Should churches be non-profit (for tax purposes)

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Churches don't pay taxes. Yet, several pull in billions of dollars in revenue. Should they be taxed like any other organization?


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Should they be taxed like any other organization?

Yes, and they are. They lose their tax exempt status if they fail to meet the criteria of a 501c3.


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Should they be taxed like any other organization?

Yes, and they are. They lose their tax exempt status if they fail to meet the criteria of a 501c3.

I'm asking if any of them should have it at all.


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Should they be taxed like any other organization?

Yes, and they are. They lose their tax exempt status if they fail to meet the criteria of a 501c3.

I'm asking if any of them should have it at all.

Yes, because they meet the criteria for a 501c3. Certain megachurches should be accountable for excise taxes, though (which I believe some are).
Last Edit: October 22, 2015, 02:05:45 PM by HurtfulTurkey


 
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I feel like your post is aimed at Megachurches and I can understand the sentiment but let's say for a second that all churches were taxed. A lot of your small churches which make up the majority of them would be forced to pay taxes when they don't really pull in any kind of profit. A majority of the money they get ends up going back to the community in one form or another. Also there's the upkeep of the church, the pastor and his family have to eat, etc. None of that is free. Paying taxes could be pretty detrimental to those things.

Then put a size or revenue cap?


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Firms which make a profit shouldn't be taxed anyway.


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Firms which make a profit shouldn't be taxed anyway.
...so only businesses and organizations who are running in the red pay taxes?

that's dumb


 
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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
...so only businesses and organizations who are running in the red pay taxes?
. . .

Companies which don't make a profit don't pay the tax anyway.


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...so only businesses and organizations who are running in the red pay taxes?
. . .

Companies which don't make a profit don't pay the tax anyway.
so then nobody pays taxes? that's dumb.


 
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If they get taxed then that's really going to kill my plan of making my own church and having people sending me thousands in the mail.


 
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...so only businesses and organizations who are running in the red pay taxes?
. . .

Companies which don't make a profit don't pay the tax anyway.
so then nobody pays taxes? that's dumb.
Not exactly.

You see, without leeching off of us, the government becomes weak and vulnerable, allowing us to beat up politicians and tar and feather them and such.
i dont like taxes, but i realize their purpose, and without them we'd have no government.


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without them we'd have no government.
you literally just made a great argument against taxation
then who would regulate businesses and industries?


 
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without them we'd have no government.
you literally just made a great argument against taxation
then who would regulate businesses and industries?
A free and armed populace.


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without them we'd have no government.
you literally just made a great argument against taxation
then who would regulate businesses and industries?
A free and armed populace.
but someone has to arbitrate the regulation. someone has to be in charge.


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without them we'd have no government.
you literally just made a great argument against taxation
then who would regulate businesses and industries?
A free and armed populace.
but someone has to arbitrate the regulation. someone has to be in charge.
why
because thats how civilized societies work. even the cavemen had leaders.


 
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This is not the greatest sig in the world, no. This is just a tribute.
without them we'd have no government.
you literally just made a great argument against taxation
then who would regulate businesses and industries?
A free and armed populace.
but someone has to arbitrate the regulation. someone has to be in charge.
why
because thats how civilized societies work. even the cavemen had leaders.
Monopoly of power is how animal relations function. That's why early man structured his civilization that way. 


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without them we'd have no government.
you literally just made a great argument against taxation
then who would regulate businesses and industries?
A free and armed populace.
but someone has to arbitrate the regulation. someone has to be in charge.
why
because thats how civilized societies work. even the cavemen had leaders.
Monopoly of power is how animal relations function. That's why early man structured his civilization that way.
let me know when millions of people can share a society without leadership and government. i'd love to see it.


 
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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
so then nobody pays taxes?
Raise the top income bracket if you really want to make back up the revenue. Fuck it, institute a land tax too.

Just don't use corporation tax, because it fucking sucks. Especially as a way of taxing the haves over the have-nots


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I believe the its in the best interests of everyone to allow a majority of churches to remain tax exempt. The reason behind this is simply because it would be impossible to nail down a way of taxing churches fairly as they have no reliable income and the main source of income is done through a donation basis.
However feel free to correct me if im wrong. Its late and I probably didnt articulate that accurately


 
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This is not the greatest sig in the world, no. This is just a tribute.
so then nobody pays taxes?
Raise the top income bracket if you really want to make back up the revenue. Fuck it, institute a land tax too.

Just don't use corporation tax, because it fucking sucks. Especially as a way of taxing the haves over the have-nots
property tax needs to go and stay go.


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without them we'd have no government.
you literally just made a great argument against taxation
then who would regulate businesses and industries?
A free and armed populace.
but someone has to arbitrate the regulation. someone has to be in charge.
Dispute resolution organizations (DROs)