(This is the first of many ways that Trump's supporters will attempt to silence and demonize their opposition over the next four years.)
One of the falsehoods in the Clinton speech was the implied equivalency between civil resistance and insurgency. This is an autocrat’s favorite con, the explanation for the violent suppression of peaceful protests the world over.
Quote from: TurkTurkBangBang on November 12, 2016, 10:08:52 PMIt hasn't even been a week. I think people are allowed a bit of time to come to grips with it. It happens every election.I don't recall anything nearly this childish happening after Bush 2 or Obama.
It hasn't even been a week. I think people are allowed a bit of time to come to grips with it. It happens every election.
Quote from: Mr Deplorable on November 12, 2016, 10:09:49 PMQuote from: TurkTurkBangBang on November 12, 2016, 10:08:52 PMIt hasn't even been a week. I think people are allowed a bit of time to come to grips with it. It happens every election.I don't recall anything nearly this childish happening after Bush 2 or Obama.Bush and Obama also didn't agree with a proposal to make Muslim Americans wear special identification.
I'm not willing.
Quote from: Kupo & the Two G-strings on November 12, 2016, 10:09:24 PMYouTubehttp://sep7agon.net/serious/don't-normalize-trump-simply-because-he-won/Quote(This is the first of many ways that Trump's supporters will attempt to silence and demonize their opposition over the next four years.) Nobody is trying to silence the opposition. People like Icy, President Obama and most of the political class have been totally reasonable. They've been critical of Trump from the go, but are willing to accept the loss and their position, and act like rational human beings for the next four years.The fact of the matter is that our entire political structure (one I don't even like that much) relies entirely on the general understanding that its methods of election, appointment and regulation are legitimate. When the losing side begins to deny the legitimacy of those things just because it doesn't like the results, that political structure is undermined.Donald Trump is not going to kill you, send you away or hurt you. He is not going to restrict your political freedoms. You have been indoctrinated by two years of propaganda and hyperbolic rhetoric into thinking that the US has been taken over by a neo-Nazi in some kind of illegal coup. The simple truth of the matter is that Donald Trump, as well as his supporters, genuinely wants to Make America Great Again. Whether or not his plans for doing this are going to work is a matter very much up for debate, but it is quite apparent (to those willing to unplug their ears and take their hands away from their eyes) that the man really does mean well for this country and its inhabitants. Stop acting like a child. Obama is not a Muslim communist who wants Islam to take over the United States. Donald Trump is not a fascist who wants to exterminate nonwhites and liberals.
YouTubehttp://sep7agon.net/serious/don't-normalize-trump-simply-because-he-won/Quote(This is the first of many ways that Trump's supporters will attempt to silence and demonize their opposition over the next four years.)
flatly advocated the dismissal of most constitutional rights for a safer society
Nobody is trying to silence the opposition. People like Icy, President Obama and most of the political class have been totally reasonable. They've been critical of Trump from the go, but are willing to accept the loss and their position, and act like rational human beings for the next four years.The fact of the matter is that our entire political structure (one I don't even like that much) relies entirely on the general understanding that its methods of election, appointment and regulation are legitimate. When the losing side begins to deny the legitimacy of those things just because it doesn't like the results, that political structure is undermined.Donald Trump is not going to kill you, send you away or hurt you. He is not going to restrict your political freedoms. You have been indoctrinated by two years of propaganda and hyperbolic rhetoric into thinking that the US has been taken over by a neo-Nazi in some kind of illegal coup. The simple truth of the matter is that Donald Trump, as well as his supporters, genuinely wants to Make America Great Again. Whether or not his plans for doing this are going to work is a matter very much up for debate, but it is quite apparent (to those willing to unplug their ears and take their hands away from their eyes) that the man really does mean well for this country and its inhabitants. Stop acting like a child. Obama is not a Muslim communist who wants Islam to take over the United States. Donald Trump is not a fascist who wants to exterminate nonwhites and liberals.
Quote from: Kupo & the Two G-strings on November 12, 2016, 10:21:31 PMQuote from: Maverick on November 12, 2016, 10:19:24 PMQuote from: Mr Deplorable on November 12, 2016, 10:09:49 PMQuote from: TurkTurkBangBang on November 12, 2016, 10:08:52 PMIt hasn't even been a week. I think people are allowed a bit of time to come to grips with it. It happens every election.I don't recall anything nearly this childish happening after Bush 2 or Obama.Bush and Obama also didn't agree with a proposal to make Muslim Americans wear special identification.That sounds familiarOh, so I'm being baited. Okay.
Quote from: Maverick on November 12, 2016, 10:19:24 PMQuote from: Mr Deplorable on November 12, 2016, 10:09:49 PMQuote from: TurkTurkBangBang on November 12, 2016, 10:08:52 PMIt hasn't even been a week. I think people are allowed a bit of time to come to grips with it. It happens every election.I don't recall anything nearly this childish happening after Bush 2 or Obama.Bush and Obama also didn't agree with a proposal to make Muslim Americans wear special identification.That sounds familiar
Quote from: Kupo & the Two G-strings on November 12, 2016, 10:29:43 PMflatly advocated the dismissal of most constitutional rights for a safer societyWhere?
banning Muslims from entering the country (First Amendment)
You mean exactly what Clinton's been doing? Don't forget what happened under the Obama administration with her as secretary of defense, or her outright rejection of the second amendment.
'm still opposed to government overreach. The difference is that a year ago I considered the existence of a government to be overreach. I've calmed down quite a bit in that respect.
