I can't figure out whether to support Israel or Palestine

Dustin · January 03, 2015, 03:57:38 AM

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BrenMan 94 · January 03, 2015, 04:04:33 AM

Fuck the Israeli government, and fuck Hamas.

This entire fight is over a flying spaghetti monster and a goat fucker. It's sickening how so much death and destruction can be fought in the name of entities no one can see, hear, or touch. The people of both nations are just pawns for the Zionists and the Qatari billionaires.

SecondClass · January 03, 2015, 04:11:28 AM

I'd support a white guy over a brown guy any day. Go Israel!

big sponge · January 03, 2015, 04:19:16 AM

How about you don't support either? Neither side is worth supporting IMO.

They should just agree to a two state solution and be done with it, however for that to happen Hamas and the Palestinians will have to take their dicks out of their butts because Isreal has given them some very generous offers when it comes to ending the war and having two coexisting states.

Mr. Psychologist · January 03, 2015, 04:28:46 AM

Hamas are shit, Israel are shit.

One of which goes on absurdly disproportionate and devastating bongarongs in retaliation to a couple of civilians dying. Now I'm not going to dismiss their right to retaliate, but 2000 to 2, is just disgusting no matter how you try to paint it.

BrenMan 94 · January 03, 2015, 05:15:57 AM

Quote from: Mr Psychologist on January 03, 2015, 04:28:46 AM

but 2000 to 2, is just disgusting no matter how you try to paint it.

It's more like 9 to 1, but w/e.

Magos Domina · January 03, 2015, 05:21:39 AM

Quote from: LC on January 03, 2015, 04:19:16 AM

How about you don't support either? Neither side is worth supporting IMO.

They should just agree to a two state solution and be done with it, however for that to happen Hamas and the Palestinians will have to take their dicks out of their butts because Isreal has given them some very generous offers when it comes to ending the war and having two coexisting states.

Not giving land back isn't very generous

Magos Domina · January 03, 2015, 05:22:40 AM

Israel is a fascist state that doesn't deserve to exist.

Anonymous (User Deleted) · January 03, 2015, 05:23:47 AM

Quote from: -Foxy- on January 03, 2015, 05:21:39 AM

Quote from: LC on January 03, 2015, 04:19:16 AM
How about you don't support either? Neither side is worth supporting IMO.

They should just agree to a two state solution and be done with it, however for that to happen Hamas and the Palestinians will have to take their dicks out of their butts because Isreal has given them some very generous offers when it comes to ending the war and having two coexisting states.
Not giving land back isn't very generous

Yeah but turning to terrorism isn't the best way to earn sympathy, either.

EDIT: To clarify, I'm referring to Hamas, not Palestine as a whole.

big sponge · January 03, 2015, 05:23:55 AM

Quote from: -Foxy- on January 03, 2015, 05:21:39 AM

Quote from: LC on January 03, 2015, 04:19:16 AM
How about you don't support either? Neither side is worth supporting IMO.

They should just agree to a two state solution and be done with it, however for that to happen Hamas and the Palestinians will have to take their dicks out of their butts because Isreal has given them some very generous offers when it comes to ending the war and having two coexisting states.
Not giving land back isn't very generous

Umm, they've offered to go back to 1967 borders and give free access to Jerusalem multiple times. That's actually the very definition of giving land back.

Dustin · January 03, 2015, 05:24:21 AM

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big sponge · January 03, 2015, 05:25:03 AM

Quote from: Dustin My Asshole on January 03, 2015, 05:24:21 AM

If you read the OP closely you'll realize that this thread is bait

But it spawns a somewhat decent discussion.

Magos Domina · January 03, 2015, 05:26:52 AM

Quote from: LC on January 03, 2015, 05:23:55 AM

Quote from: -Foxy- on January 03, 2015, 05:21:39 AM
Quote from: LC on January 03, 2015, 04:19:16 AM
How about you don't support either? Neither side is worth supporting IMO.

They should just agree to a two state solution and be done with it, however for that to happen Hamas and the Palestinians will have to take their dicks out of their butts because Isreal has given them some very generous offers when it comes to ending the war and having two coexisting states.
Not giving land back isn't very generous

Umm, they've offered to go back to 1967 borders and give free access to Jerusalem multiple times. That's actually the very definition of giving land back.

bs

More Than Mortal · January 03, 2015, 05:52:19 AM

Israel clearly has the moral superiority over Hamas, and I'll support them until that is no longer the case.

B-b-but m-my white ph-ph-phosphorus

Yeah, fuck you, the Israelis aren't fucking genocidal Nazis with a Qur'an.

Magos Domina · January 03, 2015, 06:05:15 AM

Quote from: Meta Cognition on January 03, 2015, 05:52:19 AM

Israel clearly has the moral superiority over Hamas, and I'll support them until that is no longer the case.

B-b-but m-my white ph-ph-phosphorus

Yeah, fuck you, the Israelis aren't fucking genocidal Nazis with a Qur'an.

No they're genocidal nazis with a torah and America as an ally.

Ushan · January 03, 2015, 06:17:58 AM

If people could forgive and forget easily, we wouldn't have these issues, but we don't, so we do. People will desire either vengeance or justice with varying degrees of legitimacy, and in a conflict as turbulent as the one between Israel and Palestine, that's not going to come via legal means without a sudden personality change in the people occupying the region.

I don't think I have right to say anything further on the issue due to my ignorance on the subject.

