>pain is a good thingEnder just stop, lol
The only real behavioral inheretence is manifested in conditions like aspergers, which is an entire other touchy subject because just because the parents have learned to live at peace with something like that, it is not very ethical at all to knowingly put it on a child. Aspergers can lead to some crippling fucking depression and death.Everything else has hardly any emperical basis though. If you try adopting a child who's well developed already, yeah they're coming in with a lot of conditioning outside your control, but waiting for a younger orphan isn't out of the question (again the system is the problem).And I think people need to reframe how they see dealing with an adopted child's problems. It seems when people imagine an adopted's problems they suddenly feel like they don't have responsibility to help their child get through them. That's not how parenting works, if you want to be a parent you should want to assist your child with their problems no matter who's fault it is it happened.
Quote from: Fuddy Duddy II on January 27, 2016, 08:23:03 PMhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedonic_treadmillImpossible.I'm pretty sure you're well-aware that it is philosophically disingenuous to try and pass off the hedonic treadmill as some kind of knock-down argument.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedonic_treadmillImpossible.
The only real behavioral inheretence is manifested in conditions like aspergers
Do you honestly believe that human beings are capable of being sated forever?
the hedonic treadmill is not some empirically codified law of neuroscience or psychology.
Pain quite obviously can be a good thing. Anybody who denies this and makes sweeping claims about the (dis-)utility of suffering isn't as well-read as they think they are.
Quote from: Eli on January 29, 2016, 10:08:32 AM>pain is a good thingEnder just stop, lolPain quite obviously can be a good thing. Anybody who denies this and makes sweeping claims about the (dis-)utility of suffering isn't as well-read as they think they are.
To extrapolate--Any system where negative sensation can produce positive outcomes is a bad system.
Quote from: eggsalad on January 29, 2016, 03:18:24 PMThe only real behavioral inheretence is manifested in conditions like aspergersHa, what?
Quote from: Verbatim on December 08, 2015, 07:46:25 PMa lot of people try to argue that anti-natalism is a bad idea because we've "come so far" as a species and if we just died off, no one would ever be able to experience the "awesome" shit that we'd have produced in the future.I would say that we are just beginning to make awesome shit now. Prosthetics are becoming more functional and available, self driving cars, autonomous machines, poor 3rd world nations are beginning to develop, globally crime is going down, we are developing our understanding of most terrible diseases, etc.Quotethe trouble with this is that no matter how technologically advanced we get, we're always going to be dissatisfiedalwaysyou see it today--we have all this cool shit--laptops, cellphones, fucking airplanesand all we do is bitch about how it all doesn't work right--we take everything for grantedI'm going to disagree with this. These behaviors are product of certain cultural values and bad habits, which you often argue in many of your other stances, that we should learn to overcome. People are often raised in ways that foster greedy and selfish behaviors. People forget sometimes what it is like to be grateful. There are cultures and types of people who demonstrate positive virtues, showing it is possible.Though I believe the effect can be mitigated, the effect of being dissatisfied can be a good thing. It prevents complacency. That dissatisfaction motivates us to get better. Most of your philosophies revolve around a dissatisfaction with the world. Without it, you wouldn't exist as you are now.Quoteand that's what would happen if we had a way to live a perfect, harmless lifewe would get boredOccasionally, we might, but I think you underestimate human creativity. It's not like we would run out of things to alleviate that boredom. We are social creatures. Hypothetically, if robots did all the work in the world, we would still have movies/games/sports/comedy/entertainment, pursuing scientific discovery, finding love, the list goes on. I don't see occasional boredom as a compelling reason to go extinct (early).Quotewe're just sisyphus climbing up the hill that we'll never reach the top of--so the only solution is to just stop trying to roll this fucking boulder up the hill, because it's not accomplishing anything of valueNothing was thought possible until someone did it.
a lot of people try to argue that anti-natalism is a bad idea because we've "come so far" as a species and if we just died off, no one would ever be able to experience the "awesome" shit that we'd have produced in the future.
the trouble with this is that no matter how technologically advanced we get, we're always going to be dissatisfiedalwaysyou see it today--we have all this cool shit--laptops, cellphones, fucking airplanesand all we do is bitch about how it all doesn't work right--we take everything for granted
and that's what would happen if we had a way to live a perfect, harmless lifewe would get bored
we're just sisyphus climbing up the hill that we'll never reach the top of--so the only solution is to just stop trying to roll this fucking boulder up the hill, because it's not accomplishing anything of value
Here's one of my responses to another thread that you missed.
I would say that we are just beginning to make awesome shit now. Prosthetics are becoming more functional and available, self driving cars, autonomous machines, poor 3rd world nations are beginning to develop, globally crime is going down, we are developing our understanding of most terrible diseases, etc.
I'm going to disagree with this. These behaviors are product of certain cultural values and bad habits, which you often argue in many of your other stances, that we should learn to overcome. People are often raised in ways that foster greedy and selfish behaviors. People forget sometimes what it is like to be grateful. There are cultures and types of people who demonstrate positive virtues, showing it is possible.
Though I believe the effect can be mitigated, the effect of being dissatisfied can be a good thing. It prevents complacency. That dissatisfaction motivates us to get better. Most of your philosophies revolve around a dissatisfaction with the world. Without it, you wouldn't exist as you are now.
Occasionally, we might, but I think you underestimate human creativity. It's not like we would run out of things to alleviate that boredom. We are social creatures. Hypothetically, if robots did all the work in the world, we would still have movies/games/sports/comedy/entertainment, pursuing scientific discovery, finding love, the list goes on. I don't see occasional boredom as a compelling reason to go extinct (early).
To extrapolate--Any system where negative sensation can produce positive outcomes is a bad system.A good system wouldn't oblige you to experience negative sensation at all.That's the point being made. By me, anyway.
Question: why do you think that you (or anyone else) deserves to live in a "perfect" world?
Hey verbSince this thread is well and thoroughly derailed anyway, I'm interested in your opinions on blood sports.Like, if someone was able to open a gladiatorial arena for people to fight each other for money and people can bet on it,would you have problems with that? I just mean two people who are fine with it, not slaves versus lions like back in the roman times. It'd be kind of like a more extreme version of boxing or wrestling I guess, in the concept.It's something I've been thinking about recently, both because I went paintballing and because I'm setting up a system for it in my own writing. I'm interested in hearing your thoughts.
All fire emblem characters should be removed from smash.
Quote from: ChaosMetalDragon on January 31, 2016, 09:24:07 PMAll fire emblem characters should be removed from smash.You leave Marth alone.
Quote from: Eli on January 31, 2016, 09:44:05 PMQuote from: ChaosMetalDragon on January 31, 2016, 09:24:07 PMAll fire emblem characters should be removed from smash.You leave Marth alone.They're all fucking Marth
Freeze peachThat is all
Quote from: Cindy on February 01, 2016, 01:20:54 AMFreeze peachThat is allFree expression would've fit the context better, but yeah
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