a brick and would be better used as paper mache.But, books are sacred and defiling them is haram >____>Even if the content is tripe.Even a book that tells people how to commit murder and get away with it?Such a book would be a self defeating entity.A book on how to get away with murder would also be a book on how to catch the person trying to get away with murder.Books also allow a person to think "Hm, let me try this but in a different way", thus making changes that other readers can't keep up with . CheckmateAnd then the book itself hasn't really done anything, since the person in question has used their brain to come up with an alternative method to get away with murder.Just because you can use a book for evil doesn't make the book itself evil, or would you like me to start pointing to certain holy texts that are frequently used to justify atrocities?
Quote from: Mr Psychologist on December 08, 2014, 04:58:37 PMQuote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 08, 2014, 04:36:14 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on December 08, 2014, 02:11:35 PMTrue, but the book itself is utter crap.It reads like a brick and would be better used as paper mache.But, books are sacred and defiling them is haram >____>Even if the content is tripe.Even a book that tells people how to commit murder and get away with it?Such a book would be a self defeating entity.A book on how to get away with murder would also be a book on how to catch the person trying to get away with murder.Books also allow a person to think "Hm, let me try this but in a different way", thus making changes that other readers can't keep up with . Checkmate
Quote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 08, 2014, 04:36:14 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on December 08, 2014, 02:11:35 PMTrue, but the book itself is utter crap.It reads like a brick and would be better used as paper mache.But, books are sacred and defiling them is haram >____>Even if the content is tripe.Even a book that tells people how to commit murder and get away with it?Such a book would be a self defeating entity.A book on how to get away with murder would also be a book on how to catch the person trying to get away with murder.
Quote from: Mr Psychologist on December 08, 2014, 02:11:35 PMTrue, but the book itself is utter crap.It reads like a brick and would be better used as paper mache.But, books are sacred and defiling them is haram >____>Even if the content is tripe.Even a book that tells people how to commit murder and get away with it?
True, but the book itself is utter crap.It reads like a brick and would be better used as paper mache.But, books are sacred and defiling them is haram >____>Even if the content is tripe.
If you've read about what the Nazis have done and you're interested enough to read the book of psycho numero uno himself, chances are you think they had some good ideas.
Quote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 08, 2014, 04:36:14 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on December 08, 2014, 02:11:35 PMTrue, but the book itself is utter crap.It reads like a brick and would be better used as paper mache.But, books are sacred and defiling them is haram >____>Even if the content is tripe.Even a book that tells people how to commit murder and get away with it?Should guns be banned because they can be used as tools for murder?
Quote from: Mr Psychologist on December 08, 2014, 06:14:48 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 08, 2014, 06:04:24 PMQuote from: TrussingDoor on December 08, 2014, 05:33:13 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 08, 2014, 05:01:29 PMThat's where you're wrong. You're free from fascism. That shit has no place in a civilized society that values equality and democracy.Clearly not, if one book is all it takes for your culture to descend into fascism, so much so that it must be banned. If it's that easy, I think this society's values lie elsewhere.In fact, I would call the suppression of ideas very un-democratic.Don't twist things. Suppression of fascism is not suppression of ideas. And there's no slippery slope effect either. Fascism is a very clear and serious danger to democracy and freedom. If censoring a book written by a madman that promotes fascism is fascism to you, then you're living in some sort of topsy turvy world.It might try to promote fascism, but censoring it and suppressing the book won't stop idiots from getting their hands on it. It's better to allow that piece of garbage to exist, because it genuinely is as hard to read as a brick and anyone trying to base their belief system off it would seriously struggle to make heads or tails of it.Neo-Nazi idiots just parrot the shit that their friends and fathers parroted to them, actually trying to extract sense from mein kampf is pretty futile and I would say it's beyond the skill of the average skinhead.In my opinion, it's better to let people see the evils of the ideas contained in that book for themselves than to tell them it's bad and ban it outright.The people reading it won't see it as evil. If you've read about what the Nazis have done and you're interested enough to read the book of psycho numero uno himself, chances are you think they had some good ideas.
