I'm glad to see you back Gaara, I missed you fam.

Which is what you're doing with your chart.

Uh, no. The point of the chart is to explain why you can't measure pleasure and pain equally. It's called Benatar's Asymmetry, because the whole point is to show the asymmetry of sensation.

(A+B) = (C+D)

where
A = presence of pleasure, which is good (+1)
B = presence of pain, which is bad (-1)
C = absence of pain, which is good (+1)
D = absence of pleasure, which is neutral (0)

((1)+(-1)) = ((1)+(0))
(1-1) = (1+0)
(0) = (1)
0 = 1

Hmmmmmm. Looks like we can't measure them at all. Nope.

Now it has to be under a specific situation?

Of course it does.

Says who?

Rational people.

No there isn't, you have given no proof that there is an objective scale comparing pleasure to pain.

This is why you're a philosophical neophyte. To prove to you that there is an objective scale of pleasure and pain in the universe (you know, being able to tell that two broken legs is worse than one broken leg, and that eating a cupcake is preferable to both of those things) would be akin to trying to explain to you why 2+2=4. It's just that idiotic.

Anyway, I'm done discussing anti-natalism in this thread.

I think I've finally bottomed out--you have the worst grasp of the philosophy I've ever seen.

So if living is such a burden, why haven't anti-natalists just killed themselves yet? You preach being a cold rational, logical thinker, yet you illogically choose to continue pain? Riddle me that one.

http://sep7agon.net/serious/answering-cadenza's-question/msg1096805/#msg1096805

Read this post in its entirety this time. I didn't link it to you so you could fuck off with the first bit.

Yet Japan can only be ridiculed for it?

What the fuck are you even talking about? Of course they're creepy you fucking incredibly smart person. You're really really fucking smart holy fucking shit, your intelligence is so high. FUCKING FUCK YOU ARE ONE SMART MOTHERFUCKER

I imagine jerking it to a hooters magazine though is A-okay?

They also want to fuck pillows with images of young girls.

This is your westernized PoV conflicting with a culture that is vastly different to it.

Japanese invention for the Japanese and westerners obsessed with the worst parts of Japanese culture.

Once again, according to their culture, this is not a problem.

Gee. I don't know. Maybe the part where they're fucking a pillow with a young girl drawn on it.

A good portion of the Japanese don't think this way.

The objective view that fucking a pillow with a cartoon character is fucking creepy.

No.

I'm gonna take a wild guess and assume you own several of these abominations.

Look, I'm willing to meet you half way and say the pillow is kind of stretching it, but if their age of consent is considerably lower, what does the image have to do with anything?

It's wrong, because only a lonely loser virgin creep would fuck a pillow. A pillow with a drawing. Of a young girl.

Quote from: Mordo on January 27, 2016, 09:26:10 AM

Don't like it, don't support the artistry and let the free market do its job better than any government mandated censorship will ever achieve.

Why is this such a difficult concept to people.

/thread

Man, I wish I'd seen that sooner. Thanks for making up my mind.

but why are you guys disgusted over the young girls on a body pillow? seriously, AoC is lower there than here. so like, what is the problem?

Yeah it fucking is. Don't try and act like you're not being a heartless prick because you're sparing your loved ones when you're telling a couple they shouldn't have a biological child. Clearly the pain of being told their bad people for wanting to procreate means jack shit.

Well, you heartless prick, it's not that simple, is it?

So logical reasoning suddenly takes a backseat to the irrational laws of an irrational creature?

First of all, there's the law.

Why do people have earthly attachments? What does earthly attachments give that outweighs the pain they would feel from losing someone who killed themselves? The Asymmetry clearly stated that Scenario B is the best possible solution but those earthly attachments sure do provide something that completely throws that off.

Additionally, much of what makes suicide so difficult for a lot of people is the number of earthly attachments one may have.

Read this post in its entirety this time. I didn't link it to you so you could fuck off with the first bit.

so? its their norm and crap, other countries have their AoC in similar ages, so why arent we getting mad at those places?

its funny, my philosophy class was talking about this today.

I'll get mad at those other places too. I don't know any other country that has as lax of an AoC as Japan does, though.

The fact that it's their norm is the problem--it's not acceptable.

People shouldn't be having sex until they're at least sixteen years old, anywhere. There's way too many risks involved, and those risks are huge, life-threatening, and life-creating.

Quote from: N'awoo on January 27, 2016, 08:59:43 PM

so? its their norm and crap, other countries have their AoC in similar ages, so why arent we getting mad at those places?

its funny, my philosophy class was talking about this today.

I'll get mad at those other places too. I don't know any other country that has as lax of an AoC as Japan does, though.

The fact that it's their norm is the problem--it's not acceptable.

People shouldn't be having sex until they're at least sixteen years old, anywhere. There's way too many risks involved, and those risks are huge, life-threatening, and life-creating.

to be quite honest, you really cant do anything about it. time will tell once the japs begin to understand morals of consensual sex. we cant just go in the country, take it over and change every law to fit our customs. this is just our view of society talking about whats right and wrong in who we can procreate with. not everyone will have our same views. only thing to do is wait it out.