Unless you want to count them ALLEGEDLY aiding Wikileaks in exposing institutional corruption, which would have been a goddamn service to the people of this country.
Except, you know, every single comment he has made since winning.
Quote from: Kupo & the Two G-strings on November 12, 2016, 10:38:02 PMbanning Muslims from entering the country (First Amendment)Nope. Not unconstitutional. As for the rest, has SCOTUS actually ruled on these issues or are you just superimposing your personal assessments over your republic's institutions, again?
I don't see how a Supreme Court ruling is required to make a case for/against constitutionality.
Quote from: Kupo & the Two G-strings on November 12, 2016, 10:50:58 PMI don't see how a Supreme Court ruling is required to make a case for/against constitutionality.It isn't, but it would be nice for your argument to have some kind of legal substance. All it is so far is "this policy is related to to a specific religion, therefore I think it violates my personal conception of the First Amendment." 1A prevents Congress from making any law elevating or prohibiting the practice of a given religion within the United States; I see no conflict here with the idea of preventing people of a certain religion from entering the country, especially not since this is already legal under federal law. You need something better than "because I say so".
Quote from: Kupo & the Two G-strings on November 12, 2016, 10:29:43 PMQuote from: Mr Deplorable on November 12, 2016, 10:23:20 PMQuote from: Kupo & the Two G-strings on November 12, 2016, 10:09:24 PMYouTubehttp://sep7agon.net/serious/don't-normalize-trump-simply-because-he-won/Quote(This is the first of many ways that Trump's supporters will attempt to silence and demonize their opposition over the next four years.) Nobody is trying to silence the opposition. People like Icy, President Obama and most of the political class have been totally reasonable. They've been critical of Trump from the go, but are willing to accept the loss and their position, and act like rational human beings for the next four years.The fact of the matter is that our entire political structure (one I don't even like that much) relies entirely on the general understanding that its methods of election, appointment and regulation are legitimate. When the losing side begins to deny the legitimacy of those things just because it doesn't like the results, that political structure is undermined.Donald Trump is not going to kill you, send you away or hurt you. He is not going to restrict your political freedoms. You have been indoctrinated by two years of propaganda and hyperbolic rhetoric into thinking that the US has been taken over by a neo-Nazi in some kind of illegal coup. The simple truth of the matter is that Donald Trump, as well as his supporters, genuinely wants to Make America Great Again. Whether or not his plans for doing this are going to work is a matter very much up for debate, but it is quite apparent (to those willing to unplug their ears and take their hands away from their eyes) that the man really does mean well for this country and its inhabitants. Stop acting like a child. Obama is not a Muslim communist who wants Islam to take over the United States. Donald Trump is not a fascist who wants to exterminate nonwhites and liberals.WOW. LOL.Orange Hitler campaigned sixteen months on a platform that flatly advocated the dismissal of most constitutional rights for a safer society. I'm sooner going to take Trump at face value than believe some deranged Internet poster (who perhaps a year or two ago was adamantly against government overreach) who habitually puts words in Trump's mouth. I'm going to expect the worst and hope for the best. If I'm wrong about him, I'll be the first to admit it, you have my word. But as of right now, I have zero reassurances from the president-elect himself that he isn't going to do this stuff.Trump is more like a modern Andrew Jackson than Putin or Hitler. I sincerely doubt he's going to be that bad.
Quote from: Mr Deplorable on November 12, 2016, 10:23:20 PMQuote from: Kupo & the Two G-strings on November 12, 2016, 10:09:24 PMYouTubehttp://sep7agon.net/serious/don't-normalize-trump-simply-because-he-won/Quote(This is the first of many ways that Trump's supporters will attempt to silence and demonize their opposition over the next four years.) Nobody is trying to silence the opposition. People like Icy, President Obama and most of the political class have been totally reasonable. They've been critical of Trump from the go, but are willing to accept the loss and their position, and act like rational human beings for the next four years.The fact of the matter is that our entire political structure (one I don't even like that much) relies entirely on the general understanding that its methods of election, appointment and regulation are legitimate. When the losing side begins to deny the legitimacy of those things just because it doesn't like the results, that political structure is undermined.Donald Trump is not going to kill you, send you away or hurt you. He is not going to restrict your political freedoms. You have been indoctrinated by two years of propaganda and hyperbolic rhetoric into thinking that the US has been taken over by a neo-Nazi in some kind of illegal coup. The simple truth of the matter is that Donald Trump, as well as his supporters, genuinely wants to Make America Great Again. Whether or not his plans for doing this are going to work is a matter very much up for debate, but it is quite apparent (to those willing to unplug their ears and take their hands away from their eyes) that the man really does mean well for this country and its inhabitants. Stop acting like a child. Obama is not a Muslim communist who wants Islam to take over the United States. Donald Trump is not a fascist who wants to exterminate nonwhites and liberals.WOW. LOL.Orange Hitler campaigned sixteen months on a platform that flatly advocated the dismissal of most constitutional rights for a safer society. I'm sooner going to take Trump at face value than believe some deranged Internet poster (who perhaps a year or two ago was adamantly against government overreach) who habitually puts words in Trump's mouth. I'm going to expect the worst and hope for the best. If I'm wrong about him, I'll be the first to admit it, you have my word. But as of right now, I have zero reassurances from the president-elect himself that he isn't going to do this stuff.
Quote from: Verbatim on November 12, 2016, 10:16:17 PMI'm not willing.You're not willing to merely consider a possibility?
If you're not even willing to consider the possibility of Trump being benevolent