Quote from: challengerX on December 08, 2014, 06:04:24 PMQuote from: TrussingDoor on December 08, 2014, 05:33:13 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 08, 2014, 05:01:29 PMThat's where you're wrong. You're free from fascism. That shit has no place in a civilized society that values equality and democracy.Clearly not, if one book is all it takes for your culture to descend into fascism, so much so that it must be banned. If it's that easy, I think this society's values lie elsewhere.In fact, I would call the suppression of ideas very un-democratic.Don't twist things. Suppression of fascism is not suppression of ideas. And there's no slippery slope effect either. Fascism is a very clear and serious danger to democracy and freedom. If censoring a book written by a madman that promotes fascism is fascism to you, then you're living in some sort of topsy turvy world.It might try to promote fascism, but censoring it and suppressing the book won't stop idiots from getting their hands on it. It's better to allow that piece of garbage to exist, because it genuinely is as hard to read as a brick and anyone trying to base their belief system off it would seriously struggle to make heads or tails of it.Neo-Nazi idiots just parrot the shit that their friends and fathers parroted to them, actually trying to extract sense from mein kampf is pretty futile and I would say it's beyond the skill of the average skinhead.In my opinion, it's better to let people see the evils of the ideas contained in that book for themselves than to tell them it's bad and ban it outright.
Quote from: TrussingDoor on December 08, 2014, 05:33:13 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 08, 2014, 05:01:29 PMThat's where you're wrong. You're free from fascism. That shit has no place in a civilized society that values equality and democracy.Clearly not, if one book is all it takes for your culture to descend into fascism, so much so that it must be banned. If it's that easy, I think this society's values lie elsewhere.In fact, I would call the suppression of ideas very un-democratic.Don't twist things. Suppression of fascism is not suppression of ideas. And there's no slippery slope effect either. Fascism is a very clear and serious danger to democracy and freedom. If censoring a book written by a madman that promotes fascism is fascism to you, then you're living in some sort of topsy turvy world.
Quote from: challengerX on December 08, 2014, 05:01:29 PMThat's where you're wrong. You're free from fascism. That shit has no place in a civilized society that values equality and democracy.Clearly not, if one book is all it takes for your culture to descend into fascism, so much so that it must be banned. If it's that easy, I think this society's values lie elsewhere.In fact, I would call the suppression of ideas very un-democratic.
Quote from: challengerX on December 08, 2014, 06:24:10 PMIf you've read about what the Nazis have done and you're interested enough to read the book of psycho numero uno himself, chances are you think they had some good ideas.Or you just have an interest in history/politics - as I did. However, you've actually brought up a good point, that Hitler was a psychopath. Neo-Nazis, in this day and age, are probably inflicted with either a lack of education, poor parenting or a mental disorder bordering on ASPD/psychopathy. In other words, the issue isn't actually the book itself.
If you think fascism isn't a serious threat to democracy, you're kidding yourself.
Nobody wants to hear it. "Book" being the important part. A book is official. A book holds weight and has "authority". A book is important and can teach. This is ingrained into our minds at an extremely young age.
Nobody wants to hear it's wrong when they read it and think it's right. Why should we have to tell people it's wrong and at the same time allow and almost encourage them to read it?
People can say what they like, peacefully gather, whatever. But not a book.
Quote from: RC5908 on December 08, 2014, 05:55:41 PMQuote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 08, 2014, 04:36:14 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on December 08, 2014, 02:11:35 PMTrue, but the book itself is utter crap.It reads like a brick and would be better used as paper mache.But, books are sacred and defiling them is haram >____>Even if the content is tripe.Even a book that tells people how to commit murder and get away with it?Should guns be banned because they can be used as tools for murder?Yes.
Quote from: Meta Cognition on December 08, 2014, 06:32:02 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 08, 2014, 06:27:23 PMIf you think fascism isn't a serious threat to democracy, you're kidding yourself. What about militarism, colonialism, Stalinism, anarchism, communism or voluntarism? I'm actually not that opposed to suppressing fascism, and I'd trust myself to do it right were I in government, but my problem is where do we draw the line. Can we trust the government to only ban the literature that is exceptionally dangerous? Should they ban books with anti-democratic yet non-militarist and non-racist sentiments like anarchism? Should they ban books promoting anarchism if they promote insurrection and revolution? How do you measure danger; is the anarchists homemade-bomb-making guide more dangerous than Mein Kampf? Why do we assume democracy is the best form of government in the first place?I'm talking about Mein Kampf specifically. Not about censorship of books, although a book detailing how to make explosives is probably not a good idea to allow people to read.
