Are unions really necessary anymore?
Quote from: Fagcicle on September 14, 2015, 07:55:32 PMAre unions really necessary anymore?Yes.
Why?
unions are pointless now and actually cause problems instead of fixing them
Quote from: Fagcicle on September 14, 2015, 07:58:13 PMWhy?Why are jobs necessary?
Unions wouldn't need to exist if businesses didn't treat their employees like dirt.
Quote from: Carsonogen on September 14, 2015, 08:00:22 PMQuote from: SoporificSlash on September 14, 2015, 07:58:11 PMunions are pointless now and actually cause problems instead of fixing themlolnoUnions are the backbone of America. You think your employer gives a shit about you? You think your employer's employer does? Unions are the only organized group who actually care about people and not profit margins.<ββββββββββ- 1896 is that way, friend
Quote from: SoporificSlash on September 14, 2015, 07:58:11 PMunions are pointless now and actually cause problems instead of fixing themlolnoUnions are the backbone of America. You think your employer gives a shit about you? You think your employer's employer does? Unions are the only organized group who actually care about people and not profit margins.
Quote from: SoporificSlash on September 14, 2015, 07:58:11 PMunions are pointless now and actually cause problems instead of fixing themlolnoYou think your employer gives a shit about you? You think your employer's employer does? Unions are the only organized group who actually care about people and not profit margins.
Quote from: Carsonogen on September 14, 2015, 08:00:22 PMQuote from: SoporificSlash on September 14, 2015, 07:58:11 PMunions are pointless now and actually cause problems instead of fixing themlolnoYou think your employer gives a shit about you? You think your employer's employer does? Unions are the only organized group who actually care about people and not profit margins.My company is constantly ranked in the Top 5 Best Companies to Work For, even as high as number one, without any union.I'm sure there are some unions that are necessary for some careers, but the notion that they are 100% necessary for everyone is retarded....God I'm turning into PSU.
Quote from: Fagcicle on September 14, 2015, 08:02:12 PMQuote from: Carsonogen on September 14, 2015, 08:00:22 PMQuote from: SoporificSlash on September 14, 2015, 07:58:11 PMunions are pointless now and actually cause problems instead of fixing themlolnoYou think your employer gives a shit about you? You think your employer's employer does? Unions are the only organized group who actually care about people and not profit margins.My company is constantly ranked in the Top 5 Best Companies to Work For, even as high as number one, without any union.I'm sure there are some unions that are necessary for some careers, but the notion that they are 100% necessary for everyone is retarded....God I'm turning into PSU.So because you're lucky enough to have a job where you're treated fairly, that means everyone is?
I'm sure there are some unions that are necessary for some careers, but the notion that they are 100% necessary for everyone is retarded.
Don't answer my question with another. You think that unions are still necessary, why do you think that?
I'm sure there are some unions that are necessary for some careers
Quote from: Fagcicle on September 14, 2015, 08:00:29 PMDon't answer my question with another. You think that unions are still necessary, why do you think that?I wasn't answering your questionβI was implying that you might as well be asking yourself that question.Having institutions around to set standards for how workers are treated sounds like a pretty good idea to me.Though, it's not that I think labor unions are necessary as much as I don't think they are unnecessary.Do you think unions are unnecessary?
Thinking union bosses care any more about workers than the employers is intensely naive.
Quote from: Executioner Sigma on September 14, 2015, 08:08:20 PMThinking union bosses care any more about workers than the employers is intensely naive.Except they objectively do. Ever met Lee Saunders? One of the most respectable and honest people in the world, and he's the president of one of the biggest US unions. Employers care only about money, on the other hand.
>respectable and honest organization>was once dominated by the mafia and to this day uses bully tactics to gain members and then makes them pay dues
Quote from: Carsonogen on September 14, 2015, 08:14:55 PMQuote from: SoporificSlash on September 14, 2015, 08:13:23 PM>respectable and honest organization>was once dominated by the mafia and to this day uses bully tactics to gain members and then makes them pay duesLOLAre you honestly going to try and deny that labor unions weren't deeply corrupted by the mafia? Please try and make that argument. Please do it.
Quote from: SoporificSlash on September 14, 2015, 08:13:23 PM>respectable and honest organization>was once dominated by the mafia and to this day uses bully tactics to gain members and then makes them pay duesLOL
Quote from: Carsonogen on September 14, 2015, 08:11:56 PMQuote from: Executioner Sigma on September 14, 2015, 08:08:20 PMThinking union bosses care any more about workers than the employers is intensely naive.Except they objectively do. Ever met Lee Saunders? One of the most respectable and honest people in the world, and he's the president of one of the biggest US unions. Employers care only about money, on the other hand.Oh, gee, well done. You can tag the word objectively into a sentence and make it look as if you're saying something substantial. You know there are a lot of decent employers, right? Sectors which tend to have low employee satisfaction tend to have exceptionally high rates of turnover precisely because they are entry-level jobs. You start moving up the pay gradient and your employer is probably going to be bending over kissing your ass and begging you to stay.
If you didn't think Walker was enough of a joke....
