The student, a ninth grader at Right Choices Alternative School, identifies as an atheist and opposes the phrase “under God” in the Pledge. When he has attempted to remain seated at his desk in a quiet and undisruptive manner during the Pledge recitation, his teacher has instructed him to stand, has told him that school policy requires him to stand and has also threatened him with punishment. In addition, the teacher has argued with the student about his atheism, has questioned the student’s patriotism and has insisted that his actions are offensive to members of the U.S. armed services. The student contacted the American Humanist Association’s Appignani Humanist Legal Center through the organization’s DontSaythePledge.com campaign website.
If people don't want to say it leave them alone, ffs.
Hurr Durr In b5 PSU
Quote from: PSU on September 27, 2014, 01:57:42 PMHurr Durr In b5 PSUDeep, bro.
And that teacher will loose their job. 1st Amendment violation. Rights even apply to students
Quote from: Kinder_ on September 27, 2014, 02:17:02 PMAnd that teacher will loose their job. 1st Amendment violation. Rights even apply to studentsJust enforcing the school policy. I still don't understand why atheists can't just stand for 50 seconds and not say it. Just stand, thats it. But then again 90% of atheists are miserable assholes so....
Quote from: PSU on September 27, 2014, 02:20:35 PMQuote from: Kinder_ on September 27, 2014, 02:17:02 PMAnd that teacher will loose their job. 1st Amendment violation. Rights even apply to studentsJust enforcing the school policy. I still don't understand why atheists can't just stand for 50 seconds and not say it. Just stand, thats it. But then again 90% of atheists are miserable assholes so....1st Amendment>>>>>>school policyWhy can't atheists just express their 1st amendment right and not stand?
Quote from: PSU on September 27, 2014, 02:20:35 PMQuote from: Kinder_ on September 27, 2014, 02:17:02 PMAnd that teacher will loose their job. 1st Amendment violation. Rights even apply to studentsJust enforcing the school policy. I still don't understand why atheists can't just stand for 50 seconds and not say it. Just stand, thats it. But then again 90% of atheists are miserable assholes so....I've never been religious, and I'd always say everything. However, I'd rather it's changed because America is a secular state which focuses on freedom. I should have the freedom to not have to swear loyalty to something I don't believe in. I'm sure you'd feel the same way if you had to swear loyalty to Allah or Mahmad.
Quote from: Kinder_ on September 27, 2014, 02:24:10 PMQuote from: PSU on September 27, 2014, 02:20:35 PMQuote from: Kinder_ on September 27, 2014, 02:17:02 PMAnd that teacher will loose their job. 1st Amendment violation. Rights even apply to studentsJust enforcing the school policy. I still don't understand why atheists can't just stand for 50 seconds and not say it. Just stand, thats it. But then again 90% of atheists are miserable assholes so....1st Amendment>>>>>>school policyWhy can't atheists just express their 1st amendment right and not stand?Why can't they just stand and not say anything? Kids in other countries would literally kill to be in the same seat as them, in America.
Quote from: PSU on September 27, 2014, 02:27:35 PMQuote from: Kinder_ on September 27, 2014, 02:24:10 PMQuote from: PSU on September 27, 2014, 02:20:35 PMQuote from: Kinder_ on September 27, 2014, 02:17:02 PMAnd that teacher will loose their job. 1st Amendment violation. Rights even apply to studentsJust enforcing the school policy. I still don't understand why atheists can't just stand for 50 seconds and not say it. Just stand, thats it. But then again 90% of atheists are miserable assholes so....1st Amendment>>>>>>school policyWhy can't atheists just express their 1st amendment right and not stand?Why can't they just stand and not say anything? Kids in other countries would literally kill to be in the same seat as them, in America.What does the position of the student's body matter?
Quote from: Mad Max on September 27, 2014, 02:33:40 PMQuote from: PSU on September 27, 2014, 02:27:35 PMQuote from: Kinder_ on September 27, 2014, 02:24:10 PMQuote from: PSU on September 27, 2014, 02:20:35 PMQuote from: Kinder_ on September 27, 2014, 02:17:02 PMAnd that teacher will loose their job. 1st Amendment violation. Rights even apply to studentsJust enforcing the school policy. I still don't understand why atheists can't just stand for 50 seconds and not say it. Just stand, thats it. But then again 90% of atheists are miserable assholes so....1st Amendment>>>>>>school policyWhy can't atheists just express their 1st amendment right and not stand?Why can't they just stand and not say anything? Kids in other countries would literally kill to be in the same seat as them, in America.What does the position of the student's body matter?As a teacher, you know a student should be obeying you and the school policy. If you are told to stand, you stand. Its not a horrible request. If you're sick, disabled, ect. You can sit. Otherwise, why deliberately disobey authority?
Standing is a form of respect.
Quote from: PSU on September 27, 2014, 02:39:58 PMStanding is a form of respect.It's impossible to force a person to have respect for something. All you're doing is forcing people into feigning respect while simultaneously turning them away from whatever it is you're trying to get them to praise. Respect is earned, not demanded or imposed. If you want people to respect your military or country or whatever it is you feel is so important, the only way to do it is by actually making it worthwhile of respect. Something that right now, it very much arguably is not.
Quote from: PSU on September 27, 2014, 02:39:58 PMStanding is a form of respect.What's there to respect if they aren't saying the Pledge?
Quote from: Mad Max on September 27, 2014, 02:44:12 PMQuote from: PSU on September 27, 2014, 02:39:58 PMStanding is a form of respect.What's there to respect if they aren't saying the Pledge?Their teachers, their school, their state, their country, their military?
Quote from: PSU on September 27, 2014, 02:45:06 PMQuote from: Mad Max on September 27, 2014, 02:44:12 PMQuote from: PSU on September 27, 2014, 02:39:58 PMStanding is a form of respect.What's there to respect if they aren't saying the Pledge?Their teachers, their school, their state, their country, their military?The military?
If you don't like "under God" don't say it