Quote from: challengerX on December 08, 2014, 06:27:23 PMIf you think fascism isn't a serious threat to democracy, you're kidding yourself. What about militarism, colonialism, Stalinism, anarchism, communism or voluntarism? I'm actually not that opposed to suppressing fascism, and I'd trust myself to do it right were I in government, but my problem is where do we draw the line. Can we trust the government to only ban the literature that is exceptionally dangerous? Should they ban books with anti-democratic yet non-militarist and non-racist sentiments like anarchism? Should they ban books promoting anarchism if they promote insurrection and revolution? How do you measure danger; is the anarchists homemade-bomb-making guide more dangerous than Mein Kampf? Why do we assume democracy is the best form of government in the first place?
A Song of Ice and Fire is a fictional book read for entertainment.
I didn't say you said we should encourage it, I said it's almost encouraging it to allow it to be read.
Again, I'm not talking about censorship of books. Just Mein Kampf.
And yes, books have more of an impact than a hateful comment on the Internet. Everybody knows this.
Quote from: Mr Psychologist on December 08, 2014, 06:30:56 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 08, 2014, 06:24:10 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on December 08, 2014, 06:14:48 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 08, 2014, 06:04:24 PMQuote from: TrussingDoor on December 08, 2014, 05:33:13 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 08, 2014, 05:01:29 PMThat's where you're wrong. You're free from fascism. That shit has no place in a civilized society that values equality and democracy.Clearly not, if one book is all it takes for your culture to descend into fascism, so much so that it must be banned. If it's that easy, I think this society's values lie elsewhere.In fact, I would call the suppression of ideas very un-democratic.Don't twist things. Suppression of fascism is not suppression of ideas. And there's no slippery slope effect either. Fascism is a very clear and serious danger to democracy and freedom. If censoring a book written by a madman that promotes fascism is fascism to you, then you're living in some sort of topsy turvy world.It might try to promote fascism, but censoring it and suppressing the book won't stop idiots from getting their hands on it. It's better to allow that piece of garbage to exist, because it genuinely is as hard to read as a brick and anyone trying to base their belief system off it would seriously struggle to make heads or tails of it.Neo-Nazi idiots just parrot the shit that their friends and fathers parroted to them, actually trying to extract sense from mein kampf is pretty futile and I would say it's beyond the skill of the average skinhead.In my opinion, it's better to let people see the evils of the ideas contained in that book for themselves than to tell them it's bad and ban it outright.The people reading it won't see it as evil. If you've read about what the Nazis have done and you're interested enough to read the book of psycho numero uno himself, chances are you think they had some good ideas.Well, I've read it. Or most of it anyway, I got sick of reading a brick and gave up.Despite my earlier half joke, it is an evil book. It's filled with the kind of shit you see on stormfront nowadays but written in the context of 80-90 years ago.I've read quite a lot about what the nazis did, if there was an SS officer in the same room as me and I had a gun - I'd shoot the bastard in cold blood.I was interested to get a look at the psychology behind the lunatic responsible for all that shit, not because I thought that the Nazis needed to kill off some more jews and cripples.You have to learn from history to avoid the same mistakes being repeated, the problem with stamping out the remainder of the problem is it's harder to study it in the future and make sure it never happens again.Then read a history book. Erase it from your mind, don't promote it, don't waste time on it. It's wrong, it's stupid, and it's against everything humanity is supposed to be.Besides, there's genocide going on right now. There's governments brainwashing and controlling their citizens right now. That book not being banned hasn't stopped anything fm from being repeated.
