I don't understand why people were mad at Snowden.

Genghis Khan · October 13, 2015, 01:42:31 PM

Arguing that you don't care about the right to privacy because you have nothing to hide is no different than saying you don't care about free speech because you have nothing to say.

- Edward Snowden

MyNameIsCharlie · October 13, 2015, 01:46:57 PM

I don't see him as a traitor. I also don't see him as a patriot either.

Mad Max · October 13, 2015, 01:49:22 PM

Quote from: challengerX on October 13, 2015, 12:47:29 PM

This thread is hilarious.

You would find it hilarious, wouldn't you...

challengerX · October 13, 2015, 03:55:23 PM

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Anonymous (User Deleted) · October 13, 2015, 03:57:24 PM

Quote from: PSU on October 13, 2015, 11:15:09 AM

Quote from: SoporificSlash on October 13, 2015, 10:07:57 AM
Quote from: PSU on October 13, 2015, 09:42:16 AM
He is a traitor. Dude exposes all this info, acts like he's doing the right thing, but then leaves the country. He knew he was wrong and that's why he ran like a little bitch.
You're aware there's a lot more he could have exposed but chose not to in the interest of protecting people? And yeah you'd run too if you were going to be unlawfully arrested.

Its not unlawfully. He BROKE the law.

The law itself was illegal.

Mad Max · October 13, 2015, 03:59:29 PM

Quote from: Kupo on October 13, 2015, 03:57:24 PM

Quote from: PSU on October 13, 2015, 11:15:09 AM
Quote from: SoporificSlash on October 13, 2015, 10:07:57 AM
Quote from: PSU on October 13, 2015, 09:42:16 AM
He is a traitor. Dude exposes all this info, acts like he's doing the right thing, but then leaves the country. He knew he was wrong and that's why he ran like a little bitch.
You're aware there's a lot more he could have exposed but chose not to in the interest of protecting people? And yeah you'd run too if you were going to be unlawfully arrested.

Its not unlawfully. He BROKE the law.
The law itself was illegal.

something something unjust laws
~Camnator

Anonymous (User Deleted) · October 13, 2015, 04:45:04 PM

Quote from: Meta as Fuck on October 13, 2015, 09:07:05 AM

Collection of metadata is not "spying". No data mining occurs, and everything is autonomous and anonymous; the phone book has more personal information about you than the NSA's metadata banks. Plus, you need to already have probable cause before being given a warrant to access the data.

The definition of "anonymized" is vague and undefined at best, and as Slash notes, it's really not that anonymous. If it were actually that harmless, there'd be no point in collecting it in the first place, especially in blanket quantities.

Honestly, I can't see any difference between information that's collected versus accessed. At that point, it's a trivial difference.

Quote from: Mad Max on October 13, 2015, 03:59:29 PM

something something unjust laws
~Camnator

>.> get off your alt