Mordo · January 03, 2015, 06:21:11 AM

They're both perhaps equally guilty of being warmongering assholes.

But in terms of who has been working more towards a two state solution, it is unquestionably Israel.

Mordo · January 03, 2015, 06:29:32 AM

Quote from: -Foxy- on January 03, 2015, 05:22:40 AM

Israel is a fascist state that doesn't deserve to exist.

In its Basic Laws, Israel defines itself as a Jewish and Democratic State.[27] Israel is a representative democracy with a parliamentary system, proportional representation and universal suffrage.[28][29] The Prime Minister serves as head of government and the Knesset serves as Israel's legislative body. Israel is a developed country and an OECD member,[30] with the 43rd-largest economy in the world by nominal gross domestic product as of 2012. The country has the highest standard of living in the Middle East and the fifth highest in Asia,[31] and has the fourteenth highest life expectancy in the world.[32]
:^]

I would also like to point out that nearly a quarter of Israel's population are Arab.

More Than Mortal · January 03, 2015, 08:06:11 AM

Quote from: -Foxy- on January 03, 2015, 06:05:15 AM

Quote from: Meta Cognition on January 03, 2015, 05:52:19 AM
Israel clearly has the moral superiority over Hamas, and I'll support them until that is no longer the case.

B-b-but m-my white ph-ph-phosphorus

Yeah, fuck you, the Israelis aren't fucking genocidal Nazis with a Qur'an.
No they're genocidal nazis with a torah and America as an ally.

Yeah that's why they extent suffrage to Arabs, allow Arabs in the Knesset and have a Palestinian Arab on the Supreme Court.

Statefarm · January 03, 2015, 09:38:29 AM

Israel obviously. It's all crap but you support the side that wouldn't blow you up.

Kinder Graham · January 03, 2015, 11:08:57 AM

Quote from: SecondClass on January 03, 2015, 04:11:28 AM

I'd support a white guy over a brown guy any day. Go Israel!

uhhhhh, you realize that not Israelis are white, correct?

DAS B00T x2 · January 03, 2015, 11:51:02 AM

I've come to the conclusion that if Israel was a rival Muslim faction instead of a Jewish state, I wouldn't support either, but, we can't be going around in support of radical Islamic terrorist organizations, so I say let Shimon Perez ride open hatch in an Merkava IV gunning down very Arab he sees until everything from the Sinai to the Golan Heights is Israeli land.

Alternative Facts · January 03, 2015, 11:55:27 AM

At this point, I don't give a fuck. Both sides are in the wrong (And to be honest, putting Israel in that spot, despite historical reasoning, was a shit idea), and the all need to pull the cactus out of their asses and act like men.

Lemy the Lizerd · January 03, 2015, 11:58:35 AM

I would support the establishment of a new, single state. It would be a representative democracy, with a section of the parliament's seats set aside for every ethnic group in the country. In this way, you can prevent tyranny of the majority.

More Than Mortal · January 03, 2015, 12:16:54 PM

Quote from: Lemy the Lizerd on January 03, 2015, 11:58:35 AM

I would support the establishment of a new, single state. It would be a representative democracy, with a section of the parliament's seats set aside for every ethnic group in the country. In this way, you can prevent tyranny of the majority.

Why not just make it a federal democracy?

Super Irish · January 03, 2015, 12:38:08 PM

I support the re/creation of Palestine, but not ran by those currently leading the reins (Hamas and Fatah(?)). Fuck those two.

Israel have enough support already, and we can all see what they've done with that... so yeah, fuck those guys also.

Mr. Psychologist · January 03, 2015, 01:12:24 PM

Quote from: Meta Cognition on January 03, 2015, 05:52:19 AM

Israel clearly has the moral superiority over Hamas, and I'll support them until that is no longer the case.

B-b-but m-my white ph-ph-phosphorus

Yeah, fuck you, the Israelis aren't fucking genocidal Nazis with a Qur'an.

>b-b-b-buts the white phosphorous
>equally silly emotional appeal argument about them being nazis

meta pls

More Than Mortal · January 03, 2015, 01:21:13 PM

Quote from: Mr Psychologist on January 03, 2015, 01:12:24 PM

>equally silly emotional appeal argument about them being nazis

Hamas explicitly endorsed The Protocols of the Elders of Zion which was fabricated in Tsarist Russia under Nicholas the II and later adopted by the Nazi Regime, and they've expressed explicitly genocidal intentions against the Jewish people.

Mr. Psychologist · January 03, 2015, 01:23:32 PM

Quote from: Meta Cognition on January 03, 2015, 01:21:13 PM

Quote from: Mr Psychologist on January 03, 2015, 01:12:24 PM
>equally silly emotional appeal argument about them being nazis
Hamas explicitly endorsed The Protocols of the Elders of Zion which was fabricated in Tsarist Russia under Nicholas the II and later adopted by the Nazi Regime, and they've expressed explicitly genocidal intentions against the Jewish people.

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Ahh fair enough, but that still doesn't excuse israel using WP in the same way that the allies shouldn't have firebombed dresden into oblivion.

SecondClass · January 03, 2015, 03:32:03 PM

Quote from: Haus Immer Gewinnt on January 03, 2015, 11:08:57 AM

Quote from: SecondClass on January 03, 2015, 04:11:28 AM
I'd support a white guy over a brown guy any day. Go Israel!
uhhhhh, you realize that not Israelis are white, correct?

They're the whites of the Middle East.