Quote from: challengerX on December 08, 2014, 06:24:10 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on December 08, 2014, 06:14:48 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 08, 2014, 06:04:24 PMQuote from: TrussingDoor on December 08, 2014, 05:33:13 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 08, 2014, 05:01:29 PMThat's where you're wrong. You're free from fascism. That shit has no place in a civilized society that values equality and democracy.Clearly not, if one book is all it takes for your culture to descend into fascism, so much so that it must be banned. If it's that easy, I think this society's values lie elsewhere.In fact, I would call the suppression of ideas very un-democratic.Don't twist things. Suppression of fascism is not suppression of ideas. And there's no slippery slope effect either. Fascism is a very clear and serious danger to democracy and freedom. If censoring a book written by a madman that promotes fascism is fascism to you, then you're living in some sort of topsy turvy world.It might try to promote fascism, but censoring it and suppressing the book won't stop idiots from getting their hands on it. It's better to allow that piece of garbage to exist, because it genuinely is as hard to read as a brick and anyone trying to base their belief system off it would seriously struggle to make heads or tails of it.Neo-Nazi idiots just parrot the shit that their friends and fathers parroted to them, actually trying to extract sense from mein kampf is pretty futile and I would say it's beyond the skill of the average skinhead.In my opinion, it's better to let people see the evils of the ideas contained in that book for themselves than to tell them it's bad and ban it outright.The people reading it won't see it as evil. If you've read about what the Nazis have done and you're interested enough to read the book of psycho numero uno himself, chances are you think they had some good ideas.Well, I've read it. Or most of it anyway, I got sick of reading a brick and gave up.Despite my earlier half joke, it is an evil book. It's filled with the kind of shit you see on stormfront nowadays but written in the context of 80-90 years ago.I've read quite a lot about what the nazis did, if there was an SS officer in the same room as me and I had a gun - I'd shoot the bastard in cold blood.I was interested to get a look at the psychology behind the lunatic responsible for all that shit, not because I thought that the Nazis needed to kill off some more jews and cripples.You have to learn from history to avoid the same mistakes being repeated, the problem with stamping out the remainder of the problem is it's harder to study it in the future and make sure it never happens again.
]Nope, people can say what they like on the Internet. Freedom of speech.
A book is more official, holds more weight,
and has more authority when it comes to reading and learning new ideas.
I didn't say you couldn't learn from talking to people on the Internet, I said somebody saying "The Jews should be killed because they're ruining the world" is not the same as reading "The Jew is the sole source of corruption and evil in our species" in a Nazi book.
Quote from: Mr Psychologist on December 08, 2014, 06:55:19 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 08, 2014, 06:40:00 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on December 08, 2014, 06:30:56 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 08, 2014, 06:24:10 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on December 08, 2014, 06:14:48 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 08, 2014, 06:04:24 PMQuote from: TrussingDoor on December 08, 2014, 05:33:13 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 08, 2014, 05:01:29 PMThat's where you're wrong. You're free from fascism. That shit has no place in a civilized society that values equality and democracy.Clearly not, if one book is all it takes for your culture to descend into fascism, so much so that it must be banned. If it's that easy, I think this society's values lie elsewhere.In fact, I would call the suppression of ideas very un-democratic.Don't twist things. Suppression of fascism is not suppression of ideas. And there's no slippery slope effect either. Fascism is a very clear and serious danger to democracy and freedom. If censoring a book written by a madman that promotes fascism is fascism to you, then you're living in some sort of topsy turvy world.It might try to promote fascism, but censoring it and suppressing the book won't stop idiots from getting their hands on it. It's better to allow that piece of garbage to exist, because it genuinely is as hard to read as a brick and anyone trying to base their belief system off it would seriously struggle to make heads or tails of it.Neo-Nazi idiots just parrot the shit that their friends and fathers parroted to them, actually trying to extract sense from mein kampf is pretty futile and I would say it's beyond the skill of the average skinhead.In my opinion, it's better to let people see the evils of the ideas contained in that book for themselves than to tell them it's bad and ban it outright.The people reading it won't see it as evil. If you've read about what the Nazis have done and you're interested enough to read the book of psycho numero uno himself, chances are you think they had some good ideas.Well, I've read it. Or most of it anyway, I got sick of reading a brick and gave up.Despite my earlier half joke, it is an evil book. It's filled with the kind of shit you see on stormfront nowadays but written in the context of 80-90 years ago.I've read quite a lot about what the nazis did, if there was an SS officer in the same room as me and I had a gun - I'd shoot the bastard in cold blood.I was interested to get a look at the psychology behind the lunatic responsible for all that shit, not because I thought that the Nazis needed to kill off some more jews and cripples.You have to learn from history to avoid the same mistakes being repeated, the problem with stamping out the remainder of the problem is it's harder to study it in the future and make sure it never happens again.Then read a history book. Erase it from your mind, don't promote it, don't waste time on it. It's wrong, it's stupid, and it's against everything humanity is supposed to be.Besides, there's genocide going on right now. There's governments brainwashing and controlling their citizens right now. That book not being banned hasn't stopped anything fm from being repeated.I have read many.I in no way promote it, whenever it's brought up I say how shite the book is let alone the abhorrent content. Understanding what you are supposed to watch for in others is important, sure you can try and leave it all up to intuition but there isn't anything wrong with understanding the mind (or trying to) of people who think like that. Finding out what makes them tick is important as it helps you prevent others from falling into the same pitfalls.And the genocides currently being carried out are not over things mentioned in mein kampf or any other nazi literature. It's over ethnic divisions and power struggles in Africa and the middle east. The Hutus in Rwanda weren't Neo-Nazis, they just wanted to butcher the Tutsis.Right, and as long we have history books no Naziesque regime will ever pop up again. But the point is there's nothing to gain by allowing people to read this book that can't be gained by reading a history book.
Quote from: challengerX on December 08, 2014, 06:40:00 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on December 08, 2014, 06:30:56 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 08, 2014, 06:24:10 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on December 08, 2014, 06:14:48 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 08, 2014, 06:04:24 PMQuote from: TrussingDoor on December 08, 2014, 05:33:13 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 08, 2014, 05:01:29 PMThat's where you're wrong. You're free from fascism. That shit has no place in a civilized society that values equality and democracy.Clearly not, if one book is all it takes for your culture to descend into fascism, so much so that it must be banned. If it's that easy, I think this society's values lie elsewhere.In fact, I would call the suppression of ideas very un-democratic.Don't twist things. Suppression of fascism is not suppression of ideas. And there's no slippery slope effect either. Fascism is a very clear and serious danger to democracy and freedom. If censoring a book written by a madman that promotes fascism is fascism to you, then you're living in some sort of topsy turvy world.It might try to promote fascism, but censoring it and suppressing the book won't stop idiots from getting their hands on it. It's better to allow that piece of garbage to exist, because it genuinely is as hard to read as a brick and anyone trying to base their belief system off it would seriously struggle to make heads or tails of it.Neo-Nazi idiots just parrot the shit that their friends and fathers parroted to them, actually trying to extract sense from mein kampf is pretty futile and I would say it's beyond the skill of the average skinhead.In my opinion, it's better to let people see the evils of the ideas contained in that book for themselves than to tell them it's bad and ban it outright.The people reading it won't see it as evil. If you've read about what the Nazis have done and you're interested enough to read the book of psycho numero uno himself, chances are you think they had some good ideas.Well, I've read it. Or most of it anyway, I got sick of reading a brick and gave up.Despite my earlier half joke, it is an evil book. It's filled with the kind of shit you see on stormfront nowadays but written in the context of 80-90 years ago.I've read quite a lot about what the nazis did, if there was an SS officer in the same room as me and I had a gun - I'd shoot the bastard in cold blood.I was interested to get a look at the psychology behind the lunatic responsible for all that shit, not because I thought that the Nazis needed to kill off some more jews and cripples.You have to learn from history to avoid the same mistakes being repeated, the problem with stamping out the remainder of the problem is it's harder to study it in the future and make sure it never happens again.Then read a history book. Erase it from your mind, don't promote it, don't waste time on it. It's wrong, it's stupid, and it's against everything humanity is supposed to be.Besides, there's genocide going on right now. There's governments brainwashing and controlling their citizens right now. That book not being banned hasn't stopped anything fm from being repeated.I have read many.I in no way promote it, whenever it's brought up I say how shite the book is let alone the abhorrent content. Understanding what you are supposed to watch for in others is important, sure you can try and leave it all up to intuition but there isn't anything wrong with understanding the mind (or trying to) of people who think like that. Finding out what makes them tick is important as it helps you prevent others from falling into the same pitfalls.And the genocides currently being carried out are not over things mentioned in mein kampf or any other nazi literature. It's over ethnic divisions and power struggles in Africa and the middle east. The Hutus in Rwanda weren't Neo-Nazis, they just wanted to butcher the Tutsis.
Quote from: Mr Psychologist on December 08, 2014, 07:03:35 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 08, 2014, 07:00:08 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on December 08, 2014, 06:55:19 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 08, 2014, 06:40:00 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on December 08, 2014, 06:30:56 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 08, 2014, 06:24:10 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on December 08, 2014, 06:14:48 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 08, 2014, 06:04:24 PMQuote from: TrussingDoor on December 08, 2014, 05:33:13 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 08, 2014, 05:01:29 PMThat's where you're wrong. You're free from fascism. That shit has no place in a civilized society that values equality and democracy.Clearly not, if one book is all it takes for your culture to descend into fascism, so much so that it must be banned. If it's that easy, I think this society's values lie elsewhere.In fact, I would call the suppression of ideas very un-democratic.Don't twist things. Suppression of fascism is not suppression of ideas. And there's no slippery slope effect either. Fascism is a very clear and serious danger to democracy and freedom. If censoring a book written by a madman that promotes fascism is fascism to you, then you're living in some sort of topsy turvy world.It might try to promote fascism, but censoring it and suppressing the book won't stop idiots from getting their hands on it. It's better to allow that piece of garbage to exist, because it genuinely is as hard to read as a brick and anyone trying to base their belief system off it would seriously struggle to make heads or tails of it.Neo-Nazi idiots just parrot the shit that their friends and fathers parroted to them, actually trying to extract sense from mein kampf is pretty futile and I would say it's beyond the skill of the average skinhead.In my opinion, it's better to let people see the evils of the ideas contained in that book for themselves than to tell them it's bad and ban it outright.The people reading it won't see it as evil. If you've read about what the Nazis have done and you're interested enough to read the book of psycho numero uno himself, chances are you think they had some good ideas.Well, I've read it. Or most of it anyway, I got sick of reading a brick and gave up.Despite my earlier half joke, it is an evil book. It's filled with the kind of shit you see on stormfront nowadays but written in the context of 80-90 years ago.I've read quite a lot about what the nazis did, if there was an SS officer in the same room as me and I had a gun - I'd shoot the bastard in cold blood.I was interested to get a look at the psychology behind the lunatic responsible for all that shit, not because I thought that the Nazis needed to kill off some more jews and cripples.You have to learn from history to avoid the same mistakes being repeated, the problem with stamping out the remainder of the problem is it's harder to study it in the future and make sure it never happens again.Then read a history book. Erase it from your mind, don't promote it, don't waste time on it. It's wrong, it's stupid, and it's against everything humanity is supposed to be.Besides, there's genocide going on right now. There's governments brainwashing and controlling their citizens right now. That book not being banned hasn't stopped anything fm from being repeated.I have read many.I in no way promote it, whenever it's brought up I say how shite the book is let alone the abhorrent content. Understanding what you are supposed to watch for in others is important, sure you can try and leave it all up to intuition but there isn't anything wrong with understanding the mind (or trying to) of people who think like that. Finding out what makes them tick is important as it helps you prevent others from falling into the same pitfalls.And the genocides currently being carried out are not over things mentioned in mein kampf or any other nazi literature. It's over ethnic divisions and power struggles in Africa and the middle east. The Hutus in Rwanda weren't Neo-Nazis, they just wanted to butcher the Tutsis.Right, and as long we have history books no Naziesque regime will ever pop up again. But the point is there's nothing to gain by allowing people to read this book that can't be gained by reading a history book.Except history books inevitably abridge and abbreviate, put the author's spin on things and paint a narrative. Even if the original source material is disgusting, shielding people from it and buffing over the stain on humanity's existence won't work well in the long run.It's better to remember the horrors and to study the events that led to them occurring and then to remember how we shoved that shit back up the asshole of the bastards who dreamt it up in the first place <______<Mein Kampf doesn't really inform anybody though, it's just the ramblings of Hitler and his bullshit ideology. Most history books do a good jobs at being unbiased.
Quote from: challengerX on December 08, 2014, 07:00:08 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on December 08, 2014, 06:55:19 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 08, 2014, 06:40:00 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on December 08, 2014, 06:30:56 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 08, 2014, 06:24:10 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on December 08, 2014, 06:14:48 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 08, 2014, 06:04:24 PMQuote from: TrussingDoor on December 08, 2014, 05:33:13 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 08, 2014, 05:01:29 PMThat's where you're wrong. You're free from fascism. That shit has no place in a civilized society that values equality and democracy.Clearly not, if one book is all it takes for your culture to descend into fascism, so much so that it must be banned. If it's that easy, I think this society's values lie elsewhere.In fact, I would call the suppression of ideas very un-democratic.Don't twist things. Suppression of fascism is not suppression of ideas. And there's no slippery slope effect either. Fascism is a very clear and serious danger to democracy and freedom. If censoring a book written by a madman that promotes fascism is fascism to you, then you're living in some sort of topsy turvy world.It might try to promote fascism, but censoring it and suppressing the book won't stop idiots from getting their hands on it. It's better to allow that piece of garbage to exist, because it genuinely is as hard to read as a brick and anyone trying to base their belief system off it would seriously struggle to make heads or tails of it.Neo-Nazi idiots just parrot the shit that their friends and fathers parroted to them, actually trying to extract sense from mein kampf is pretty futile and I would say it's beyond the skill of the average skinhead.In my opinion, it's better to let people see the evils of the ideas contained in that book for themselves than to tell them it's bad and ban it outright.The people reading it won't see it as evil. If you've read about what the Nazis have done and you're interested enough to read the book of psycho numero uno himself, chances are you think they had some good ideas.Well, I've read it. Or most of it anyway, I got sick of reading a brick and gave up.Despite my earlier half joke, it is an evil book. It's filled with the kind of shit you see on stormfront nowadays but written in the context of 80-90 years ago.I've read quite a lot about what the nazis did, if there was an SS officer in the same room as me and I had a gun - I'd shoot the bastard in cold blood.I was interested to get a look at the psychology behind the lunatic responsible for all that shit, not because I thought that the Nazis needed to kill off some more jews and cripples.You have to learn from history to avoid the same mistakes being repeated, the problem with stamping out the remainder of the problem is it's harder to study it in the future and make sure it never happens again.Then read a history book. Erase it from your mind, don't promote it, don't waste time on it. It's wrong, it's stupid, and it's against everything humanity is supposed to be.Besides, there's genocide going on right now. There's governments brainwashing and controlling their citizens right now. That book not being banned hasn't stopped anything fm from being repeated.I have read many.I in no way promote it, whenever it's brought up I say how shite the book is let alone the abhorrent content. Understanding what you are supposed to watch for in others is important, sure you can try and leave it all up to intuition but there isn't anything wrong with understanding the mind (or trying to) of people who think like that. Finding out what makes them tick is important as it helps you prevent others from falling into the same pitfalls.And the genocides currently being carried out are not over things mentioned in mein kampf or any other nazi literature. It's over ethnic divisions and power struggles in Africa and the middle east. The Hutus in Rwanda weren't Neo-Nazis, they just wanted to butcher the Tutsis.Right, and as long we have history books no Naziesque regime will ever pop up again. But the point is there's nothing to gain by allowing people to read this book that can't be gained by reading a history book.Except history books inevitably abridge and abbreviate, put the author's spin on things and paint a narrative. Even if the original source material is disgusting, shielding people from it and buffing over the stain on humanity's existence won't work well in the long run.It's better to remember the horrors and to study the events that led to them occurring and then to remember how we shoved that shit back up the asshole of the bastards who dreamt it up in the first place <______<
If you live in a country that banned Mein Kampf
